"I WON THE ELECTION"!
Does anyone here still think Trump is in touch with reality?
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"I WON THE ELECTION"!
Does anyone here still think Trump is in touch with reality?
I doubt even Tom would agree with that...
Can just imagine him throwing a toddler tantrum and kicking and screaming on the floor of the Oval Office.
His court challenges are being defeated one by one ;and Chief Justice Roberts has signaled clear enough that he has no appetite for SCOTUS getting involved in the electoral process.
If Sydney Powell has some proof of systemic fraud because of software algorisms either programmed ,or hacked into the Dominion systems she should present the case to the public now . That appears to be the last card Trump has to play.
Al Gore tied up the election results for 37 days . That is the benchmarkQuote:
Does anyone here still think Trump is in touch with reality?
Trump may have reason to feel cheated as rhetorical evidence suggests there were some irregularities but the margin is too large
While it is indeed his right to challenge the result, the toxic rhetoric and falsehoods being employed really doesn't do him any favours.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I'm not sure if the level of incitement is actionable, but I'm sure there will be some consequences.
Anybody expecting the dufus to stop fighting because he lost is out of touch with reality. He will continue to sling the red meat just as he always has. Unfortunately that also means a steady diet of his antics for quite some time, and the right wing noise machine has NEVER gone away in the first place.
Curley 72 million people voted for him . If you ask them I believe they would say he should continue the challenges until all the legal options are exhausted . "the toxic rhetoric and falsehoods" like the 4 years of enduring phony charges of stealing the election in 2016 ?
While 72 million voted for him, far more didn't.
As you well know it's possible to win the electron yet lose the popular vote, however in this case he didn't win either.
Trump has a knack of using social media to massively amplify any message he wants, such is the nature of the platform(s).
3 or 4 million more . I would not call that 'far more'. That's ok ;keep dismissing almost half the nation's concerns . Trump may have lost but his coat tails were huuge . Of the seven seats that flipped from the GOP to the Dems in 2018, only three now clearly remain in Democratic control. That includes pick ups in the bluest of blue states . California lost Congressional seats to the GOP and NYC did too. This despite Quid's victory and outspending the GOP by a wide margin. So despite the fact that the Dems down ticket ambitions were smashed . We still hear derision about almost a half of the country that the Dems consider toothless rube hayseed yahoos . Quid calls for unity while his coalition seeks blood.Quote:
While 72 million voted for him, far more didn't.
As for social media ; Twitter and Facebook did all they could to suppress the free exchange of ideas . They are now suffering as new forums are being populated with people tired of being censored . btw thanks you for this forum.
what it means is Biden got 5% more votes and a very high percentage of registered voters votedQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
<br><br>what it means is Biden got 5% more votes and a very high percentage of registered voters voted<br>Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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Try almost 6 million more which probably means former repubs switched sides for Biden but stayed loyal locally. That's okay a win is a win and the dufus is defeated. If we turn Georgia blue we win some more and count the turtle face one as a casualty with the dufus. That's not a bad election cycle I would say.
Getting rid of the dufus was a big freaking deal and if repubs are still quaking in their boots from him then that's their problem. You can visit him in jail all you want and send him cash on the books for all I care.
Wonder if he has the pardon for himself ready?
yeah they keep on finding more votes in the trunks of cars .
Sydney Powell is a systemic fraud.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
That election was NOT decided by the voters. It was decided by the nutty Scalia who refused to count the ballots cast by voters in Florida. He decided to put his ideologue crony Bush in the White House. Later counting showed Gore the definitive winner. So much for the voting public in the eyes of the Republican cultists.Quote:
Al Gore tied up the election results for 37 days . That is the benchmark
That case was different in two respects. One is that he was a liberal dem and thus was treated as believable by the adoring press, and two was that he could demonstrate no voter fraud at all.Quote:
Al Gore tied up the election results for 37 days . That is the benchmark
She is a brilliant lawyer .Quote:
Sydney Powell is a systemic fraud.
not quite . I have said the case should not have gone to any court especially SCOTUS . States decide elections .Quote:
That election was NOT decided by the voters. It was decided by the nutty Scalia who refused to count the ballots cast by voters in Florida.
It was the Florida courts that intervened in the election even after a machine recount was done and the legal procedure of the Florida Sec State certified the election.
In this case the Florida Supreme Court ;a court composed entirely of Democrat judges ruled that they thought it was fine for Gore to cherry pick 4 of the biggest Democrat counties in Florida and request a manual recount that was most likely to deliver Gore the election even if he in fact had fewer votes than Bush So Bush took it to SCOTUS .The court decided that yes it was ridiculous to count only select counties and ordered a recount of the entire state. (Bush v. the Palm County Canvassing Board) .
