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Originally Posted by alkalineangel

my husband jokes about pulling the shot gun out and shiunning it on the first date...lol...
But I agree. I will make sure they know everything I can tell them..

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Tell him it doesn't work. :) I had two friends in high school (they were sisters) who's dad did this. The younger one was 14 and dating a 24 year old... she lost her virginity to him... she liked him because he was in a "gang"; the TPC (Trailer Park Crew). I wish I was joking.

Not to say your kids would behave the same way, by the way!

See, where I grew up, if the parents didn't want them to do it, they didn't have to do it, period. There were so many kids who's parents didn't want them to go through the class, and a couple of them ended up walking in our graduation ceremony wearing an extra large gown because they were pregnant.

Luckily, my mom was like "you're taking the class, end of discussion".

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Originally Posted by Nosnosna

The basic run through of sex ed for us was:

Here's the basic premise.
You probably shouldn't actually do this stuff.
If you're going to, at least be safe. We've got condoms here in the guidance office, and the health department has them free. Or you can go out and buy your own.
Condoms are good, but they can break or fail in other ways.
Here's a picture of a really advanced case of chlamydia. He used a condom and still managed to get this.

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Wow. What a way to "zip" right through sex ed. I was lucky enough to get a thorough class. I started sex ed in 5th grade and had it until I graduated.

It is soooooooo different now, at least in our school district.

It wasn't ACTUALLY that quick... it was twice a week for a semester, in place of whatever the normal activity of the day would have been in gym.

Some of the questions on my daughter's test (she was in 7th grade) rivaled what I had in college Microbiology. I won't be a grandmother for a LONG time.

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Originally Posted by Nosnosna

The basic run through of sex ed for us was:

Here's the basic premise.
You probably shouldn't actually do this stuff.
If you're going to, at least be safe. We've got condoms here in the guidance office, and the health department has them free. Or you can go out and buy your own.
Condoms are good, but they can break or fail in other ways.
Here's a picture of a really advanced case of chlamydia. He used a condom and still managed to get this.

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We didn't even get that...
We got "Sex is the devil...the devil burns people who have sex...fear the devil"
"there is no such thing as condoms, they are the devil"
"there is no such thing as birth control pills, they are the devil"
"Sex will kill you and mutate your babies, it is the devil"

Seeing as we were intelligent, it wasn't all that effective...
Luckily I had smart parents too..

The baby is just another VICTIM of the RAPIST.....why should it be "ok" to abort it based on the fact of rape??

Yes it may be a horrible reminder of what happened (for 9 months), but the woman does not have to keep it, she can give it up for adoption.

Which would be easier to lay on your conscious- night after night??

Abortion- is a permanent solution to a temporary problem!

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Originally Posted by go-ask-mom

The baby is just another VICTIM of the RAPIST.....why should it be "ok" to abort it based on the fact of rape??

Yes it may be a horrible reminder of what happened (for 9 months), but the woman does not have to keep it, she can give it up for adoption.

Which would be easier to lay on your conscious- night after night??

Abortion- is a permanent solution to a temporary problem!

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For some people the decision to put their child up for adoption is as hard as deciding whether to abort it or not.

And the reminder of that horrible time in their life doesn't only last 9 months, it lasts the whole child's life. Every time the mother looks at that child she could be reminded of that, that is if she decided to keep it.

Not to mention what the child might endure. Not every child gets to go to a loving home. Some of them are forced to sit in overpopulated orphanges waiting for a home that never comes. Some of them may never find one, and then they come out bitter and hurt.

As has been said many times in this thread already, You can not say that abortion is bad, if you have never been forced with the decision yourself.

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Originally Posted by nauticalstar420

For some people the decision to put their child up for adoption is as hard as deciding whether to abort it or not.

And the reminder of that horrible time in their life doesnt only last 9 months, it lasts the whole childs life. Everytime the mother looks at that child she could be reminded of that, that is if she decided to keep it.

