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Well it was inevitable I guess, after exhausting all legal remedies a Kentucky clerk was found in contempt of a judges order to issue marriage licenses to her constituents. She chose to issue none to gay or straights in her county.
She was found in contempt and was jailed!
Kentucky clerk jailed over refusal to issue marriage licenses to gay couples | US news | The Guardian
Should she have just stepped aside? Or does she have a right to step on the rights of her own constituents?
Her "right" to impose her religion everywhere she goes? She doesn't have that right. Too many people think freedom of religion is above all other freedoms. Freedoms have to be weighed against each other all the time. As a citizen of the US, she has to abide by the SCOTUS ruling. She is free to petition the court, resign, go to another state, but she isn't free to flaunt the law without being charged with a crime.
When you look at her history it's a little difficult to believe the sincerity of her actions. Married several times, at least two kids out of wedlock, and who knows what else. I am not judging just stating facts as I've heard them. What's next a prime time interview? Book deal? Monday Night Movie? She was disobedient to an order from the court and it will play on from here. It's just too bad she gets notoriety from it.
I was not aware of that. To me, that is hypocrisy to a high degree. I assumed this was a very pious person, strictly following the teachings of her religion. Not that it should have mattered, her responsibility to her position overshadows her religious convictions in any case. While I do admire her for going to jail rather then succumb, that is where she belongs, in jail for flaunting the law. She exhausted all her legal avenues, so she had three choices. Give the licenses, quit her job or martyr herself by going to jail. She apparently chose door # 3Quote:
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What if her motivations are not pure? Think Justin Bieber crying during his song at the music awards. Genuine? I highly doubt it. Think Subway Jared setting up a children's charity to fight childhood obesity. We know the ending of that movie.Quote:
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I just hope when her 15 seconds of fame are over, she goes away and isn't one of these people that try to keep themselves famous long after we stopped caring.
The children out of wedlock and the first three marriages were before she became a Christian. She says God has forgiven her, and all is right in HER world.
Well good then she's free to judge and place judgment on us all.
It is Kentucky after all.
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The Bible does mention something about judging, but she'd rather cherry-pick verses that support her personal beliefs. And there are verses about obeying government authorities (Heb. 13:17, and others)....Quote:
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Just for the record, not agreeing with something does not automatically equate to passing judgment. Since the law stands, she should have sought employment elsewhere, if possible, since she did not feel that she could fulfill the requirements/expectations of her occupation.Quote:
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It seems the pandering is exclusive to some religions and the others must be pushed aside to make way.
Muslims seem to get many things their way based on their religion.
Muslim drivers at Cleveland airport refuse to drive cabs with Gay Games advertising | Fox News
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/07/wo...2566.html?_r=0
Even given mandatory time off to pray. Seems like they have better lawyers at this time.
Good point.
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Agree but the statements she has made, such as this is a heaven or hell issue and others, is passing judgment where she sees fit.
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Most religions have a damnation clause as far as Im aware of. Their has always been ying / yang type of struggle going on. Also the promise of enlightenment plays heavy into the equation.
Allright, maybe being "born again" takes away part of the hypocrisy. It also makes her stance a bit more understandable (from her POV) because I've found that most "born agains" I've encountered are extremely adamant about imposing their beliefs on others.
But the facts here are very simple. She was elected to do a job. Even if the job requirements changed after being elected, she swore to uphold the law when she took office. If she could not do so, then she should have resigned.
My point is when someone like her talks about gays and sinning in the same breath, they talk like gays are damned worse that murderers and what Subway Jared is accused of. Sinning is sinning and it will always be sinning. The straight person's perspective is interesting because they have no clue what they are talking about when it comes to gay people or the struggle of being gay especially when you are a child. Just think about the 13 year old that doesn't understand why he or she feels the way they do but is watching this self appointed judge and jury mouth off when she really has no idea what she is talking about.
*... climbing off my soap box now...
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Ahhh, that is a different situation then. I hadn't seen what she has said. Unfortunately, people often do forget/ignore, or never learn in the first place, teachings of Christianity in regard to passing judgment. Sadly, it can often put Christians in a bad light when they forget that all fall short for various reasons, and then some people will paint all Christians with the same brush because of it.Quote:
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She does know what she is talking about. Maybe you cant see it from her perspective. From her side it is wrong. She is standing by that belief. Even the catholic church says it is wrong. It is all about perspective. From your side it is a painful journey. Either way it is a belief system that you both are pushing with.
If her job requires she act against her conscience she should resign, this is the Christian position
cdad, I don't care whether she is required to give licenses to same sex couples to marry, or Nazis to march, or licenses to exotic animals as pets. The issue here is that the law requires her to issue licenses for whatever. If she refuses to do her job, then she should resign or be sanctioned. End of story.
The constitution provides for separation of church and state. That means that government can't make laws that prevent someone from worshipping the way they want. But it also means that churches can't interfere with the operation of the government. And that's what this woman tried to do. And she lost, so now she has to accept the consequences of that loss. Either follow the law, quit or go to jail.
It doesn't matter that her refusal was to grant licenses to same sex marriages. What matters only is that she refused to obey the law of the land.
I agree with what your saying. The only problem is that there are ways to deal with this problem internally. The position she holds is an elected one. So impeachment could happen to force her to step aside. Also the state legislature can remove her from office.Quote:
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Why hasnt there been any form of remedy ? It is her right as citizen to take the stand that she has but she also must face all the consequences that go with that position.
Why hasnt anyone acted on it already ?
I love the irony of her party affiliation.
Rowan County Kentucky Clerk
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