Yes SCOTUS eventually decided it was time to end the charade of recount after recount in it's Bush v Gore ruling . The vote was 7-2 that the Florida Supreme Court's order violated the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th . It was not only Scalia making that ruling . Another 5-4 decision (yes all 9 justices voted ) ruled that the state court could not continue to order recounts at this late date. Electors had to be chosen by a specific date ;as they also have to be chosen in this election. These Trump cases cannot go on forever either .
As it turned out ;an independent recount by a news consortium found even more votes for Bush than the final state tally and if the recount had gone on until the Florida Supreme Court's deadline they would not have found enough votes for Gore to make a difference.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...-recount_04-03
The state legislatures makes the voting rules and they have to be clear BEFORE an election. The problem with 2000 and with many states elections this time is that too many of them had governors and courts changing the rules established before ,during ,and even after the votes .
This election doesn't appear to be headed to any court. Not from lack of effort but lack of evidence.
Pennsylvania will end up in court.
Maybe for the same Equal Protection causes . Alito knew that and that is why he ordered that ballots that came in late be segregated . However if PA flips it would still be a Quid -270 Trump -252 Quid victory . Trump needs other states besides PA .Quote:
Pennsylvania will end up in court.
Oh there is plenty of evidence . But as I said ;the courts are not really inclined to make decisions on elections unless there is undeniable evidence of illegalities . Most of the evidence is anecdotal however . Does Democrats putting cardboard up on windows during the count prove that they tampered ? It is very suspicious . Does them stopping the count in the dead of night while car loads of Quid ballots are delivered to precincts prove fraud ? It is very suspicious ,but is it enough when Democrat dominated lower courts are going to dismiss any accusation ? Roberts and his poodle Kavanaugh do not want SCOTUS to decide this election. Roberts in more concerned about SCOTUS ' reputation and his standing in the DC cocktail circuit than the integrity of a process that in reality the court should not be involved in deciding .Quote:
Not from lack of effort but lack of evidence.
If true, then that will prove to be a real disappointment, and not so much just on the issue of this election, but in looking down the road. It would seem to be impossible to put people on the Court that genuinely have a passion for constitutional rule.Quote:
Roberts in more concerned about SCOTUS ' reputation and his standing in the DC cocktail circuit than the integrity of a process that in reality the court should not be involved in deciding .
yeah he exposed himself with the Obamacare ruling .
Here is what was reported on CBS 'Face the Nation '
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Some of the conservatives, such as Justice Clarence Thomas, deliberately avoid news articles on the Court when issues are pending (and avoid some publications altogether, such as The New York Times). They’ve explained that they don’t want to be influenced by outside opinion or feel pressure from outlets that are perceived as liberal.
But Roberts pays attention to media coverage. As Chief Justice, he is keenly aware of his leadership role on the Court, and he also is sensitive to how the Court is perceived by the public.
There were countless news articles in May warning of damage to the Court – and to Roberts’ reputation – if the Court were to strike down the mandate. Leading politicians, including the President himself, had expressed confidence the mandate would be upheld.
Some even suggested that if Roberts struck down the mandate, it would prove he had been deceitful during his confirmation hearings, when he explained a philosophy of judicial restraint.
It was around this time that it also became clear to the conservative justices that Roberts was, as one put it, “wobbly,” the sources said.
It is not known why Roberts changed his view on the mandate and decided to uphold the law. At least one conservative justice tried to get him to explain it, but was unsatisfied with the response, according to a source with knowledge of the conversation.
Biden is suggesting a national lockdown of some sort lasting 4 to 6 weeks. This will result in the economic destruction of many small businesses and financial disaster for many families. Biden will no doubt suggest we use more federal non-money to send people checks. In other words, we will spend even more money that we do not have. Why would we want to do that when, just as Trump had said, vaccines are in the pipeline and scheduled to arrive at the end of the year? Hopefully, thoughtful heads will prevail. I just hope that when we get to the spring and the corner has been turned on Covid, people will remember that it was DJT who got the job done on that front.
just keep you eyes on the sorry a$$ state I live in. Lock down is going to commence and Sandinista Bill can't wait to send the school kids home . Just in time for the holidays .
175,000 new infections nation wide and rising deaths YESTERDAY leaves little choices for governors and locals since the dufus has NO response at all does he? Ignoring the virus is such a great strategy for the economy that Americans gave the dufus the boot.
I'm surprised that there hasn't been a formal lock down, but I guess your "freedom" is more important than saving lives...Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Yes, it is an economic nightmare, however as vaccines are still several months away, some pain would actually safeguard lives.
The US is already on the verge of a police state, so why not do something worthwhile and demonstrate just how "Great" a country you really are, rather than the example on how NOT to deal with such a medical emergency. How many more people need to die before you all suck it up and actually take some measure of personal responsibility... Three, four, five, Hundred Thousand !!!!!
The other countries in the same boat as the US wouldn't never be considered equals, or even close in development, yet here we are...
The best example of how to deal with this mess comes from Oceania, where they have kicked the viruses backside with serious draconian measures..
