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It has been revealed that Donald Trump has been abusive to world leaders and that this threatens america's alliances.
How is it that america can tolerate a person so divisive as President? better question, how is it that americans can elect a person so divisive as President? Don't they know how this paints them to the world, or don't they care?
Most of us can't tolerate him, but there's little that can be done. Without the support of the Republican party, he'd be long gone, impeached. Another impeachment as he gets wilder and more lawless is probably out of the question. The November election is the final solution for this evil corrupt man.
How did Americans elect him? An excellent question. He got in by the skin of his teeth as he won a few swing states by the barest of margins. In my opinion, which I can't prove, he was elected with the help of the Russians who managed to tip those states in his favor. This is in addition to the abortion issue which is a single issue for most evangelicals. Oddly, abortion means nothing to Trump. It is simply a means to an end for him.
We are acutely aware how Trump makes this once great country appear to the world. It will be a long time before the world forgets that this nation once elected a proto-Fascist to the highest office.
Yes that electoral system produces bizarre results, but noone in the republican party opposes him, it is like he has them mesmerised, and his reactions in a crisis, just incrediableQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
This isn't the first time the religious nuts, and racists got together to get a president to further their white pride and god agenda Clete, and probably won't be the last. Nor is America the first country to give rise to a rather despicable morally corrupt head of state. We have many examples now through the world, and throughout history. You better hope we can flush the toilets here soon, and clean up the mess we made.
You need to drain the swamp too
JAW DROPPING BOMBSHELL!!! Trump trash talks every other world leader except Putin who he has a love affair with in a steam bath . Those bombshells are flying the last 2 weeks . For the left it is desperation time . They normally don't pull out all stops this early in the campaign.
What it does is make sure the views of all the country is accounted for ;not just the views of the urban peopleQuote:
Yes that electoral system produces bizarre results,
Forget the views, the vote is what's counted, and long lines and waits in urban areas is not an equalizer.
When it was designed the country was much smallerQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
We've grown but the electoral college still decides who the leader is, and who get's to be a swamp critter.
The original point of the electoral college was to ensure that a despot would not be elected by the "mob" - as democracy was thought of in those days. It would be composed of the finest non-Federal upstanding citizens who would always do right by the nation.
Over time, things changed - attitudes, politics, rules for electors, etc. Ironically, in 2016 the college did exactly what it was designed NOT to do - it facilitated the election of a wannabee despot.
The rural/urban argument no longer applies, if it ever actually did. One man, one vote should be the future. Disproportionate representation already exists in the senate to satisfy the rural argument.
Most of the world views an alliance with the U.S. as an agreement for us to spend our money (that we don't have) on whatever they want done so they can spend their money on something other than their own defense. That's why we spend more on defense than the next seven countries combined and why that needs to stop starting today.
That's how it works with NATO. Europe is supposedly at risk from someone, so we spend money to help defend Europe. The European nations, unsurprisingly, spend significantly less of their GDP on defense than we do, and yet the idea is to defend, not the U.S., but the European countries. That also needs to stop beginning today. You want to stay free? Then get off your backside and take care of yourself.
You are the ones who decided to "defend" Europe when actually you were making sure no power could arise there to rival you. The Soviets were a threat but only so far as taking over Europe. You have other alliesQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Even if I agreed with you, it would make no difference. We have practically become the defenders of the world. I am suggesting we stop, or at least insist that the world take on something at least approaching an equal share of the burden. Use Israel as a good example.
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Israel is not an example of anything but colonialism, reestablishing Israel by taking over territory occupied by other peoples is colonialism. By this I am not suggesting the jewish people are not entitled to a homeland, but this was just trying to smooth over the lack of care in previous decades, and so the world, the UN, has an obligation to ensure the existence of Israel, but nations decide what they will contribute and the US has assumed the obligation.
Yes the US hegemony needs to be ended, the US is the reason there is an arms race, they have perpetuated this to their advantage
Whether your assessment is true or not, it would be absolute fairness for countries like yours to have to begin to genuinely pony up and do their part.
@ Clete, you may have a better point if you didn't blame the US for an arms race that happens because a bunch of people have arms. NOBODY wants to be outgunned.
As to US being the cops on the beat, well duh! Without a cop, we'd be at war! Every neighborhood needs a GOOD cop on the beat, but he can't do it alone. I won't get into the weeds on the money and such, I have no data or the compromises cut or accommodations made that offset the strict economy of arrangements and treaties, but public bluster and buffoonery to look tough isn't a very good way to endear cooperation of partners is it?
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
All you are doing is displaying your ignorance
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-...ategy/12408232
Poor excuse the US outguns everybody then says you have to match our expenditure. And who would they buy arms from? the US of course. It is just a way of furthering your economic hegemonyQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
More specifically the dufus makes that assertion on many fronts not just the military. Presidents before him have also recognized the inequity in military spending and even trade deficits, without the public shaming and bluster like a rich landlord squeezing his tenants. There is a better way than he has shown to keep our allies upgraded and ready for whatever this world can go through, but good orderly direction is not something the dufus on behalf of our national interests conduct effectively. He would rather just cancel everything that's been worked for and start all over except for the pushback against his tactics which nations are well within their own interests to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Indeed the US is trying to get rid of this fool for it's own sake.
You are not trying hard enough. Do or not do, but try notQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
It's a lawful established process Clete. Like you have in your land. The Russian election is a different matter since Vlad is running for two terms instead of one at a time.
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