Of a Clinton/Obama ticket is for the Democratic party?

I think it's interesting, that even 20 years ago the idea of a woman and a black man running on the same ticket and as front-runners was nearly out of the question. What do you think has changed in the last 20 years to allow this as a very real possibility?

I think Hillary would be better off having someone like Bill Richardson on the ticket. Obama and Hillary are both from Chi town .The ticket should be spit regionally .

There's also the point that Obama is very far to the left of the position that Hillary is trying to straddle. Hillary's strength is that she is able to court the moderates, which is what could win her the general election. She would lose that ability with Obama as a running-mate, because he's too far to the left. She'd no longer be able to claim that she's a moderate if she's choosing a far-left running mate.

Tom's right, she'd be better off with Bill Richardson or someone like him as a running-mate.

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There's also the point that Obama is very far to the left of the position that Hillary is trying to straddle. Hillary's strength is that she is able to court the moderates, which is what could win her the general election. She would lose that ability with Obama as a running-mate, because he's too far to the left. She'd no longer be able to claim that she's a moderate if she's choosing a far-left running mate.

Tom's right, she'd be better off with Bill Richardson or someone like him as a running-mate.

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I would actually agree with you here. They are hurting themselves trying to show how different they are from each other. However, I would disagree with Tom about the region issue of the two candidates. I believe that Obama, if he can motivate the black voters, will certainly have a strong showing in the South.

Hello John:

I'm not thrilled with her, but I think Hillary is going to be the next president. Especially with bathroomgate hanging around. Hee, hee. Yes, I'm gleeful when hypocrites get their comeuppance.

But, back to Hillary. She's basically a moderate Republican. I don't know if it'll hurt her to have Obama on the ticket. He brings a lot of votes - perhaps MORE than the conservative ones she'd lose if she chose him. I think it would.

What could bring us to a time when this could happen? I think it's a little late, frankly. The civil rights act and the women's movement happened damn near 50 years ago. It's about time we see the effect.

excon

PS> Ron Paul for pres.

Possibly true. However, in the 20th Century, it was rare for a ticket without a North/South dual representation to win the Presidency. It might happen, but its very rare.

A better argument is that Clinton has the Arkansas connection too, so she has a Southern connection there along with the NY northerner connection. In that sense, she may break the rules of Presidential-ticket-geography. That's where I think Tom may be wrong.

Either way, I don't see a Clinton/Obama ticket in the future.

Elliot

I'm all for a Clinton-Obama ticket. There are all sorts of pluses, not the least is the white woman-black man combo--both strong, smart, and able to balance what the other lacks. Clinton's husband is articulate and charismatic, as is Obama's wife. Both of those spouses would be wonderful additions to the WH, especially in contrast to the Stepford wife who's there now. It would be fun to watch Obama's two cute little girls grow up in the WH and perhaps see more of Chelsea as she fine-tunes a career and marriage.

Clinton and Obama have worked well together in the past. I believe they could work well together in the future.

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I'm all for a Clinton-Obama ticket. There are all sorts of pluses, not the least is the white woman-black man combo--both strong, smart, and able to balance what the other lacks. Clinton's husband is articulate and charismatic, as is Obama's wife. Both of those spouses would be wonderful additions to the WH, especially in contrast to the Stepford wife who's there now. It would be fun to watch Obama's two cute little girls grow up in the WH and perhaps see more of Chelsea as she fine-tunes a career and marriage.

Clinton and Obama have worked well together in the past. I believe they could work well together in the future.

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Bill may indeed be a rather important factor when it comes to attracting voters. Despite the personal issues with his presidency, he was an immensely popular president.

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Either way, I don't see a Clinton/Obama ticket in the future.

Elliot

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Why is that, specifically?

I must say, at one point during the last election, I thought Dean had a real chance. Oh, how wrong I was!

Just as a side note... Norman Hsu is on the lam again. The Clintoons really know how to pick them .

I mentioned Richardson for many more reasons than the regional argument which in itself has a lot of merit. He is also Hispanic and both parties are competing to recruit them into their constituency. Also from my own perspective Richardson is by far the most qualified Democrat in the field. No one comes even close[ expect perhaps Joe Biden and I think I made it clear what I think of Senators].

Richardson is a former Congressman ;a former diplomat ,including the United States Ambassador to the United Nations ,a former head of the Dept of Energy and a Governor.

Despite the current rhetoric he uses now to appeal to the Moveon Democrats his record is one of a moderate . I do not agree with many of his positions but I'd sleep better at night if he was President over Evita .

Hillary will get the nomination however and she will select a VP from a swing State . My money is on Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland or former Va. Governor Mark Warner . Also Evan Bayh of Indiana has an outside chance as well as Conn. Senator Chris Dodd.

If Obama somehow wins the nomination I would expect he would try to bring John Edwards onto the ticket.

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Why is that, specifically?

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Because Hillary and Obama are oil and water, politically speaking. Hillary is trying to pose as a moderate, and Obama is a left-winger. Their positions are incompatible. Hillary can't triangulate to the center if she has a left-leaning running-mate, and Obama can't lean left if he is seen as "selling out" to the Clintonoid moderates.

