The Other War: Iraq Vets Bear Witness

More propaganda from phrasemongers and windbags, who distort facts, pass off friends as enemies, and enemies as friends are at it again. What Chris Hedges leaves out is that there is another kind of war, a just war….'Revolution'…. As is the case in Iraq, the overthrow of a vicious National Socialism, as opposed to a Social Democracy .

Why does Chris Hedges miss this point, I don't know, but that nevertheless is a different kind of war that he fails to mention. Whoever wants to seize and retain state power must have a strong army, and that is what America is doing, helping to train and build a Liberation Army.

Here is some information from Wikipedia about Mr. Hedges' latest book published this year; some people here might be interested in reading it:::

"Hedges' most recent book, American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America, was published in January 2007. In this book, Hedges argues that the Christian fundamentalist movement emerging today in the United States resembles the early fascist movements in Italy and Germany at the beginning of the last century, and therefore constitutes a gathering threat to American democracy."


ANYWAY, aren't **all** Islamic Countries maintained by strong military and/or internal police?? :)

Democracies are different; they maintain power by the consent of the governed.

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Originally Posted by Choux

Here is some information from Wikipedia about Mr. Hedges' latest book published this year; some people here might be interested in reading it:::

"Hedges' most recent book, American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America, was published in January 2007. In this book, Hedges argues that the Christian fundamentalist movement emerging today in the United States resembles the early fascist movements in Italy and Germany at the beginning of the last century, and therefore constitutes a gathering threat to American democracy."


ANYWAY, aren't **all** Islamic Countries maintained by strong military and/or internal police??? :)

Democracies are different; they maintain power by the consent of the governed.

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¶These phrasemongers and windbags like Chris Hedges always forgot something. In respect to the situation in Germany and Italy there is no comparison. Both had extreme unemployment and failed economies….. no comparison.

So, you read his book, Mr Crow, and are able to give a critique? :) Please go ahead!

By the way, unemployment only entered the picture in the 1920... :)

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Originally Posted by Choux

So, you read his book, Mr Crow, and are able to give a critique?? :) Please go ahead!

By the way, unemployment only entered the picture in the 1920....:)

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So what’s that supposed to mean, 1920 was two years before Mussolini came to power.

I'm sorry Crow .I can't read 10 pages of pablum right now. I assume that he somewhere in the article does not recognize that liberating people from a jack-booted tyrant who's victims were thrown into wood chippers alive is a good thing. No real surprise there . Had the tyrant been Pinochet however I bet he would've been the forst to call for regime change.

I loved it when he was booed off the stage while giving an anti-American diatribe at the Rockford College graduation. Even the NY Slimes got tired of his over the top flaming rhetoric . But that doesn't stop the Nation from publishing his rants evidently .

Don't bother with his book . It is a diatribe where he lumps all the religious conservatives as "dominionists" ( my guess is that is a term he made up)and describes that as openly hostile to democratic pluralism, and champions of totalitarian policies. He says the Republicans have been hijacked by dominionism .This type of nonsense was also espoused by Kevin Phillips in his book 'American Theology'.

In the book Hedges bleats that the Christian right "should no longer be tolerated," because it "would destroy the tolerance that makes an open society possible." Does he not see the contradiction in his own words ?

The irony is that if you substituted the word nationalist with internationalists then the platform of the left mirrors a lot of the post WWII rhetoric of the National Socialists .

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I'm sorry Crow .I can't read 10 pages of pablum right now. I assume that he somewhere in the article does not recognize that liberating people from a jack-booted tyrant who's victims were thrown into wood chippers alive is a good thing. No real suprise there . Had the tyrant been Pinochet however I bet he would've been the forst to call for regime change.

I loved it when he was booed off the stage while giving an anti-American diatribe at the Rockford College graduation. Even the NY Slimes got tired of his over the top flaming rhetoric . But that doesn't stop the Nation from publishing his rants evidently .

