How does a 14 year old get his hands on a gun, where were the parents of this children after he was suspended?

WHy did the parents have the gun in a safe place away from the child?

Gun safe is very important and I use only safe storage of any weapons away from children, I personally blame the parents.:mad:


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I believe you are right... the parents and the boy are to blame. On another note do you think he couldn't get one illegally from another source? Or do you think if it wasn't easily accessible he wouldn't have carried this awful thing out?

The parents as well as the boy should be held responsible. All but one of my firearms are in a locked Granite Safe, not a "gun cabinet" but a safe that has a combination lock as well as a key.

If parents are held responsible for their minor childs' crime (gun crimes in particular), we may see a little more education.

My children are not allowed into a room when there is a gun out of the safe, or if the safe door is open. They know that, they respect that. They respect the dangers a firearm can cause.

As for bb guns, air guns and the like, I will not allow my children to have them or even play with them. I know, some of you are going WHAT :eek: ?

Here is the logic in that. Kids shoot at each other with bb guns, pellet guns, air guns, etc. They do not learn to respect a firearm when they get a hold of one. They don't see just how dangerous a .22 can be compared to a pellet gun.

Now, mind you, I used to be afraid of firearms as some of you other members are. Did not want them in my home, did not want to even look at one. Until I was in a hostage situation myself back in 2003. CNN.com - Transcripts

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Sure I had some firearms when I lived in Alaska, that was because we went camping in the wilderness and took them with us if we ever were confronted by a grizzly bear. But as far as a handgun, I was totally against it until I shared this experience with other classmates.

So, for those of you who are against having a concealed carry permit, don't be so quick to judge until you have been in a situation such as I have.

Isn't this the kid who shot himself after the shooting spree?

I saw it on the news a few minutes ago.


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In a hostage situation!You do have courage J in so many ways I never knew.
I am sure I would have been a basket after an incident like that.

We did have a girl or two who was a basket case after that. As a matter of fact, when we went on our mental health rotation to a state mental institution she could not even go in. You see, in that hospital you are behind locked doors, MANY locked doors. It affected her in ways I cannot comprehend.

That experience may, now that I look back, be why I am choosing the mental health field for my specialty.

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Originally Posted by J_9

Until I was in a hostage situation myself back in 2003.

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Tell the truth J, this was your jilted boyfriend looking to avenge his undying love for you but in the end he got what they all get... a shot in the a#*!

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Originally Posted by magprob

Tell the truth J, this was your jilted boyfriend looking to avenge his undying love for you but in the end he got what they all get...a shot in the a#*!

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Yeah, right. Actually Mag, I can deal with you most of the time, but going what I went through, what you said here was not even funny.

I know your dry sense of humor and 99.9% of the time I laugh at it, but this was just a little to low for you.

Might as well laugh as cry. But you are right, that was low. I'm sorry.

No apology really necessary, well yeah, maybe a little one.

Dang dude, you know I laugh more than I cry.

Now get back on the little bus with the rest of us.

I'm already on the little bus!

I still love you Mag. But maybe if I were allowed to give the dude a shot in the A$$ the situation may not have lasted as long as it did. A little Haldol could have calmed the situation quite quickly. But I was only taking my prerequisites then, algebra.

Now, here, put your helmet on before I hurt you.

I thought he lived and ended up in the nut house?

Nope not this guy. He held us hostage for over 9 hours, then he shot 2 shots in the air, that's when the swat team got him from a window of the Glover Building (where I attend classes now).

He was very apologetic as he kept us hostage, he was very kind and well spoken. Even ordered us pizzas and cokes. But was disturbed nonetheless. You could tell it just from his eyes, from his mannerisms, from his speech. It was really eerie. I never again want to experience something like that.

Oh my! You were one of the hostages then. I didn't realize. That is scary. Well, I'm glad thing worked out relatively well for most involved. He was a sick man I'm sure. Again though, he didn't get his way and went off. Happening a lot lately isn't it?

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Oh my! You were one of the hostages then.

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Yes Mag, that's why I said you gave a low blow earlier.

LOL, Didn't you read my post? Yes, I was there, in that classroom in the Eller Building on the 2nd floor. That building is now only administration.

It's happening a lot, but what do we do? Now you see why I am proactive in protecting myself. Had I been given the opportunity to protect myself 4 years ago, this would have ended in less than 9 hours. But... how does anyone know that I am the sane one? We are caught in a Catch 22 situation here. Stricter gun laws restrict those of us who are sane and who are scared of the Kilpatricks of the world (the guy in my situation), yet do nothing for the thugs who get their weapons illegally.

Stricter gun laws will NOT stop the thugs from getting their firearms from black market dealers, but WILL make it harder for me to protect myself in the future.

After that experience I will never go unarmed again. I saw too many people hurt that day, physically and/or mentally.

J_9 clearly and as expected you are a responsibly gun owner who educates her family perfectly on the dangers of guns. I'm sure there are many many others like you. Unfortunately for you guys in the US , people like you aren't the problem. Its those who don't take the responsibility of a gun as seriously as you do. Yet under your law these people can get a gun as easily as you can. Now why is that? Does that not seem absurd to you? It does to me.

Obviously given the Constitution in the US and how vehemently most of you guys oppose the abolishment of the 'right to bear arms' amendment there will never be a day when citizens being able to carry a gun are outlawed. But none of you even seem to acknowledge that the system you have at present isn't working. It can't be. There are countless examples of a system that is failing. Sure there are no doubt positives but I see the negatives of guns to far outweigh these positives.

But that's me and 'im from a different culture.

I'm sorry to hear of your hostage situation J_9. How horrible. I'm glad you were released from this hostage situation relatively unscathed and unharmed. Do you think that if you had a gun at that time you would have used it? Do you think that perhaps if you had used it people would not have been released unharmed. Could it have resulted in death to either you or your class mates. My thought would be that the answer to that is yes. But id obviously prefer to hear you answer?

Ands just as you have become proactive in protecting yourself and choose to carry a gun, many in the world who go through a situation like you did choose to become active in the anti gun movement. In Australia we had the Port Arthur massacre which instigated a massive overhaul of our gun laws. Many survivors and relatives of the victims were active campaigners against guns. They seen it as the weapon that killed their loved one. Not as a weapon they could use yo protect themselves from it happening again.

Ok... or we could get on the fact that my friend has a gun and she let me borrow it... "for hunting" and then what... You know. Really, I can go both ways cause there are great points on both sides. I just know we can all trust the fact that with or with out a gun... if someone wants to carry through... they WILL.. Yes, sometimes it is only done when the opportunity or when the tool is available... But all I really need to do is go down town and ask around... AND they didn't buy it legally so where do we go from there? How can you stop that?

I don't know how you stop it start but my choice wouldn't be give them to everyone. But that's just me.

As you say there is arguments both ways and for me I think the difference I our cultures is the big ticket issue. I, and most I know just can't grasp the US's stance and attitudes to guns like I'm sure you can't imagine living in a country where you aren't allowed to walk down the street with a gun in your purse!

I can imagine it... not quite sure I agree with it...
I have to say this just one more time...
"I value our differences"
I also like to feel safe if I can. And knowing that anyone could get a farkin gun ilegally, makes me feel like carrying one legally to protect myself. That is for sure!