My 17 year old son and my 16 year old nephew (with a brand new baby) committed a crime together and both were sentenced by different judges. They received 4 years adult intensive probation with 6 moths jail time. They have both been released from jail. However, they were given the same probation officer. My newphew got out of jail 2 months earlier before my son. So far, my nephew has received at least 15 violations since August to October. My son has had none since he was released in October. Since the two boys have the same PO, she is really nasty to my son. Every time my newphew violates she then comes down hard on my son. For instance, my nephew was attending a charter school during the morning session just prior to my son being released. He did not show up for school for a week (probation violation), then had to re-enroll. When my son was released he attended the afternoon session so they would not have any contact with each other. Well, the PO found out about my nephew, pulled him out of school and then made my son leave the afternoon session and begin the morning session. My son had nothing to do with the cousin not attending school. When my son coulnd't find a job after 30 days of being released the PO & SO started threatening to put him in a group home or lock him up for probation violation. My son has been out of jail for a little over 45 days and continues to be harassed by the PO because of actions of my newphew. Is this a conflict of interest with them both having the same PO?

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Originally Posted by ladybcsc

My 17 year old son and my 16 year old nephew (with a brand new baby) committed a crime together and both were sentenced by different judges. They received 4 years adult intensive probation with 6 moths jail time. They have both been released from jail. However, they were given the same probation officer. My newphew got out of jail 2 months earlier before my son. So far, my nephew has received at least 15 violations since August to October. My son has had none since he was released in October. Since the two boys have the same PO, she is really nasty to my son. Everytime my newphew violates she then comes down hard on my son. For instance, my nephew was attending a charter school during the morning session just prior to my son being released. He did not show up for school for a week (probation violation), then had to re-enroll. When my son was released he attended the afternoon session so they would not have any contact with each other. Well, the PO found out about my nephew, pulled him out of school and then made my son leave the afternoon session and begin the morning session. My son had nothing to do with the cousin not attending school. When my son coulnd't find a job after 30 days of being released the PO & SO started threatening to put him in a group home or lock him up for probation violation. My son has been out of jail for a little over 45 days and continues to be harrassed by the PO because of actions of my newphew. Is this a conflict of interest with them both having the same PO?

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You can request a different PO -

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Originally Posted by ladybcsc

Is this a conflict of interest with them both having the same PO?

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Hello lady:

Probably.

But, I don't know if any of 'em are real sweet. So, rather than trying to change them, I think he's better off learning how to deal with the one he's got. I say this, because if he complains about the one he's got, and they give him another one, he could be worse off. They DO talk amongst themselves. They DO think THEY'RE right. The DO support each other. They DO gang up. They're NOT nice people.

So, the first thing I would do, is request a copy of the written rules and procedures manual for the probation department, FROM his probation officer. That does two things. One, you'll find out exactly what your son AND the PO can and can't do. And, two, you'll put the PO on notice that you're not going to be trifled with.

If there's some overlapping behavior due to his cousin, the request for this document alone, might nip it in the bud. Let's hope so.

excon

Okay, thanks for the suggestions... now it gets a little deeper. My son, no violations since he has been home, October 16th. Struggled to find a job within the 30 days and forced to change school time sessions to early morning now develops friends and talks on the phone with them constently. Found employment at a call center that is familiar with adult probationers. Son was asked by a female student to take her to the mall, they have known each other on and off for 5 years. He stated to her that he couldn't because of his probation status and they convince him to do it anyway. He asked her to buy him something and give gas money because he knew he was in the wrong for taking her to the mall. Later in the evening he left her a voice message on her cell about I took you to the mall and you didn't get me anything and was verbal to her but in a kidding was as we know how these crazy kids of the 90's are. She took it the wrong way and shared it with the principle of the school the police was called but no charges were filed. My son was suspended and the PO was called. My son notified his PO and SO. On his 3rd day at work they PO brought about 5 sherrifs and 4 police officers and arrested him for violation of being suspended from school and going to the mall. Now he sits in Pima County Jail (Tucson, AZ) waiting for his Petition to Revoke Probation hearing on Monday at 2:30. For the last 2 1/2 weeks he has been harassed by the PO and now he gave her what she wanted. As he awaits the hearing was is he to expect.

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Originally Posted by ladybcsc

Okay, thanks for the suggestions... now it gets a little deeper. My son, no violations since he has been home, October 16th. Struggled to find a job within the 30 days and forced to change school time sessions to early morning now develops friends and talks on the phone with them constently. Found employment at a call center that is familiar with adult probationers. Son was asked by a female student to take her to the mall, they have known each other on and off for 5 years. He stated to her that he couldn't because of his probation status and they convince him to do it anyway. he asked her to buy him something and give gas money because he knew he was in the wrong for taking her to the mall. Later in the evening he left her a voice message on her cell about I took you to the mall and you didn't get me anything and was verbal to her but in a kidding was as we know how these crazy kids of the 90's are. She took it the wrong way and shared it with the principle of the school the police was called but no charges were filed. My son was suspended and the PO was called. My son notified his PO and SO. On his 3rd day at work they PO brought about 5 sherrifs and 4 police officers and arrested him for violation of being suspended from school and going to the mall. Now he sits in Pima County Jail (Tucson, AZ) waiting for his Petition to Revoke Probation hearing on Monday at 2:30. For the last 2 1/2 weeks he has been harrased by the PO and now he gave her what she wanted. As he awaits the hearing was is he to expect.