Don't bother with his book . It is a diatribe where he lumps all the religious conservatives as "dominionists" ( my guess is that is a term he made up)and describes that as openly hostile to democratic pluralism, and champions of totalitarian policies. He says the Republicans have been hijacked by dominionism .This type of nonsense was also espoused by Kevin Phillips in his book 'American Theology'.

In the book Hedges bleats that the Christian right "should no longer be tolerated," because it "would destroy the tolerance that makes an open society possible." Does he not see the contradiction in his own words ?

The irony is that if you substituted the word nationalist with internationalists then the platform of the left mirrors alot of the post WWII rhetoric of the National Socialists .

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I have no intension of reading his book…the article speaks volumes.

[QUOTE=Choux]Here is some information from Wikipedia about Mr. Hedges' latest book published this year; some people here might be interested in reading it:::

"Hedges' most recent book, American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America, was published in January 2007. In this book, Hedges argues that the Christian fundamentalist movement emerging today in the United States

******resembles the early fascist movements in Italy and Germany at the beginning of the last century******

, and therefore constitutes a gathering threat to American democracy."


Note between the askerisks::: Mr Crow, please read more carefully!

This is not like you. :)

Cordially,
Choux

[QUOTE=Choux]

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Originally Posted by Choux

Here is some information from Wikipedia about Mr. Hedges' latest book published this year; some people here might be interested in reading it:::

"Hedges' most recent book, American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America, was published in January 2007. In this book, Hedges argues that the Christian fundamentalist movement emerging today in the United States

******resembles the early fascist movements in Italy and Germany at the beginning of the last century******

, and therefore constitutes a gathering threat to American democracy."


Note between the askerisks::: Mr Crow, please read more carefully!

This is not like you. :)

Cordially,
Choux

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1919: German monarchy folds, the Weimar Republic is born. The Weimar constitution is a standard “social democrat"-style arrangement: workers are granted several “social safety net” programs, while the capitalists (and army) retain with full powers, which they more or less “promise” to never abuse. The first Weimar cabinet is headed by the SPD, and their Chancellor Philipp Scheidemann, in coalition with two capitalist parties, the Catholic Center Party and the German Democratic Party. (NOTE: In the 1919 Reichstag elections, 45 percent of voters support parties which label themselves Marxist.)

1922: German government is crippled by, and unable to meet, war reparations specified by the Treaty of Versailles.
1923 January: French government sends troops to occupy the Ruhr. Inflation soars, the working class launches massive strikes, the middle class has savings wiped out. It's an extreme crisis and the government is helpless. KPD membership swells and new ultra-right movements (like the Nazis) grow. But KPD leadership, guided by the Comintern, misses the opportunity. By 1924, events stabilize (with some American aid).
No comparison.. Wikipedia, as I've told you before is a good source for beginners.
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I don't think you read the book... :)

... prior to WWI. Try and read the quote again, better yet, read the book so you know what the man is talking about and the examples he cited. :D

The War Chris Hedges forgot…

I couldn't rate you again, so I'll just post…smartass :)

More research coming up

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I don't think you read the book....:)

.....prior to WWI. Try and read the quote again, better yet, read the book so you know what the man is talking about and the examples he cited. :D

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1919: German monarchy folds...

Monarcy... read my lips

... On February 23, 1919, Mussolini ushered in Fascism a decade before Hitler.

That's what I mean by phrasemongers and windbags, who distort facts, :D

A review of The World As It Is pretty much sums it up:
"I, for one, am not fooled (much less enticed) by the anti-brand, anti-elitist stance of someone who is the product of Loomis-Chaffee, Colgate, and Harvard Divinity. Hedges is just as much of a fence-sitting coward as the liberal fops he so deplores. For all his radical posturing and superficially Marxist leanings, he is nothing more than an uptight, whiny, bourgeois idealist who still believes that love, peace, and egalitarianism will reign in the new world once modern industrial society collapses (which, inevitably, it will). Until then, he's not willing to do anything about it except write books, travel around the country, crank out more children and lecture/denounce us sots for not being willing and able to dedicate and/or lay down our lives in the name of some higher cause. I think it would have been better for him to remain a war reporter."
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