Ask Me Help Desk - Republicans are the party of morality?

Oops another sex scandal:
The Raw Story | Wisconsin GOP chair faces charges in enticement of teenage boy

To add to the others:

Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.

Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was charged with molesting his 9-year old step-daughter after including her in an anti-Gore television commercial.

Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.

Republican County Councilman Keola Child's pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a “good military man” and “church goer,” was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

Republican director of the “Young Republican Federation” Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr. was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

That's some 'toe-tapping' fun they're having... all the while building themselves up as the harbingers of good morality.

Add this to that:

"Arnold Schwarzenegger has delivered young children into the hands of those who will introduce them to alternative sexual lifestyles," said Randy Thomasson, president of Campaign for Children and Families (CCF), which helped lead the statewide charge against these bills.

"This means children as young as five years old will be mentally molested in school classrooms. Shame on Schwarzenegger and the Democrat politicians for ensuring that every California school becomes a homosexual-bisexual-transsexual indoctrination center."

Governor Blasted for Signing 'Sexual Indoctrination' Bills -- 10/15/2007

Hahhaha, that's funny! Nice spin, condeming someone for something that may happen. :D

And since the Democrats don't claim to comport to any defined moral standard it is not as easy to pin the hypocrisy tail on the donkey :)

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Hahhaha, that's funny! Nice spin, condeming someone for something that may happen. :D

Yeah, some republicans get a few, the Democrats say why be selective when you can get them all:D

So you believe that all democrats are homosexual and pedophiles? I guess we understand you a little better now.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

So you believe that all democrats are homosexual and pedophiles? I guess we understand you a little better now.

Did you really think I was going to take your OP seriously…I mean isn’t it all a joke?:D

Yep. There are lots of Republicans who are being caught in scandals in which their moral statements and values do not match their actions. Absolutely true.

On the other hand, the reason that Dems don't get caught in such hypocrisy is because they have no morals or values in the first place.

I'd rather live by a set of impossibly high moral standards and occasionally fail to meet them than have no standards at all.

What are your standards, Needkarma?

Elliot

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

On the other hand, the reason that Dems don't get caught in such hypocricy is because they have no morals or values in the first place.

Police don't arrest and prosecute anyone with no morals? Even if they have committed a crime?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Police don't arrest and prosecute anyone with no morals? Even if they have committed a crime?

Sure they do. YOU and the Democrat party just don't hold them to any sort of standard. So they continue to hold office despite the fact that they have committed crimes.

Harry Reid is a thief who stole money in various real estate scandals in Nevada, and he evaded taxes as well on several of his real estate deals. But he's the Dem Senate Majority Leader.

Bill Jefferson was caught taking bribe money on tape and was found with the money in his freezer. He's still serving as congressman from LA.

Brock Adams, Democratic Senator from Washington State served out his term despite various sexual allegations against him.

Jim Bates, Democrat Congressman from California, was accused of sexual harassment in 1988, still won his election, and then ran for ANOTHER term after that, despite admitting to the scandal in a letter to the accusers.

Gus Savage, a Democratic Congressman from Illinois, was accused (and eventually found guilty of) trying to force himself on a female Peace Corp worker in Zaire. He was also an avid racist who regularly made anti-Jewish and anti-white statements. He still served out the remaining 3 years of his term despite the sex scandal.

Democrat Barney Frank still serves as the head of the House Financial Services Committee, despite the Steve Gobie escort service scandal... Gobie was convicted of running a "male escort" service out of Frank's home, but Frank claimed not to have known. Frank was "reprimanded" by the House Ethics Committee, but survived censure and dismissal, despite a finding by the committee that Frank knew what was going on the whole time.

Melvin Reynolds, Dem from Ill (who replaced Gus Savage) was accused of sexual assault and criminal sexual abuse of a minor (a 16 year old campaign volunteer). Despite the accusations, he ran for re-election in 1994 and WON. In October 1995, he was found guilty of 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornogaphy. He was subsequently convicted of 15 counts of bank fraud as well. Despite this Bill Clinton commutted his sentence as part of the "pardongate scandal".

Gary Condit, Democrat from CA, was linked to the disappearance of intern Chandra Levy. He still served out his term, maintained his security clearances as part of the House Intelligence committee, and had the chutzpah to run for reelection.

And of course, there's Bill Clinton.

THAT's the difference between how Republicans and Democrats deal with sexual scandals. Republicans resign or are forced out of office by their fellow Republicans because they have standards. Democrats retain their offices and run again because they have no standards.

So again, NeedKarma, I'd rather have high standards that I occasionally fail to meet and take the consequences of that than have NO standards whatsoever. How about you?