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I'm sorry but your son didn't give the PO "what she wanted." I don't think he broke the rules to teach his PO a lesson - he knew the rules and violated them. If you or he intend to go to Court and blame anyone but your son you are going to get exactly nowhere.

This must be very difficult for you but you have a problem on your hands and apparently his joking comments to a female were not a joke to her - which is usually the case with sexual harassment.

JudyKayTee,

I understand exactly what you are saying! What I meant by "he gave her exactly what she wanted" is that no matter how much the PO/SO harassed you, you know why you are on IPS. My son feel into his own trap once again and VIOLATED! Trying to fit back in, making new school friends. I told him in the beginning that females would be a problem for him at this point in time, 17yo. To first work on himself and FOCUS! I are not going to court to blame anyone but my son. He knew and he lost focus. Anytime I saw him setting back into his old ways I called him on it. Yes, he will and is going to take responsibility. I guess I just need assistance as a parent on when and when not to reinforce.

As far as the joking comments with his female friend. I too agree with you and talk to all the kids about appropriate communication with each other and they all seem to talk to each other in a way that I just don't get. I am a product of the 60's, 70's and we never talked to each other that way. The kids of the 90's are horrible to each other yet they still continue to socialize with each other and one day things get out of hand. Anyway, his "so called" friend is very sorry for participating in getting him into trouble (along with himself). But it is what it is. That's why at 43 I keep to myself... can't trust anyone regardless of your age. I always say, "I can do bad by myself" and I wish that my so would see that too.

Oh well, just wanted to get so advise on what to expect. Didn't mean to poor my personal matters into this.

Well, just wanted to know what to expect during the hearing.

Wait was he violated for the phone call or going to the mall? If it was the phone call he can fight it on the basis of that comment could be and evidently was simply missunderstood, however if he was violated because he went to the mall and wasn't supposed to he's in a tough spot. I don't know how your state works but where I live for something as simple as that since it is his first violation and there is no new charge going along with it (I am assuming there is no new charge) it will probably just be a slap on the wrist and maybe a few months more added to his probation.

No, for going to the mall, but I would assume that the phone call may come up in the hearing. We have been told that the PO that my son has is good for sending her caseload to prison. When he was sentenced he had NO TOLERANCE. So my assumption is, it doesn't look good for him.

Well the probation officer cannot send him to jail. He/She can file a PTR or petition to revoke but beyond that it is up to a judge to decide weather or not he deserves jail time. However like I said because it is only his first offense and there is no new charge it will likely be a slap on the wrist and possibly a little more probation time.

Im no expert only speaking from experience.

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Originally Posted by ladybcsc

We have been told that the PO that my son has is good for sending her caseload to prison.

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Hello again, lady:

It should be your position that ALL the PO's are want to be COPS. And, as such, they LOVE to bust people. What? You don't think they're there to HELP anybody, do you? Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

Thanks Alaskchick!

excon, No, I know the PO is not out to help him! I know that!

Anyway, was just seeking for some guidance. Thank you all for your comments. May get back at another time with the outcome.

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Originally Posted by ladybcsc

No, I know the PO is not out to help him! I know that!

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Hello again, lady:

So, send them a registered letter requesting the documents I mentioned above.

Then THEY'LL know that YOU know it too.

excon

When I find out the outcome of the hearing and if he is reinstated to continue probation, OH YES, without a doubt, I will do that.

Okay, today is the day and I am walking on eggshells! I received a lot of great advise but still nervous for my son. With the "NO TOLERANCE" whatever you all are saying my just be the opposite her in our area (Tucson, AZ). With him just barely being out on probation and now being suspended from school and the mall thing, I just don't know. He really is a good person, just gets himself caught with the classmates and all. So today, before I head off to work and then to court, one last peace of mind from anyone would be great!

Hello again, lady:

Relax...

excon

Its hard to relax when I was on him like his po/so. Always reminding him when I found him getting a little bit to comfortable. But I will try. It looks like this hearing will be about 3-5 minutes because there is about 10 others. What happens after this hearing? Will there be another one? You know, he finally got the call he wanted from Pizza Hut and the have good news! He also has an interview with UPS on Tuesday. He new job at the call center also said he can come back. Now what? The only thing is no school but he is prepared for the GED.