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  • Dec 1, 2007, 08:32 PM
    notamaths_genius
    Derivative again
    Please help me with this one also...

    The perimeter of a window, made in the shape of a semicircle on a rectangle, is 4m. Find its dimensions if the area is to be a maximum?
  • Dec 1, 2007, 09:10 PM
    galactus
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    The perimeter is given.

    The circumference of a circle is given by . But you have a semi-circle. So,

    Let the perimeter of the rectangular region be 2r+2y.



    The area of the window is

    A is what you must minimize. Solve the perimeter equation for, say, r in terms of y and sub into the area equation. It will then be in terms of one variable. Differentiate, set to 0 and solve for y.
  • Dec 1, 2007, 10:07 PM
    notamaths_genius
    What would r in terms of y look like, I'm having trouble with that as I get a weird answer. I get y=(4-PIr)/2 - another set of r.

    Thanks
  • Dec 1, 2007, 10:15 PM
    terryg752
    You will better of using y in terms of r!

    Get the valye of y from the equation for P

    Substitute the same in Area.

    Then find first derivative of A

    Make it zero (for Max/Min) and get values of r.

    Select value of r which makes second derivative negative.
  • Dec 1, 2007, 10:38 PM
    notamaths_genius
    Sorry but I still can't get the right answer...
  • Dec 1, 2007, 10:50 PM
    terryg752
    pi r + 2 (r + y) = 4

    y = ( 4 - pi r)/2 - r

    Substitute this in A = pi r^2/2 + 2ry

    Then find first and second derivative of A with respect to r

    Show me your steps
  • Dec 1, 2007, 10:58 PM
    angel0772001
    :eek: uh I feel dumb??
  • Dec 1, 2007, 11:15 PM
    notamaths_genius
    Yeh terry that's what I got but when I sub it in, the problems begins.
  • Dec 2, 2007, 03:05 AM
    terryg752
    A = pi r^2/2 + 2ry

    A = pi r^2/2 + 2r [( 4 - pi r)/2 - r]

    = pi r^2/2 + r [ (4 - pi r) - 2r ]

    = pi r^2/2 - (pi +2) r^2 + 4r

    dA/dr = pi r - (pi + 2) 2r + 4

    dA^2/dr^2 = pi - (pi +2) 2 = -pi - 4 (NEGATIVE regardless)

    dA/dr = 0

    (pi +2) 2r = pi r + 4

    pi r + 4r = 4

    r = 4/(pi + 4)

    This gives value of r.

    You can find y now:

    y = ( 4 - pi r)/2 - r

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