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That decision can be togh too, I never said that it wouldn't but THAT wasn't the issue (thats a whole other thread- )....I'm saying, that if they are indeed going to go thru life as you suggest: (That the baby is a "constant horrible reminder") then they NEED to put it up for adoption! And with that outlook, I wouldn't think the choice would be a tough one. The choice is clear!

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If thru counseling they can overcome those feelings and actually learn to LOVE the baby, and know that the baby IS a victim just like they were.....then keeping it may be a good decision. ....if they are going to treat it as just a "horrible reminder" thru its entire life, then that is NOT a healthy loving environment to even THINK about raising a baby in.

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Originally Posted by alkalineangel

not to mention what the child might endure. Not every child gets to go to a loving home. Some of them are forced to sit in overpopulated orphanges waiting for a home that never comes. Some of them may never find one, and then they come out bitter and hurt.

As has been said many times in this thread already, You can not say that abortion is bad, if you have never been forced with the decision yourself.

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INFANTS do NOT sit and wait, there are more couples w/loving homes WAITING for infants than there are infants waiting for loving homes... unfortunately, some will not take anything but... it's the older children years 5> that are the hardest to find homes for... and almost impossible once they reach the pre teen ages. But we're not debating the issue of timelines in infant adoption...

AND... one does NOT have to actually "live" or "experience" something in their life to KNOW whether it is wrong...

Do you have to first experience starvation, drug/ physical /mental abuse, etc etc... to know these are wrong?? NO. And I don't have to MURDER someone to know that -THAT is also WRONG.

Can you speak for all of the young children, teens, who are still in orphanages waiting to be adopted?

Have you been in the position of abortion or adoption?

Until we actually sit in the driver's seat of the pregnant person, we cannot truthfully say what we would or would not do.

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That decision can be togh too, I never said that it wouldn't but THAT wasn't the issue (thats a whole other thread- )....I'm saying, that if they are indeed going to go thru life as you suggest: (That the baby is a "constant horrible reminder") then they NEED to put it up for adoption! And with that outlook, I wouldn't think the choice would be a tough one. The choice is clear!

BUT.....
If thru counseling they can overcome those feelings and actually learn to LOVE the baby, and know that the baby IS a victim just like they were.....then keeping it may be a good decision. ....if they are going to treat it as just a "horrible reminder" thru its entire life, then that is NOT a healthy loving environment to even THINK about raising a baby in.

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Just because of where the baby came from doesn't mean the mother wouldn't love it, it would just be a reminder. I could never not love my kids under any circumstance. I agree with the fact that we can't say what we would do until we were in that position. I can say I wouldn't abort/adopt all I want, but I may change my tune if I ever get into that particular position. You just never know until you get there.

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INFANTS do NOT sit and wait, there are more couples w/loving homes WAITING for infants than there are infants waiting for loving homes.....unfortunately, some will not take anything but....it's the older children years 5> that are the hardest to find homes for....and almost impossible once they reach the pre teen ages. But we're not debating the issue of timelines in infant adoption....

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AND...one does NOT have to actually "live" or "experience" something in their life to KNOW whether or not it is wrong.....

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Yes, but one would need to experience being in this position to understand how they would "really" feel on the issue. Adoption is not the "easy answer" that so many people make it out to be. Adoption is just as brutal as adoption sometimes.

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Originally Posted by go-ask-mom

Do you have to first experience starvation, drug/ physical /mental abuse, etc etc...to know these are wrong??? NO. And I don't have to MURDER someone to know that -THAT is also WRONG.

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Again, the debate isn't whether it is WRONG... if you had read previous responses, you would understand my stance... the debate is whether it should be LEGAL. When it comes to health issues like this, it should never be the decision of the government. What about a mother who becomes pregnant (planned) with her 4th child. She soon finds out that the child has a dangerous condition that will ultimately kill the mother in childbirth, and the child will not thrive once born. Should the mother neglect her other children and choose the life of a child that will not live, robbing her already living children of the mother they so need, or should she abort the baby? There are situations out there besides the ones the media and anti-abortionists want you to hear. Not everyone seeking an abortion is using it as a form of birth control..

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