What does President Bush believe?
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What does President Bush believe?
In screwing the American public as much as he can
President Bush thinks he has a direct line to God.
Hello dj:
President Bush believes the Constitution is an impediment to his power, and he's willing to destroy it. He's done more damage to the republic than ANY president has - ever!
excon
President Bush he believes that he can do no wrong... Of course the American people know otherwise...
Cowboy Bush doesn't like the fact there are rules even for the president, He should be impeached. Bending the rule to suit himself is what he is about. He doesn't care the american people just what he can do to make the USA, canada, mexico all one country, (North American Union).
He is about how much money he can spend around the world, and the hell with the American people to promote his image.
His image is very tarnished and I don't what to clean it up for him.
Looking from outside the country I may see things without the usual Democrat/Rebublican prejudices.
I see President Bush as someone that was put in an impossible situation. No matter whether you agree with the war in Iraq or not he had virtually no way to not get the military involved.
The reporting from the media in both your country and in Canada is so narrow minded and politically one sided they have the American army as buffoons running around not knowing what is going on.
The press reports that President Bush is misleading the people but in reality, honesty in Politics can be the most damaging positive attribute a politician can have.
Unlike his predecessor that brought misleading to an art form President Bush gives the answers that are politically damaging but in the best interest of the American people.
We lost a Prime Minister in Canada a few years a go when he said he was going to raise gas taxes by 19cents a gallon. He was replaced by a dishonest politician that made 19 cents look like a drop in the bucket.
There is a separate question stream that asks about JFK. I think they compare in many ways in style. Both believe in individual right over idealogue, waging war when and only when necessary. Mistakes however are overlooked in the press when speaking of President Kennedy. That is not to say mistakes where made in either Presidency but a Monday morning quarterbacksare always right when there advice or criticism can not be tested.
The aftermath of the Cuba invasion is still felt throughout the America's.
History will reflect on President Bush in a much more favourable light than the current treatment he receives from the press. Unfortunately too many voters will be swayed by this in the next election. Report a misleading or ficticous fact often enough and people will believe.
Not sure what kind of information you are trying to collect about either President Kennedy or President Bush but if your just looking to confirm your own opinion you will find lots of backers on both sides.
It is interesting to see a non-US perspective, but I disagree with a lot of what you are saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken 297
Bush was, in no way, forced to take military action in Iraq. The facts of the matter is that the rationale for invading Iraq were either manufactured or misread. If Bush was backed into a corner its because he painted himself there. My personal belief is Bush wanted this war for reasons of ego and for his cronies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken 297
I also disagree about the portrayal of US troops. While there has been some criticism of the war planning, US media has been nothing but supportive to the rank and file.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken 297
Excuse me? Yes, honest politician is more often an oxymoron, but Bush giving answer that are in the best interests of the people? Are you just from a different country or a different planet? Its one thing to not be honest, its another thing to downright lie. If Bush isn't lying to the American People, then its because his advisros are lying to him and he believes them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken 297
As for Clinton, he doesn't hold a candle to Bush for lying to the people.
Where do you get the idea Bush believes in individual right? Bush has done more to damage the rights of Americans then anyone since King George III.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken 297
Bush has subverted the Constitution in several ways.
Bush will go down in history as one of the worst, if not THE worst president in our history. If anything, as more facts come to light about his abuses, his rep will get worse. The only things that have saved him from impeachment are the prospect of Cheney in the Oval Office and the Republican dominated Congress. The Democrats figure it will take two years to get an impeachment through so why bother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken 297
Well I'll give you he is your worst President since Clinton.
BTW what rights of Americans have been taken away?
I remember President Clinton trying to nationalize 10% of the US economy.
Try going down the slippery slope of socialism and see what happens to your rights.