Elliot

Don't people vote for politicians? How did the general populace suddenly become all democrats yet there have been two term of republicans?

And yes I have high standards too my little friend, that's why I'm appalled at the hypocrisy. BTW why do you think repubs have high standards and democrats don't? It seems to be a common theme with you.

Hey have you watched Power of Nightmares yet? It might give you some insight.

Hello Need:

The Republicans are concerned with YOUR morals. The Democrats are concerned with OUR county's morals.

Let's see, on the scale of what's important in the world, do I think what you do in your bedroom is more important than mistakenly invading a country and killing around a half million people, all the while killing 4,000 of our own and injuring another 25,000?

Let's see if you can guess which one I favor.

excon

Ah I see. I was confused why so many had a wide stance and waved their hands under the stall.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

BTW why do you think repubs have high standards and democrats don't? It seems to be a common theme with you.

It seems fairly obvious to me.

When Dems are faced with the choice between supporting activities by Bush to stop terrorism or to stand against him, they choose to stand against him.

When Dems have to choose between supporting the actions of our troops and government and the rights of the captured terrorists, they choose the rights of captured terrorists.

When Dems have a choice between talking about abstinence and handing out condoms in schools, they choose condoms.

When Dems have to choose between the USA, the most free and most democratic society in history, and the Mullocracies and dictatorships throughout the world, they support the Chavezes, the Castros, the Che Guiverras and the Ahmadinejads of the world.

When Dems have the choice between rewarding good behavior or penalizing it, they choose to penalize it every time by calling for more taxes on the rich and on "big business".

When choosing between the rights of citiziens and legal immigrants and the rights of illegals, Dems choose illegal immigrants every time.

When Dems have to choose between bible-based morality and teachings and rejection of all biblical concepts, they choose to reject the Bible every time.

When media outlets have to choose between airing stories that are complimentary of our soldiers and those that are denigrating of them, they choose to denigrate them every time.

When the choice between respecting religion or denigrating it comes before Democrats, they choose to give money to the "artist" who puts a cross in a jar of urine.

The choices of the Democratic Party seem to speak for themselves. If you can explain the "high moral values" that are common to these decisions that are supported by the Democratic Party, then please do. But from my point of view, what I see is an appalling lack of standards and morals coming from the left. And I believe that it is deliberate.

Elliot

Wow Elliot, just wow.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Wow Elliot, just wow.

You can "wow" me all you want. But do you have a response? What is the moral basis for these decisions by the Democrat party? What form of moral standards are these decisions adhering to?

Yes, this is a theme with me. And it will continue to be a theme with me for the foreseeable future. I see absolutely no morality and no standards of decency from the Democratic party. That's not to say that there aren't good, decent, moral individuals who are Democrats out there. But as a PARTY, they lack any sort of moral fiber and their political stances and the people and issues they support make that very clear.

Elliot

Hello again, Elliot:

I understand your moral outrage. I'm just as outraged at your side.

But let me ask you this. Your side had its shot. You had a president and both houses of congress. IF your/Bush's policies are so good, how come they've been soundly rejected?

If you say they haven't, you're not paying attention. If you say the left did it, you're still not paying attention.

excon

Republican mouthpiece, Ann Coulter, said recently that Jews should become Christians... thusly, they will be "Perfected Jews"...

... never mind the sexual immorality that Republican politicians engage in, what about all the other immoral things that the Republican Noise and Propaganda Machine do such as the above remark about Jews. How a Jew can vote Republican after this insult, I'll never know. But then, I value integrity!!

[Eww, that's all I want to think about Republican hypocrisy today; it's a beautiful day!! ]

"they're outta favor no matter how much he yells."

"Out of favor" does not necessarily equate to "wrong," you know.

Moses wasn't well-liked by the Egyptian leadership or the army, but was he wrong?

Let's not confuse "unpopular" with "wrong."

I don't think either/any party has a lock on morality. After all, you know that adage about power...

The differences are, I think, 1) what each side claims to stand for and 2) how well their actions bear that out.

Many Republicans claim to stand for high moral values. Quite a few have failed miserably to live up to those in their own lives. Consequently, many are run out. Not by the Democrats, but by those in their own party who wish to distance themselves from such actions.

Many Democrats don't claim a d--n thing except hatred for Bush and all things conservative. To their credit, they live this out rather well. Too bad it's often so utterly pathetic to see, and all the more pathetic that more people DON'T see it.

To paraphrase what Elliot said, I'd much rather raise the bar high and fail on occasion than to not even set the bar and merely exist and react, bouncing through life like a pinball.