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  • Feb 21, 2008, 09:46 AM
    tomder55
    If at first you don't succeed change the rules
    The Clintonistas are setting up a new web site to announce how they intend to change the Democrat nominating rules .
    Delegate Hub
    The Politico is also reporting that Evita's trying to get delegates who Obama legitimately secured in the primaries/caucus process to switch their commitment to her .
    Clinton targets pledged delegates - Roger Simon - Politico.com

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    What? Isn’t that impossible? A pledged delegate is pledged to a particular candidate and cannot switch, right?
    Wrong.
    Pledged delegates are not really pledged at all, not even on the first ballot. This has been an open secret in the party for years, but it has never really mattered because there has almost always been a clear victor by the time the convention convened.
    That's right Dems your votes DON'T Count !

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    “I swear it is not happening now, but as we get closer to the convention, if it is a stalemate, everybody will be going after everybody’s delegates,” a senior Clinton official told me Monday afternoon. “All the rules will be going out the window.”
    But not really... DNC rules and memos confirm that the Clinton pusch is consistent with party rules

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    Pledged delegates reflect the preferences of the voters, but are not actually legally bound to vote for the candidate they are pledged for.
    Democratic Party (United States) presidential primaries, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And the DNC confirmed this in a memo :

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    Delegates are NOT bound to vote for the candidate they are pledged to at the convention or on the first ballot. A delegate goes to the convention with a signed pledge of support for a particular presidential candidate. At the convention, while it is assumed that the delegate will cast their vote for the candidate they are publicly pledged to, it is not required
    Hotline On Call: The Rules

    So there you have it. It is within Evita's right to subvert the will of the voters on the most basic level so don't expect her to hang it up until her machine roughs up some of the Obama committed delegates first .

    Al Sharpton has already warned that there would be demonstrations if there was a perception that Obama was being denied :

    http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly/...m_hq_97565.htm

    For those of you who see simularities between now and 1968 . There you have it. Riots outside and floor fights dominated the Democrat convention then . Let's hope cooler heads prevail .
  • Feb 21, 2008, 10:27 AM
    xphelper
    “The [Obama] campaign is entirely about Obama and his ability to inspire. Rather than focusing on any specific issue or cause—other than an amorphous desire for change—the message is becoming dangerously self-referential. The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is.”


    Your above analogy of Obama's campaign is perfect! Hmmm... maybe others will finally get it too!
  • Feb 21, 2008, 02:30 PM
    speechlesstx
    Tom, this is getting silly - or should I say sillier. Between FloriMichi-gate, superdele-gate, thrills going up pundit's legs, fainting women, black apology tours and saving our souls, the Dems' are putting on quite a show. :D
  • Feb 22, 2008, 09:13 AM
    tomder55
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    thrills going up pundit's legs
    Maathews may have been read the riot act (by the Clintonoids) . The other day he grilled Kirk Watson asking him what Obama accomplished . They guy couldn't answer him.
    Even Democrat shill Paul Krugman wrote that Obamapalozza was becoming a cult of personality .

    Did you see the new Obama Tee Shirt . It says "Oh Che can you see? "

    Even Obama Supporters are getting nervous :
    When backing Barack feels like joining a cult - BostonHerald.com

    O'bambi lol
    I thought that Evita blew a big chance yesterday to reverse the tide. Now it is chicanery or lose for her .
  • Feb 22, 2008, 11:07 AM
    speechlesstx
    [QUOTE=tomder55]Maathews may have been read the riot act (by the Clintonoids) . The other day he grilled Kirk Watson asking him what Obama accomplished . They guy couldn't answer him.

    I heard the Watson interview, Matthews sure got tough all of a sudden didn't he? LOL, just like my boss's daughter who doesn't do anything until he shows up and then her drill sergeant persona emerges.

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    Did you see the new Obama Tee Shirt . It says "Oh Che can you see? "
    Now now, that was my altered lyrics for when the national anthem is played at an Obama rally :D

    The “O’Bambi” factor, lol.
    “I want to Barack your world!”
    “Ich bin ein Tijuana!!!”

    “He walks into a room and you want to follow him somewhere, anywhere,” says George Clooney.

    “I’ll do whatever he says to do,” says actress Halle Berry. “I’ll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear.”

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