It is really amazing how clueless people are in the U.S. and how quickly the forgot about 9/11. I am not saying the Bush is perfect or even the greatest President for he has made some mistakes with policies. What I am glad of was he was the President when we where attacked. This time we may have entered Iraq without the full truth (ie WMD) but two things are important. We stopped the genocide for the Iraqi people and we took the conflict with the fundamentalist away from the U.S. If it was not us taking the fight to the region these radicals are from then it would be here within our borders.
Are you kidding? Illegal wiretaps for one. There have been several other instances of disregard for the Constitution.
In the hindsight of history, I believe Clinton will come out very well. Its unfortunate that Clinton's libido over shadowed all the good he did.
Well, if you are not a terrorist or a criminal then what are you concerned about. Even if you where a criminal (US Citizen) then the wiretapping would not affect you because it only focused on terrorism and if something outside of that was discovered it would be dropped in our court system. Also, how do you think they wiretape. It is a computer that only keys on specific words to known areas of interest. Only when it meets a specific criteria does a human listen. So call the adult 800 number will be ignored.
Excuse me, but I find it very hard to forget about 9/11. You see I was in the South Tower that morning. And no, I am not glad that he was president then. I will never be glad that Bush was president.Quote:
Originally Posted by RetiredNavy
And for the record, I totally support our actions in Afghanistan. But Iraq was not justified in any way. There has been no proof that Sadaam had links to Al Qaeda. Nor is there any proof we have forestalled attacks on the US. So what you are saying is that its OK to send our trrops to Iraq and have them die there then trying to defend our borders? Sorry, but that doesn't fly with me.
You miss the point. The point is the disregard for the Constitution. I've been stopped and had my bag checked going through Penn Station. I don't object because that is legal and because I have nothing to hide. But I object to breaking the law in the name of allegedly protecting our rights. Can't you see the paradox of violating our rights to protect them?Quote:
Originally Posted by RetiredNavy
NO SIR! Not I. I cherish our freedoms, our rights. I am aware that those rights and freedoms make us vulnerable. But I would rather be vulnerable than have my rights constrained.
It is strange that all of the sudden you where involved in 9/11 (I don't believe) but I have spent 20 years serving in the Navy have been involved in the Libyan conflict, 1st Gulf war, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and the current war. So the answer is an astonishly "YES".
a) ad hominem attack makes you look like you have no counter-argument whatsoever (which you do not seem to have)Quote:
RetiredNavy disagrees: Listen to someone from Canada where they have a failing medical system and 50% tax rate.
b) I didn't make up that line about Bush:
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The comment is not an attack but a comment of someone speaking of a the President of the U.S. when they themselves are not a citizen of the U.S. I did not make an attack of your Queen. the Royal Family ,etc.
I voted for GWB twice; the first time because I could not stomach ALGOR, the inventor of the internet; the second time because I don't consider Swift Boat Kerry to be an honorable man. I am sorely disappointed in the performance of GWB. His main failure was not listening to Colin Powell, and trying to do Iraq on the cheap (without sufficient forces). His goal to establish a bastion of freedom in a part of the world that seems mired in the 8th century was noble, if poorly executed. In 76 I voted for Carter because I thought him to be a man of character. He proved to be sadly incompetent, but still a good man. The vilification of GWB and his MOTIVES is sad, to say the least. Do you remember FDR who locked up Japanese and German US citizens in WWII? If we had CNN and the foreign affairs experts from Hollywood calling the plays after D-Day, the US would have folded their tent as soon as the carnage at Normandy was aired. If I had to pick the next president, I would have to go with Joe Biden, because he seems to offer the only realistic solution to the mess that Iraq has become.
No its NOT all of a sudden. There was no need for me to mention it before. I don't talk about it much, but people who have known me for a while and knew me then know it's the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by RetiredNavy
There is nothing I can offer to prove it for you. I could tell you the company I work for (I'm still with them) and I could relate exactly what happened to me, but I doubt if that will convince you since you have indicated a bias.
I don't have any reason to doubt you, in fact your blind support for Dubya, is typical of those who served in the military.
