They ended rather abruptly early in the Trump term . But now with Quid's reign just days away ,they are again on the march
Up to 8,000 US-bound migrants enter Guatemala from Honduras - CNN
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They ended rather abruptly early in the Trump term . But now with Quid's reign just days away ,they are again on the march
Up to 8,000 US-bound migrants enter Guatemala from Honduras - CNN
For a country founded by immigrants you all have a serious problem with them.
Why not allow them in, and get them to do al those cruddy jobs that Americans refuse to as they see them as below their abilities.
I get the whole don't want the drains on the economy, but f they are paying taxes and making their way in the communities then why not...
Or is that too socialist for your taste.
I have no problem at all with LEGAL immigration
Let's entice them here with a $15 minimum wage !
We have been allowing them in for more than two centuries. There were more than a million in 2018 alone.Quote:
Why not allow them in,
Yeah why entice them with 15 bucks when they have been taking a lot less for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Wonder why they can always find work? like Ben says we have the work, but what's changed is the color of the migrants, and some feel threatened by that. Can't blame them. A majority minority is a helluva thing for a traditional white majority nation to accept.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
My German ancestors came here in the 1850s to farm. When did yours arrive and what jobs did they have?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
If I were in charge, I'd set up more immigration stations and checkpoints on the southern border. They'd be run by well-trained and empathetic staff.
Some people have no empathy for a humane system of process and see cruelty as a deterrent...but still they come knowing that cruelty awaits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Some of my people were forced to come here as this nation was founded, and still subjected to that cruelty to this day.
Weird how Americans are happy to self identify their immigrant ancestors, yet suggest they allow more to enter and they get all bent out of shape..
Now stop being Blah-American and be simply American and have pride in your nation.
That being said, the old national boundaries are becoming defuse, so embrace the change for the greater good of humanity...
Just look at the mess that has been made of Europe and the UK leaving that economic bloc...
Yeah I remember the Brexit was also fueled by the rhetoric of caravans of immigrants coming. Some people just gobble that fear of the other stuff up.
And the European open internal borders was actually very good for the migrate economies, yet leavers were whipped up by blind rhetoric...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
However what's done is done and some are now seeing just how badly mislead they were...
My Italian and Irish ancestors arrived here in the early 20th century . They were not allowed into NYC proper until they passed physical exams at Ellis Island . Those that were sick or had criminal records were either sent back to their native land or were housed until they were well enough to enter the country. If there were any reason to deny or delay approval the immigrants were kept in caged in areas with barbed wire .About 10% were refused admission. It's nicknames were 'Heartbreak Island', and 'The Island of Tears' because of the amount of those denied immigration. Immigrants could not come in penniless . They needed a minimum of $18 to prove they could support themselves while establishing themselves .
One of my grandfathers worked as a trolley driver ;the other in the Post Office . My grandmothers both worked retail jobs.
The alliance of the left and big business for the mass migration of cheap labor to both the US and GB has been a disaster . It is the people ;not the metropolitan elites or the swamp critters who bear the costs of the added infrastructure like civil services ;schools and the health care systems . It has created a downward spiral in living standards and forced more Brits and Americans onto the government dependency rolls .It is the working class of Britain and the US who have been required to pay the price for subsidizing that bargain .
Britain must be very proud how they herded the immigrants into working class ghetto enclaves . Some may have embraced Brit national identity . But most are still living like immigrants going well into the 2nd and 3rd generation .Add to that there is not even a religious identity What you have then is a breeding ground for radicals in the UK . At least here there is an attempt at integration . Separated by culture and religion ;almost all the radical Muslims in Europe are 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants .
Here in the US where 'melting pot' meant an integration into society while some cultural appropriation (now an evil concept ) occurred; we are now taught that America is a quilt of segregation that should be celebrated . But in Britain the headlines read that Europe is struggling with Muslim extremists . What they won't report is that it is a home grown problem bread by an unfettered immigration policy .
Tom, I think you have misunderstood how it worked within the EU, it wasn't driven by politics or big business. The whole bloc enjoy freedom of labour, much like working anywhere you wish within the USA, the same happened within the entire EU.
