So, what is the deal with catholics and the pope? Why do they put such store in someone that is just a mere mortal like the rest of us?:confused:
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So, what is the deal with catholics and the pope? Why do they put such store in someone that is just a mere mortal like the rest of us?:confused:
Strange thing is I always heard things about the other popes but since this new pope has been *in office* since 2005 I haven't heard a thing about him at all.
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The pope has been around for a really long time, and he's more like the closest to god you can get type guy... Personally I am not even catholic, but I know a lot of people who are. The pope is a man who is supposed to live completley free of sin, which makes him more susceptible to god and his inerworkings. So that's as much as I know about the guy. Hes just the big Catholic Kahuna
When I was visiting Denver a few years ago, the pope came to town. It was like some huge rock star had arrived. The streets were filled with teenagers walking to the outdoor venue. Thousands of people came to Denver to see him. The next day, the place was a disaster!! Trash thrown all around. Reminded me of New Years Eve in Time Square. If these people were so anxious to party with the pope, looks like he might mention to the crowd to be sure to clean up after themselves or at least leave the city in as good a shape as they found it. It didn't seem very "christian like" to me.
That is not what Catholics believe. They believe the Pope is a mortal, sinful man (I. e. capable of sin) just like any other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrissyg89
Catholics believe that Jesus made his disciple Peter the first pope, the first head of the Church. The Catholic Church grew out of the early Christian church mentioned in the Book of Acts. For centuries, the Catholic Church was the only organized Christian church.Quote:
Originally Posted by cozyk
Here is some good reading/explanations on the subject:
Catholic Answers: Library: Church & Papacy
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: The Pope
Jesus alone shows us the way and by his humbleness he even washed the feet of his own disciples in John 13:5. Could you imagine the Pope doing something like this?
Throughout the time Jesus was on earth men, women and children were able to converse with him and approach him freely yet the Pope seems harder to approach than G W Bush!
Actually, it is a tradition that at the mass on the Thursday before Easter, the celebrating priest will wash the feet of twelve men.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moparbyfar
I just realised I forgot to add this link.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wangdoodle
VATICAN Washing of the feet embodies the love of Jesus that purifies man - Asia News
Not the Pope?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wangdoodle
:confused: Well you have to realize the Pope ain't the Easter bunny so he can't be EVERYWHERE!Quote:
Originally Posted by Moparbyfar
Yes, even the Pope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moparbyfar
Thanks for that link :) was very interesting. Perhaps Jesus was teaching his disciples a lesson and "setting the pattern" rather than establishing a ceremony. In any case, it's nice to see the Pope mingling in the crowds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wangdoodle
Jesus established His Church and within that Church established an office which would contain the man who would lead His Church after Jesus went to the Father:Quote:
Originally Posted by cozyk
John 21 17 He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved, because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. He said to him: Feed my sheep.
We believe this office has continued through the centuries and that Jesus Himself preserves His Vicar from error:
Matthew 16 18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
Sincerely,
De Maria
[QUOTE=De Maria]Jesus established His Church and within that Church established an office which would contain the man who would lead His Church after Jesus went to the Father:
John 21 17 He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved, because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. He said to him: Feed my sheep.
We believe this office has continued through the centuries and that Jesus Himself preserves His Vicar from error:
Matthew 16 18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
Call me dense but I don't get the connection between these verses, your statements, and my question. But that is not unusual. "Bible speak" has always left me saying, WHAT??
"What does that mean???" I guess that is why I don't often read the bible. It is too confusing so I get nothing out of it.
[QUOTE=cozyk]No, I won't call you dense. It took me years to understand. But God rewards those who seek Him in faith. And one day, I understood.Quote:
Originally Posted by De Maria
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but I don't get the connection between these verses, your statements, and my question. But that is not unusual. "Bible speak" has always left me saying, WHAT??
"What does that mean???" I guess that is why I don't often read the bible. It is too confusing so I get nothing out of it.
Its kind of a vicious circle. Its true about almost everything. If you don't care enough to study it, you will probably not find the answer to difficult math problems, legal problems and many other things.
I'll assume you really want an explanation and try to explain.
You asked:Quote:
but I don't get the connection between these verses, your statements, and my question.
So, what is the deal with catholics and the pope? Why do they put such store in someone that is just a mere mortal like the rest of us?
Connection between my statements and your questions:
Catholics believe that Jesus is God. We also believe that Jesus, made Peter the First Pope when He told Peter to "Feed My Sheep".
Connection between these verses and your questions:
Verse Matt 16:18 is Jesus renaming Simon. He gives Simon the name of "Peter" which means "Rock". Only one other person is called Rock in Scripture. God Himself. Therefore Jesus gives Simon a name that signifies God. This ties the New Testament back to when God told Moses:
Exodus 7 1 And the Lord said to Moses: Behold I have appointed thee the God of Pharao: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
In other words, Moses stood in the place of God. In the same way, Peter would stand in the place of God.
And just as Moses passed this office on to Joshua, Peter passed this office on to St. Linus.
Verse Matt 16:19 is Jesus telling Simon that his authority will extend to heaven itself.
Verse John 21:17 is Jesus telling Simon that it is now time to assume his office. Feed my Sheep.
And that is the big deal. In a nutshell, we believe that God established a leader within the Church to guide us until the consummation of the world. We believe that is recorded in the Traditions of the Church and in the Scriptures.
I hope that helps.
Sincerely,
De Maria
In reference to the feet washing, the stole worn by priest, hold several symbolic meanings, one of these meanings is to represent the towel used to wash the feet of others. This is to remind the prest daily of his position as a servant to the people.
Thank you Maria for explaining further. I believe I get it now.
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