I'm guessing your Yes answer is to sacrificing our military people rather then defending our borders. You are entitled to feel that way, just as I would rather have put our efforts into in dealing with the reality rather then some imagined threat. I would rather not have sacrificed the young men and women who serve in the military to protect a people that don't like us and don't want us.
Hello Retired:Quote:
Originally Posted by RetiredNavy
The above presumes you believe him. I don't - not for a minute. I think they're going to listen to anyone they damn well please.
You believe him, huh? You were in Iraq? So, how many WMD's did you find?
excon
PS> Not that it matters, but for your information I spilled a few quarts of my blood in the Vietnamese dirt.
He probably won't believe you. Too convenient. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
GWB has made mistakes. No way! He is perfect... or wait isn't that what he wants us to believe. Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on your political beliefs) GWB has single handedly demolished the republican party. He breeds mistrust and is the portriat of incompetence. As I republican I can honestly say... I am voting democrat in the next election.
What do you mean to defend our borders, to prevent the illegal from entering. If you do, then you do not know much about U.S. Law. Title 10 and Title 50 establish the Natational Defense which includes the four services. Under these laws, the U.S. Military is forbidden to take military action within the borders of the United States unless attacked by a foreign military. This is so that a military take over is impossibly. The only reason that the National Guard can assist is that they fall under the states governments unless required to deploy outside the U.S. for war. So, in the case of the military fighting terrorist in Iraq or elsewhere then the only option to get the military to fight the terrorist is to outfit all terrorist with uniforms, place them in Mexico to form a military and have them cross our borders in a military action. What do think the odds of that happening? So, if you the people want the military to "Protect or Borders in the US" you need to change the laws first.
So you complain about the power of the U.S. government, just image of the powers the government would have against there own citizens if the had the military behind them. If you want to give them more power, please by all means organize the people of the United States to change the law to give them even more power and passing that power down to the military.
My mis-trust of GWB started after 9/11, and I will gladlly change my support as soon as anyone can show me a photo of the wreckage of the 757 Boeing that allegedlly struck the penatgon.
Just one photo of the wreckage!
Now remember the Fan blades on the two engines are 9 ft in diameter.
I do agree with that. We voted for him because we wanted Conservitism to return. He has not done that, in fact minimal government is far from the truth during his tenure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuscany
Here are the security tapes from the Pentagon on that day. Pentagon 9/11 Crash Video To Be Released - Wizbang. Additionally, I personally know and lost people that I knew at the Pentagon that day.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr.yet
I know, I know, I should just stay out of this but I can't help it. My fingers will not listen to me! :)
1. George Bush has disappointed me more than words can say. I don't believe he's evil, but sure agree he's pathetic.
2. Knowing what I know today, if it were Bush vs. Kerry again, I'd have to vote (sadly) for Bush again.
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Originally Posted by RetiredNavy
I have seen this tape, it doesn't show the wreckage of the 757 Boeing. Not one single piece.
Yes, I agree and many people lost their life and I grieve for every single one of them and their families. My nephew works at the penatgon and was there that morning.
If you where in Vietnam, I would say I am glad you served your country. Your experenses says it all of the man you truly are. And CEO of a 500 company, please save me. If you bio is true, no company would ever allow you to get into management. Something about following rules, governance, respect, honest, and loyalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Well it is good to see that Conspiracism is live and well. Everyone is out to get you, the Federal Government, the State Government, and the Local Government.
It's good to question your government.
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Originally Posted by RetiredNavy
Conspiracism, very interesting you would say that being retire navy.
What ever happen to We the People. A governement of the people , by the people and for the people. Something the government has forgetten.
