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National Identification Card

Why hasn't Bush proposed a NATIONAL IDENTFICATION CARD for all American citizens? We have all known since 911 that we are very vulnerable to the negative aspects of folks having entered our country illegally! This is a first step in securing America from being overrun by illegal aliens from Europe, Asia, south of the Rio Grande, from everywhere. We have no idea who is in America.

There is NO SECURITY without a National Identification Card... we have to start the process of weeding out terrorists... no security. Every municipality in America has police service at some level. That is where the National Identification Card can be processed, and in relatively quick time.

Any candidate running primarily on a National Security platform must propose a **National Identification Card**... our country cannot be successful going forward without FIRST identifying citizens in the face of an onslaught of poor people and terrorists, SECONDLY, securing our borders from the onslaught...

Why no NATIONAL IDENTIFICATION CARD??

They'll just be forged like drivers licenses, social security cards, and other forms of identification, and it would cost a lot of money to set up the program.

Just my opinion/thoughts though.

OK, I rate your answer as poor. :)

Some would say that accepting a National Identification Card is accepting the mark of the beast.

Just because I disagree with you?

No reason to be rude, thanks.

Besides, I think almost anything Bush proposes would be stupid, but just my opinion again. XD

Don't be offended by Choux. Long explanation but being offended is not worth it. Let it be.

I'm not really offended, like I said, my opinion, c'est la vie!

So, now that that bit of fluff is over, is there anyone who wants to answer my question??

He has it in the works and wants it mandatory by May 2008.
There are many people opposing it for different reasons. One being --Civil libertarians objected to the national database, saying a shared pool of information would be vulnerable to identity thieves.

Congress set to impose ID card rules - The Boston Globe

Excellent, more information on this please, Sapph??

all about the national I D card - Google Search

President Bush does advocate REAL ID . He signed it into law on May 11, 2005 .But enforcement has been delayed until Dec. 2009 due to states concerns. The 9/11 Commission recommended the change.

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Each card must include, at a minimum, the person's full legal name, signature, date of birth, sex, driver's license or identification card number. It also includes a photograph of the person's face and the address of principal residence. It is required to have physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes. These new security features include a hologram of a map of the entire North American Continent. North Carolina has already implemented this feature as of Dec. 2006 and all other states are expected to also implement the placement of this North American Continent on their drivers license.[8]

It will use common machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements

REAL ID Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Count Down REAL ID

When he abandoned his foolish attempt to give licenses to illegals ,NY Governor Eliot Stitzer said NY would comply with the provisions of the REAL ID Act.

Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff openly called on the States to adopt Federal driver's license requirements that standardize licenses to strengthen security.But some states have been reluctant to do so because of the expense. They want the Fed. Gvt. To foot the bill. If a state does not meet the law's standards, license-holders in that state will not be able to use their ID to board airplanes or enter federal buildings, among other things. Travelers will have to carry a second form of ID, like a passport.

NY REP Peter King, one of the architects of the REAL ID law is now considering introducing revisions to the law that would outlaw the practice of States issuing licenses to illegals. Evidently the law as it now stands permits it if the State complies with the rest of the standardized regulations. But there will be opposition in the Republican ranks over this because of federalism issues. Issuing licenses is a State function.

And that in turn is the flaw in the REAL ID act . It is not really a national ID .The need for a national ID card is certainly a debatable proposition . However , that genie was released from the bottle when the US government began issuing Social Security numbers.The fears of an Orwellian society should have been debated then. "Big Brother" already monitors all the major transactions of your life. All you need to do to make it a national card is to put a swab of DNA embedded in it ,or some other biometric identification ,and perhaps a photo ID . Viola ! There is your national ID card !

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Originally Posted by Choux

Why hasn't Bush proposed a NATIONAL IDENTFICATION CARD for all American citizens?? We have all known since 911 that we are very vulnerable to the negative aspects of folks having entered our country illegally! This is a first step in securing America from being overrun by illegal aliens from Europe, Asia, south of the Rio Grande, from everywhere. We have no idea who is in America.

There is NO SECURITY without a National Identification Card...we have to start out the process of weeding out terrorists...no security. Every municipality in America has police service at some level. That is where the National Identification Card can be processed, and in relatively quick time.

Any candidate running primarily on a National Security platform must propose a **National Identification Card**... our country cannot be successful going forward without FIRST identifying citizens in the face of an onslaught of poor people and terrorists, SECONDLY, securing our borders from the onslaught...

Why no NATIONAL IDENTIFICATION CARD???????

