What is the relationship of Baptism and salvation?
What is the relationship of Baptism and salvation?
The Bible says repent and be baptized
Baptism is a spiritual cleansing and a proclamation to express your commitment,
I believe baptism comes after you repent because you can't 'cleanse' what is still in its sin,
God (in the form of His Holy Spirit) comes to us where we are and begins to work faith in us. Baptism is one of the means of grace, one of the avenues, used.
Does anybody that doesn't have faith feel a need to get baptized?
I would say it would be a requirement because I don't see any non believers running out to get baptized,
You can baptize an infant but they should get baptized as an adult as the Bible says Repent and be baptized
Infants are baptized; surly they aren't cognizant of an unmerited grace. Or do you feel that children can't be baptized?
JoeT
Yeah you do have a point there but they do infant baptism as a tradition of the church. I am saying a grown person not having any faith or repentance wanting to get baptized as an adult,
I grew up Lutheran and know that many Lutheran churches are more like social clubs,
We've had threads like this before, and this one won't go anywhere either. There's the infant-baptism crowd and, opposing them, the adults-only crowd. Never the twain shall meet.
I see nothing wrong with infant baptism, In Acts they told a whole house to be baptized, There could have been kids in that household,
I just believe that once you are grown you should reaffirm your faith by baptism,
Your parents baptize you when you are an infant that is THEIR faith or their motives not yours, You should reaffirm it for your own faith when you are grown,
That's the reason churches have Confirmation, to reaffirm Baptism.
In the Lutheran churches I've belonged to (none of which were "social clubs"), if an adult has never been baptized, he/she studies for x number of weeks (depends on Bible and church doctrine knowledge), then is baptized and confirmed. Confirmation is a lead-in to the taking of Holy Communion.
Those not in full communion with the Catholic Church can be reconciled, even those who once denied the Church. Those would not be possible if faith were required. Catholics hold that baptism is the remission of all sin, original and actual, as well as, the temporal punishment of sin. The second effect of baptism is to infuse a sanctifying grace “perfecting the essence of the soul… it is a certain participated likeness of the Divine Nature.”
The effects of baptism remains for life renewed when the soul cooperates with the graces conferred. These graces remain whether Confirmation is made. However, Confirmation, confers a chrism of salvation. Confirmation perfects the Christian.
JoeT
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