Furthermore, both of them have big egos, and both of them want to be the center of attention. Obama won't play second fiddle to Hillary, and Hillary won't tolerate a running-mate who might take some of her limelight.

Elliot

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Because Hillary and Obama are oil and water, politically speaking. Hillary is trying to pose as a moderate, and Obama is a left-winger. Their positions are incompatible. Hillary can't triangulate to the center if she has a left-leaning running-mate, and Obama can't lean left if he is seen as "selling out" to the Clintonoid moderates.

Furthermore, both of them have big egos, and both of them want to be the center of attention. Obama won't play second fiddle to Hillary, and Hillary won't tolerate a running-mate who might take some of her limelight.

Elliot

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Yes, but I think, as we've seen in the past, whenever running-mates are finally chosen both candidates tend to modify their previous positions. So, I'm not so sure it cannot happen. I also feel that, as a whole, both moderate and left-wing democrats generally like Obama. I believe that I read somewhere that Fidel Castro, for whatever his opinion is worth, thought their ticket would be unstoppable.

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I believe that I read somewhere that Fidel Castro, for whatever his opinion is worth, thought their ticket would be unstoppable.

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Bwahahahah. Sorry, I couldn't keep the laughter in.

Yeah, like Castro knows a lot about running a fair, open democratic election.

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Bwahahahah. Sorry, I couldn't keep the laughter in.

Yeah, like Castro knows a lot about running a fair, open democratic election.

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Yes, that was more of an interesting tidbit that I stuck in there.

I don't see a Clinton-Obama ticket. My antenae have picked up on what's blowing in the wind the last couple of days.

I'm thinking that since Obama is getting enough financial support and has a new team of foreign policy experts on board combined with his charisma... I'm seeing an Obama for President and an experienced white man running for Vice President... Joe Biden,? Obama for President is going to gain huge momentum in the coming year despite the Republican Noise and Slime Machine attacks.

Republicans continue to be soiled by Bush and the antics of other Republicans. The mood is that people are sick of hypocritical politicians. Another plus for a charismatic visionary.

Hillary will put up a valliant fight for the nomination. She has a good chance, too. It would be Hillary and a moderate white man if she gets the nomination.

I'm for Joe Biden to date...

I think very viable:

Clinton has the machine, drive, and her husband's expertise as to how to get and maintain power. She is a realist and adaptable.

Obama, has the name recognition, has proven he can raise money, and has charisma that Clinton lacks. His lack of experience is a minus, but others may see that as a plus because he is not perceived as a Washington insider.





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Wondergirl, not only do I know about Hillary, I have actually spoken to people who worked for her and her husband. Put simply, she's got a Napoleon complex. She cusses like a sailor. She berates anyone lower than her, especially her secret service staff (who may one day have to make the choice of whether to take a bullet for her). She is not a nice person, and she has an ego the size of Texas. She's also a phoney... just check out her put-on southern accent. She and Barack Obama are oil and water. They will never be able to work together for more than five minutes without their egos getting in the way of each other. Ain't going to happen.

I think that a Rudy/Huckabee ticket might be interesting, going up against Hillary. Rudy would take NY away from Hillary, and Huckabee would possibly (probably) take Arkansas away from her. From a purely geographic perspective, it would be interesting to see. And I've been impressed with what Huckabee has to say on the issues.

Elliot

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I think that a Rudy/Huckabee ticket might be interesting, going up against Hillary. Rudy would take NY away from Hillary, and Huckabee would possibly (probably) take Arkansas away from her. From a purely geographic perspective, it would be interesting to see. And I've been impressed with what Huckabee has to say on the issues.

Elliot

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I think you may be right, with regard to Rudy probably carrying NY, but I think that's where it would stop. I honestly don't believe he has much of a following outside his constituency. He does have name recognition, I'll give you that, but I don't believe he can pose a real threat to the Democrats, if it comes down to that.

In all honesty though, I must admit that my knowledge of many of the Republican candidates is rather weak, since I wouldn't vote for one in a million years. However, that is only due to wedge issues.

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agrees: Elliot-I'm on my out the door for work. Just wanted to mention that I saw in the news yesterday that Fred Thompson made his bid for the White House official.

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While interesting, I don't think he will have any real influence during the elections.

All I know is that the Clinton culture is beginning to become manifest again and she has not even secured the nomination yet.

3 examples.

The Democrat candidates would love to take her on but they are afraid of the 1000 lb. gorilla in the room . They know in the unlikely event that they win the nomination that they will need the Clinton machine to win the general election . So they dare not take swipes at her. Instead both Obama and Edwards have sent their wives out to do the dirty work.

We have already posted on the illegal fundraising being done for Hillary and it's possible link to foreign money. Norman Hsu tried to become a fugitive but he became ill in flight on the California Zephyr and was taken to a hospital in Colorado . He skipped town even though that meant forfeiture of a $2million bond that someone posted on his behalf.

Kathleen Willey, the woman who says Bill Clinton groped her in the Oval Office, claims she her house was burglarized over the weekend .Her purse was stolen as well as a manuscript for her upcoming book “Target: Caught in the Crosshairs of Bill and Hillary Clinton”, which promises revelations that could damage Evita's campaign.