Immigrants were peoples from outside of that, ever expanding, economic bloc. That fact alone was vast misrepresented to the UK people during the whole Brexit mess.
The domestics terrorists are indeed later generations that have become disillusioned and followed religion based zealot personality cults.
Much of this has been of our own doing in not ensuring that everyone was fully integrated while also allowing for keeping their own cultural identities.
Unfortunately, I don't think this would have had any meaningful effect on the more recent Islamic problem.
Every religion has it's zealots, it's been lot easier for some to follow their paths to the bitter end.
We have a history in America of white supremacy and as much that has been done to eradicate those groups, they have just morphed into smaller locals connected by the new means of communications the internet and associated devices provide.
Jail as many members as you can, but the ideology continues.
so will Joe build a big beautiful wall or throw open the gates
That's an easy one. He'll let in the illegals and tell them to vote democrat.Quote:
so will Joe build a big beautiful wall or throw open the gates
so more illegal votes then?
No more? Try "many more". I hope sincerely that does not develop, but I can certainly see it being very possible. Who would stop it?
A common occurrence - immigrants becoming anti-immigration after a generation or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curlyben
You do realise that illegal immigrants can't register to vote...Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
but why let that small fact get in the way of a good conspiracy...
You do realize it would be an easy matter for Congress to give them quick access to citizenship? The liberal dems control everything now. But why let that small fact get in the way of leisure?Quote:
You do realise that illegal immigrants can't register to vote...
but why let that small fact get in the way of a good conspiracy...
If it makes your fringer head explode while buried shoulder deep YOU KNOW WHERE, then I hope they try. It would be the right thing to do for hard working migrants who contribute for years making America better...and highly entertaining for us libs. 8DQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You're kidding, right...Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Then they would be legal immigrates, that means taxable and improving their communities, etc.
You are falsely assuming that all immigrants have an opposing political view to your very narrow outlook.
Many couldn't careless as long as they have a job to make money and somewhere safe to call home.
You do know what liberal actual means don't you, as you clearly believe that they are one stop away from communism..
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Originally Posted by Liberal
looks pretty good to me
If they enter illegally, then they are illegal immigrants up until the time of naturalization. Am I kidding? Biden is the one talking about packing the SCOTUS, so I don't put much past him.Quote:
You're kidding, right...
Then they would be legal immigrates, that means taxable and improving their communities, etc.
You are falsely assuming that all immigrants have an opposing political view to your very narrow outlook.
Many couldn't careless as long as they have a job to make money and somewhere safe to call home.
Liberal and conservative are both terms that take on various meanings as times and pols change. Dictionary defs don't matter much. They are trying to impeach a pres just days before he leaves office on ridiculous charges. That tells me enough.Quote:
You do know what liberal actual means don't you, as you clearly believe that they are one stop away from communism..
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Ignorance of the law is no excuse with a friend like Google unless you are out of, or have lost you're frigging mind.
You now have to worry whether this caravan carries covid, but wait you don't have to worry about that since you will probably infect them as soon as they cross
Right, no argument there. So once naturalized they would be legally allowed to vote, once they register.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
What on earth are you taking about. SCOTUS is already full after a recent change in seating being pushed through. That would be the same court that turned down recent acts, not once, but twice.Quote:
Biden is the one talking about packing the SCOTUS, so I don't put much past him.
That being said it could do with being expanding to fully represent the circuit courts, of which there are 13, but that's a different discussion.
He has been impeached, just the official trial to follow now.Quote:
They are trying to impeach a pres just days before he leaves office on ridiculous charges.
Least they wont be Trump'd up charges :) As the saying goes, he made his bed, now he has to lie on it.
Exactly.Quote:
So once naturalized they would be legally allowed to vote, once they register.
If you are going to comment on issues in the U.S., you really need to stay caught up. Biden and other dems have talked for months of expanding the number of SCOTUS justices to more than nine, and then putting liberal justices in the new seats to give the libs a SCOTUS majority.Quote:
What on earth are you taking about. SCOTUS is already full after a recent change in seating being pushed through.