A number of European countries have been doing what you want us to do for months now. The result? The same spike in cases we are experiencing. But as long as we can continue to spend this non-money, then we'll do so. If we have to raise Tal's taxes to pay for all of this, he'll be complaining to the high heavens. His great concern for the health of his fellow Americans would evaporate like the summer dew. Not one person on this board has called for drastic tax increases ON THEM to pay for these measures. It's easy to be noble when it costs you nothing.
Not without the projected damage to the economy but most infections came from travellers and they have suffered the most draconian lockdown measures to the stem the spread, limits on international arrivals, all interstate and overseas arrivals quarantine for 14 days in hotels. State borders closed, any business premise or school closed for cleaning if a case detected, contract tracing and quarantine, limits on numbers in business premises, houses, family visits, churches, events, social distancing enforced, travel boundries, large fines for failing to meet requirements but the US doesn't have the guts to implement such measures and yes, the impact on small business, in fact any business is severeQuote:
Originally Posted by Curlyben
"Australia's economy had its worst quarter on record. Now it's in a historic recession."
Working like a charm. Everyone wants draconian measures as long as it's not your home being lost, your job going away, or your business being destroyed. It's real easy when it's the other guy going under.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/econo...hnk/index.html
Not sure where you are getting that from. Germany, The U.K., Italy, Spain, and France are all undergoing spikes in new cases.Quote:
The other countries in the same boat as the US wouldn't never be considered equals, or even close in development, yet here we are...
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Covid+...00DB3BCD6D9B7F
Left unabated it will be your turn soon enough to feel the ravages of sickness and death brought by the virus and the economic disaster that follows.
Good luck with that.
Have you always been such a drama queen? Good grief. Even the thought of your taxes going up causes this reaction. Just think what would happen if your taxes DID actually go up.Quote:
Left unabated it will be your turn soon enough to feel the ravages of sickness and death brought by the virus and the economic disaster that follows.
Good luck with that.
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020...o1600-v209.png
No drama here!
Scroll over interactive map
Same things happening in Europe. They're feeling the ravages of sickness and death brought by the virus and the economic disaster that follows. If only we had some violin music to go with that.
Honestly, I don't think it comes to that, but there is that possibility. But this endless criticism of Trump, when your dem govs and mayors have failed so spectacularly, gets old. It's a tough pandemic and we've done fairly well in trying to balance the interests of health with the need to avoid a devastating depression.
I was thinking in terms of volumes of infection, so that would be India, Brazil, Mexico.....Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
While many other countries saw distinct spikes of infection, America hasn't really relented since March, and doesn't look like reducing anytime soon...
Now whether that is down to central mismanagement or the fragmented, lone states, nature of the health response will only become clear after the fact.
I think you are right, in our case the response was a concerted national response with state and federal leaders coming together to plan and execute a coordinated response, and while there has been some exercise of states freedom such as border closures but there was no partisan blocking of the response but a national will to get on top of it from the top down. In other words CV19 was not a political football used as an excuse for political expediencyQuote:
Originally Posted by Curlyben
Maybe but the recession is over and recovery is steaming ahead, the worst is behind us, while your head in the sand attitudes mean the worst is ahead of youQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
with a President Quid you are probably right .Quote:
the worst is ahead of you
Nothing could be worse that Trump's inaction for so many months. He even promoted NOT trying to control the virus. At least 80% of the deaths have been indirectly caused by his mismanagement.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
On day one, (Jan 20), Biden will immediately initiate effective methods to confront the virus. Biden will do this even in the face of Trump continuing to prevent Biden's team from getting a start on the problem by Trump refusing to cooperate with Biden.
Trump will have a dark legacy of death and suffering.
You must pay more careful attention. Our third quarter growth was tremendous. Employment gains have been considerably ahead of projections. There is no reason to believe the worst is ahead of us unless Biden does something stupid. I will admit that Biden doing something stupid is practically guaranteed.Quote:
the worst is ahead of you
The experiences of European countries makes that sound ridiculous.Quote:
At least 80% of the deaths have been indirectly caused by his mismanagement.
In light of current events you're statement is ridiculous! How do you ignore the soaring uptick of sickness and death and say it's getting better?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
It is possible to deal with two thoughts at one time. The economy, I plainly stated, was getting better. The virus situation here, as in many other places, is not, and I have certainly not said otherwise.Quote:
In light of current events you're statement is ridiculous! How do you ignore the soaring uptick of sickness and death and say it's getting better?
That's very true and I can acknowledge two thoughts, but I just see a relationship between the two. I also add the mitigating factors of the stimulus package the congress passed that is running out and another so far absent that helped the economy before, and the previous lockdowns that slowed the virus spread.
I see little choice but to repeat what worked before until a better solution is presented. Vaccines may be many months away and surviving until then would be the priority. At least we can be more hopeful this time around that a solution is at least in sight.
someone put the economy ahead of lives, wonder who that could be?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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