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OK, all you Obama fans.
When he creates another monster with Nationalized health care, and 40 million people can suddenly go to the doctor, that aren't going to the doctor now, where are all these doctors going to instantly appear from?
Kind of makes you scratch your head, huh?
It won't work that way. They do go now. They get medical care from real doctors at many hospital ERs.
There are too few doctors in the area I live in now and I actually mean a 200 mile radius. It takes 2 months to see a specialist and it doesn't matter how serious your problem might be. The palace guards won't let you get near the King.
If you have a problem, you had better have a family gp that will be able to get you in with the specialist, in a reasonable time.
Going to the emergency room, is NOT the same as going to the doctor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Ever been to the county emergency room, unless you are missing an arm or leg, with fountains of blood, you'll be there for hours before you are seen by anyone.
Do you have health insurance?Quote:
Originally Posted by smearcase
Medical schools. But it sure won't be the cause of "no child left behind" (no thank you to "Dubya"). It's times like these that we need to make education more affordable. But of course when just having a job is the of the utmost importance, eating and keeping a roof over head, the middle and lower classes families are bent over the proverbial barrel.
Medical school?Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
OK.
40 million people get insurance overnight, and medical school takes, what, 6 years or more?
I still see a problem here.
Read what I wrote.Quote:
Originally Posted by progunr
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Originally Posted by progunr
Longer than that in some cases, eight and ten years.
No problem. Think of it like reducing our dependency on oil. A fair number of our medical staffing already comes out of other countries, the Phils and India. We'll temporarily grant more visas and at the same time give our bright children an upcoming opportunity to advance into the medical field.Quote:
Originally Posted by progunr
I like your positive outlook.Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
Lucky for me, I don't get sick.
I feel sorry for those who do, that will spend hours just waiting for a parking spot at the doctors office, after waiting weeks or months just for an appointment.
It doesn't work that way. Our library homeless guy is a testament to how medical care works now. Did you read how Michelle Obama and others improved the medical situation on Chicago's South Side?Quote:
Originally Posted by progunr
One has to just remember it will just be a waiting list to get in, depending on your need.
I have excellent insurance, was triaged in the ER to the 3rd level, and waited in line behind uninsured people who were bleeding badly. So?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
What does your "homeless library guy" have to do with 40 million new patients and the same amount of doctors?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Prognur,
As a nurse I hear your plight. Many hospitals in my area are closing their labor and delivery departments. Why? Because of the high cost of litigation.
Our hospital has recently deported 2 wonderful ER doctors because their education visas had expired.
We have 2 OBGYNs in my county, we also have so called socialized (sp) medicine in my stated. Does it work? No, not in the way it was intended.
He will be one of those 40 million. It works now because of our tax dollars. It can be done better.Quote:
Originally Posted by progunr
But how?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I trust he will use his own good brain plus those that surround him in order to figure out the best way to increase the number of medical personnel. No, it won't happen overnight, but he will start the ball rolling. Those 40 million are already eligible for medical care through the ER, and many of them take advantage of it. For instance, there are so many foreign-born and -trained doctors and nurses working at Chicago area nursing homes and hospitals, carrying bedpans and transporting patients. Certainly we can find better ways to use their skills, and open our shores to even more.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_9
J9 ;excellent point about liability . Will universal care make doctors exempt from liability ? Will patients no longer have the right to sue over malpractice ? Will there be caps on rewards ? I have contended that lawyers were the biggest problem in the national health care debate.
Already many specialists have left the medical profession due to the cost of their liability insurance(especially in obstetrics).
Also ;can specialists expect to get the same incomes they get in a universal system ? I doubt it. It is less likely that a doctor will take the time ,and expend the costs for the advanced training.
Bobby is right ;we are like a 3rd world nation now importing doctors to administer to our populace . Already under our system the comparative cost of education can bring better returns in other professions.How could that possibly improve in a system that most likely will cap doctors wages ?
With the socialized medicine my state has, there are caps already to what the insurance company pays out for particular procedures and illnesses. This is why many doctors don't participate. The doctors that do are, well, less than excellent from what I have, and do experience.
Our country is sue happy. I see it on a daily basis. The lady who lost her child inutero is now suing me, the hospital, and the doctor. You see, we literally PRACTICE medicine. Every patient is on a case-by-case basis, the treatment differs for every patient. Did the fetus die because of something I did? No, it was due to other factors that I cannot mention here due to HIPAA laws, but nevertheless, I am being sued and I wasn't even on staff the day she delivered.
Doctors are getting out because of high malpractice rates, the high cost of litigation, and the sue happy people of our country.
Rather than working on socialized medicine and making health care more affordable to the uninsured public, we need to work on the litigation system and put caps on the suits.
I personally can think of 4 current lawsuits in my L&D department. All 4 were not due to any negligence of the doctors or nurses. They were all what is called unforseeable occurrences that were out of the control of the medical staff. Yet, these people are allowed to sue for millions of dollars. These cases should never have made it to court.
One that I can speak of had to do with a prolapsed cord. We cannot predict a prolapsed cord, so we treat appropriately, emergency C-Section. This baby is okay now and 6 years old... mom is okay and had 3 more babies since then. Yet she is suing the doctor for 10 million dollars.
Again, rather than changing the medical system, we need to focus on the legal system first so that doctors and nurses are no longer afraid of being sued for something they are required to do to treat patients. This is one reason many people are not going into the medical fields these days.
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