The bed is only in the minds of liberal dems. At any rate, it is doubtful that they can attempt to have a Senate trial on a pres who has already left office. The precedent there is Nixon. He saw impeachment coming, so he resigned and the articles of impeachment were dropped.Quote:
As the saying goes, he made his bed, now he has to lie on it.
So if they come into the country and follow the correct process, why are you making such a big thing out of it ?
As for SCOTUS, I'm more than aware that there are plans to change it's make up, as I actually mentioned.
As Mr Orange changed the seating arrangements to give himself the balance of power, your argument really doesn't hold any fluids.
Come on J keep up.
As for the impeachment, there is more at stake that just removing from current position, there's also disallowing any future public office and loss of many perks.
In this case I doubt they'll be dropped, as Biden could then use this as a perfect opportunity to show just how pragmatic the office of President can be and pardon Mr Orange to demonstrate unity and how statesmanship should be done.
Then of course you'll simply claim foul and it was all a nasty plan from the radical left.
This type of incendiary rhetoric is getting very staid and mundane.
If you'd prefer a more balanced and reasoned discussion, I'm mostly ears, otherwise I think we're done here.
If they come in illegally, then they are not following the correct process. It's the illegals that concern me. I'm all for legal immigration.
That is completely wrong. Trump did what every other pres has done. He nominated qualified individuals to the SC. Did he pick conservatives? Yes, just as Obama selected libs and Biden will select libs. That is entirely different from changing the number of justices for no other reason than to swing future court decisions.Quote:
As Mr Orange changed the seating arrangements to give himself the balance of power, your argument really doesn't hold any fluids.
You are, I think, right about the dems motives for impeachment.
I would be amazed beyond believing if that happened, but I suppose it would be possible.Quote:
Biden could then use this as a perfect opportunity to show just how pragmatic the office of President can be and pardon Mr Orange to demonstrate unity and how statesmanship should be done.
Actually I wouldn't claim foul at all. I would just spend a week in utter astonisment.Quote:
Then of course you'll simply claim foul and it was all a nasty plan from the radical left.
This type of incendiary rhetoric is getting very staid and mundane.
If I have engaged in "incendiary rhetoric", then please point it out. That is not my intent. Perhaps you are referring to someone else.
Is it too soon to impeach Quid for inciting a mass immigration crisis?
At the border, he should install many checkpoints that include medical stations to give vaccinations and do physical and mental exams, temporary housing, child care, food stations, transportation to pre-set locations once approval has been granted, and translators. (If I were younger, I'd help.)Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Or just build a wall.
That's been tried and is a major fail. Better to stem the tide of opioids pouring in across the northern border.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The part that got built works great. It just needs to be completed.
Works great??? It has been quickly and easily scaled.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You need to keep up better. "New border wall blocks 90% of illegal crossings, up from just 10%." It works much, much better than, "many checkpoints that include medical stations."
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...p-from-just-10
Hard to believe, but certainly those 135-136 miles of new wall will keep all those immigrants out of our country.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
(P.S. I'm alive today because of immigrants and immigrants' children from Mexico, Central America, South America, India, Pakistan, the Philippines, China, and Africa.)
"The video from by Deseret Sun photojournalist J Omar Ornelas shows a man bracing a tall ladder at the foot of the fence as two men climb to the top, then easily slide down the ladder rails from the other side of the perforated fence."
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9236656.html
They will along the 135 miles. Shame we didn't build it all.Quote:
Hard to believe, but certainly those 135-136 miles of new wall will keep all those immigrants out of our country.
Legal immigrants. I'm all for them.Quote:
(P.S. I'm alive today because of immigrants and immigrants' children from Mexico, Central America, South America, India, Pakistan, the Philippines, China, and Africa.)
Wonder why we didn't. Hmm....Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Hope you watched the video I posted. And "gee whiz, let's just go east a bit and walk around the end of this stupid wall."
And you have NO IDEA of the difference.Quote:
Legal immigrants. I'm all for them.
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