Your question raises another: Will the new government autocracy make America any more secure from terrorism, and if so just how much more so?

No DC it is all eye candy to make people 'feel' secure. They say that the TSA isn't doing their job and they are just in the airport to give people a false sense of security and that is all that any of these security things are going to do. There are a couple books out about the lie of airport security.
Look at those border guards that were 'doing thir job' they have to spend time in jail for actually enforcing security. If they wanted to secure the borders why are they building that freedom highway to go from Mexico to Canada?

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

No DC it is all eye candy to make people 'feel' secure. They say that the TSA isn't doing their job and they are just in the airport to give people a false sense of security and that is all that any of these security things are going to do. There are a couple books out about the lie of airport security.
Look at those border guards that were 'doing thir job' they have to spend time in jail for actually enforcing security. If they wanted to secure the borders why are they building that freedom highway to go from Mexico to Canada?

Sapphire, I agree, it’s a poorly veiled political move for votes. Would a national id card have stopped 9/11? Let’s keep the war on terrorism where it should be….where they live. A required national id card will open a slew of national laws and local laws. There already exists a voluntary national id called a passport; let’s leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

No DC it is all eye candy to make people 'feel' secure. They say that the TSA isn't doing their job and they are just in the airport to give people a false sense of security and that is all that any of these security things are going to do. There are a couple books out about the lie of airport security.
Look at those border guards that were 'doing thir job' they have to spend time in jail for actually enforcing security. If they wanted to secure the borders why are they building that freedom highway to go from Mexico to Canada?

Yes, when the "Montezuma Highway" opens, what will be the use of a national ID card anyway?

Simply for the control of buying and selling in a cashless society would be my guess. And to locate you from a satellite in case of an emergency. There are a lot more emergencies in this very dangerous time we live in. What with terroists attacking shopping malls with shoe bombs and all.
What a joke!
There are too many people and the Aristocracy is getting nervous about keeping them all under control and keeping things "bidness as usual." The only way they can keep contorol is by deciet. Force won't work.

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Originally Posted by Choux

Why hasn't Bush proposed a NATIONAL IDENTFICATION CARD for all American citizens?

You mean like the Germans and the Soviets used to do? I thought you were against Fascism.

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We have all known since 911 that we are very vulnerable to the negative aspects of folks having entered our country illegally! This is a first step in securing America from being overrun by illegal aliens from Europe, Asia, south of the Rio Grande, from everywhere. We have no idea who is in America.

I agree with you, we don't have any idea who is in this country illegally.

Now... how will a national identification card solve that problem?

The only thing that a national ID card would do is identify those who are here LEGALLY. Those who have a legal right to be here will be furnished with an ID card. It still won't tell us who is here illegally, under the radar. Those without a national ID card will still be here, and we still won't know who they are, where they are or what they are doing here. A national ID card doesn't solve anything.

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There is NO SECURITY without a National Identification Card... we have to start the process of weeding out terrorists... no security.

Again, how does the implementation of a national ID card solve that problem? A national ID card can only tell you who is here legally. It's can't tell you who is here ILLEGALLY.

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Every municipality in America has police service at some level. That is where the National Identification Card can be processed, and in relatively quick time.

What do you mean "processed"? Do you mean issued? Do you mean checked?

And if you check for an ID card and someone can't produce one, then what? Do we deport that person? That requires enforcement of the laws, something which is not happening. At the present time, a criminal or suspected criminal cannot be asked about his immigration status by the police, much less deported. So unless we start enforcing the laws, an ID card is a useless gesture.

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Any candidate running primarily on a National Security platform must propose a **National Identification Card**... our country cannot be successful going forward without FIRST identifying citizens in the face of an onslaught of poor people and terrorists, SECONDLY, securing our borders from the onslaught...

Why no NATIONAL IDENTIFICATION CARD??

Because it doesn't solve anything, as I have explained.

Much more important than a national ID card is enforcement of immigration law, enforcement of the border, and enforcement of labor laws. We already have ID cards. They are called drivers licenses (or non-drivers licenses issued by states to non-drivers as ID). State-issued ID cards are no different from any ID card that can be issued at the federal level. It's a picture ID issued by a government body, specifically a state government. Has that been successful in stopping illegal immigration?

And BTW, at the federal level we already have an ID card as well... it's called the Social Security Card, and every legal taxpayer has one. Has the existence of social security cards stopped illegal immigration?

No... the only answer is enforcement, not issuance of another ID card and creation of a new bureaucracy.

Elliot