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  • Jan 6, 2008, 09:20 AM
    George_1950
    Why didn't Hillary spring the trap when she had him
    This is a quote from Senator Obama, answering criticism from Hillary concerning leaving out citizens (comrads, sorry) in the health insurance plan: Obama said: "I have no problem, Hillary, with you pointing out areas where you think we have differences. But on health care, for example, the reason that I mandate for children is because children do not have a choice. Adults do, and it's my belief that they will choose to have health care if it is affordable. Now, that's a perfectly legitimate policy difference for us to have. That is different from saying that I will refuse to cover or leave out a bunch of individuals."

    In her response, Hillary should have looked into the camera, smiled, and said, 'Why Senator, you sound just like George Bush."

    A defining moment lost by Her Majesty.
  • Jan 6, 2008, 11:17 AM
    Dark_crow
    Probably because Obama would be the first to tell you that he is not against everything Republican and that is of course what makes him different from Clinton.
  • Jan 6, 2008, 11:53 AM
    George_1950
    The way for her to beat Obama is to make him into an inexperienced, closet Republican. You have to keep in mind that the candidates are preaching to their choir, and there is no room in the Democrat Party for anyone on the right.
  • Jan 6, 2008, 12:02 PM
    Dark_crow
    Yeah, his 'coalition of independents and republicans' might jump-up and bite him before it's over. But that ugly frozen smile of Clinton is doing its damage I believe. It's a wonder no one has told her how phony it looks.
  • Jan 7, 2008, 07:52 AM
    speechlesstx
    Why? Evita's temper got the best of her. You left out the part where Edwards jumped in after Obama and criticized her as the "status quo" several times instead of an "agent of change" like he and Obama. I guess she didn't see the irony in speaking of "35 years of change" after being called part of the status quo.

    Steve
  • Jan 7, 2008, 10:40 AM
    tomder55
    I wrote this over the weekend on my post mortum discussion

    Somewhere soon Hillary will use the line that Mondale used on Gary Hart ....."where's the beef?" Obama's whole campaign will derail at that point because he can't give a single answer where he represents any real change from the Democrat play book. I read his last book and besides complaining about partisanship there was nothing new. It could've been written by any of the other Democrat candidates.


    I heard her use it on the radio this morning.
  • Jan 7, 2008, 11:07 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55
    I wrote this over the weekend on my post mortum discussion

    Somewhere soon Hillary will use the line that Mondale used on Gary Hart ....."where's the beef?" Obama's whole campaign will derail at that point because he can't give a single answer where he represents any real change from the Democrat play book. I read his last book and besides complaining about partisanship there was nothing new. It could've been written by any of the other Democrat candidates.


    I heard her use it on the radio this morning.

    Tom, I did not realize you were such a prophet. I heard her use that on the way to work this morning. I think the façade Hillary donned for this campaign is wearing off, she's having a hard time keeping up appearances. That doesn't stop her from trying though, I just heard she was "in tears" this morning as as she mourned for America.

    Quote:

    "I have had so many opportunities from this country, I just don't want us to fall back," Clinton said, as her voice dissolved into a whisper.
    Puhleeeease...
  • Jan 7, 2008, 11:10 AM
    speechlesstx
    And if I hear that "Day One" bilge one more time...
  • Jan 7, 2008, 11:29 AM
    tomder55
    Day one will be reserved for returning the White House dinnerware .

    Wasn't trying to be a prophet but it was such a painfully obvious strategy that I'm surprised she did not spring it during one of the many debates . That comment killed the Hart campaign in it's tracks.
  • Jan 7, 2008, 11:46 AM
    tomder55
    With talk of mandates I'm not sure Mitt Romney wouldn't be more comfortable seated in the Democrat debates . The Campaign Spot on National Review Online

    That issue became a very interesting exchange between Romney and Thompson Saturday .
    Quote:

    Romney did not help himself at one point, giving his opponents fodder to criticize him over the health care plan he signed into law as governor; it required residents to get health insurance. "I like mandates. The mandates work," Romney said. Thompson did a double-take: "I beg your pardon? I didn't know you were going to admit that. You like mandates."
  • Jan 7, 2008, 11:52 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55
    With talk of mandates I'm not sure Mitt Romney wouldn't be more comfortable seated in the Democrat debates . The Campaign Spot on National Review Online

    That issue became a very interesting exchange between Romney and Thompson Saturday .

    Ouch. Not that I was interested in Romney, but ouch.
  • Jan 7, 2008, 05:32 PM
    Dana2007
    When Bill Clinton was running for president my mother said that he was going to win because he was handsome. This election I think Obama is more likely to win because he is attractive and likeable. What other information do most American's really have to go on other than what they see? How many voters actually believe what politicians say?
  • Jan 7, 2008, 06:50 PM
    George_1950
    Bill would never have won without Ross Perot, the loose-canon billionaire; I am still wondering what he received from his efforts to elect Clinton in 1992 and again in 1996. Clinton never won 50% of the popular vote.
  • Jan 7, 2008, 07:05 PM
    Dana2007
    Whose money is currently helping Obama?
  • Jan 7, 2008, 08:22 PM
    George_1950
    Before just recently, all that I have heard is small, internet contributions; but today I heard Susan Estrich say that the big Demorcrat money pipes were trying to get hooked into the Obama campaign. Perhaps that is why the Queen was having such a tough morning.
  • Jan 8, 2008, 03:17 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    whose money is currently helping Obama?
    That really wasn't the point. Perot it is clear took votes from GHW Bush . It is not likely that Bill Clinton would've won in 1992 without Perot's independent run. I am not sure if the same could be said in 1996 .

    Obama is beginning to draw the big Democrat money and looks to be an unstoppable train . But... let's not forget who he's running against . I expect that soon John Podesta will take over direct management of the Hillary campaign.
  • Jan 8, 2008, 10:30 AM
    Dana2007
    Has anyone wondered that maybe people everywhere are drawn to people who are more tender and peaceful like Oprah and Obama and Princess Diane?

    Maybe Hiliary Clinton's timing is off because people aren't interested in her type at this point in history? She comes across as not having a heart.

    Maybe money can also be used for some good some of the time?
  • Jan 8, 2008, 10:39 AM
    George_1950
    I am not willing to concede that Oprah, Obama, and Princess Diana are more tender, peaceful, and compassionate. As for money, the more the merrier.
  • Jan 8, 2008, 11:20 AM
    Dana2007
    That made me laugh. LOL
  • Jan 8, 2008, 11:39 AM
    tomder55
    I don't think this has much to do with Obama ;money ,looks ,impressions etc. Hillary went into a free fall she cannot recover from easily when she muffed and triangulated the question about driver's licenses for illegals in a debate .That reminded everyone the worse traits of the Clintoons .

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