Yes to question, however I fail to see where the question is, there is only blame, mistrust and disregard for the government. On the other hand, I do agree that Bush has not adequatly answered the questions of the people and that is "in my opinion" his biggest flaw.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
And rightfully so.Quote:
Originally Posted by RetiredNavy
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No I do not mean to just prevent illegal entry. And I am fully aware of the laws governing use of the military on American soil. But there are a number of Nat'l Guard units in Iraq. Units that could be used in internal defense. In addition, the money wasted in Iraq could have been put too much better use in defending our borders, which is basically what I meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by RetiredNavy
Where did I complain about the "power of the US Government"? What I complained about was the ABUSE of its power.Quote:
Originally Posted by RetiredNavy
BTW, May I call your attention to the suggested guidelines for using the comments feature shown here:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/feedba...e-24951-4.html
Since much of what has been said in this thread is opinion, giving a negative comment goes against those guidelines.
And finally, the more I think about it the more incensed I am at your accusation that I lied. You have no cause to question my or anyone's veracity absent of proof. Yes I was in the South Tower that day. I saw flames shooting out of the windows of the North Tower from my office window. I was in a stairwell on the 16th floor when the second plane hit. The lights went out and the building shook. I saw the plaza looking like a war zone with flaming debris all over the place. Those images and that experience are etched in my memory.
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Originally Posted by mr.yet
One some matters I agree with you. I do believe that a majority of our problems is that being a Politician is a career not a desire to serve the people of the United States. I do not believe that the ones that are elected for terms are out to get the people.
Having served in the military, I know much more about countries than what the average citizen knows or has access too. Thus when people make rushed discission without have all of the facts is a little irritating. That is why most of the military believe in what we are doing in Iraq is for the better. They know from having much more information and/or by seeing first hand.
Many bring up the WMD issue, and when we went to Iraq it was believed by all there was. Not just by Bush's cronies as some would point out, but also by the military, many other countries and their military. Did we find any, no? However, based on the information everyone had, Bush and his cronies and many other countries made a discission. Now that we have turned Iraq upside down, we have a moral obligation to correct the mistake. And we CANNOT let Iran get ahold of Iraq. You believe we have issues now, if we where to let that happen there would be turmoil. The 2500 military that have died in Iraq would be a small number compared to Iran.
I'm not too sure about that. The backpacker who spends their nights in the homes of the citizens then travels the country would have knowledge that you would not have. The habitual business traveller who experiences various countries and needs to understand their mores and traditions has good knowledge as well. People in one country who befriend and host may people from different countries have a good understanding of the variety of cultures. Military people may have knowledge that is skewed by being surrounded by heavy weaponry in a host country.Quote:
Originally Posted by RetiredNavy
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Hi NK - me again :)
The above is not quite true. Our military are exposed to many cultures and variety parts of society. They actually become a member of the community where their duty station is, whether that be US or overseas. So, I would think they would have a very well rounded view and extensive knowledge of a variety of cultures, countries and policies. Oh trust me NK, it is far more than being surrounded by heavy weaponry. But I am sure retired Navy can answer this one awhole lot better.
Retirednavy - I do hope you address ScottGem's upset at not believing his word. I can not find the post where this took place, but I hope you do address it. That is very upsetting. Scott, I can not even imagine what that must have been like and so sorry you experienced that.
If you truly believe that then the world is lost. I have an idea, lets turn over the government to a 16 years old that thinks their teachers are just there to be irritating. Just because you know what a radiator is and can point out the fuel injector does not mean you know how to fix a car. So, talking to farmer that knows what is in his fields does not mean he knows what is in his government, military or even the local police. Also, there is a big differnece between a countries culture amound the average Joe then the culture of a government. Just look at the difference we have from the culture in the North and the culture in the South. Talking to a Northern does not mean I know the Southerner.
Hi Allheart,
My point was that the residents of the country may relate differently to a person carrying a sidearm or assault weapon. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
How would you know anyhting about North Korea? You're not a citizen of that country.Quote:
Originally Posted by RetiredNavy
Again, the Federal Governemtn using the National Guard is borderline to breaking the law. About the only way they are getting by using them is that the state Governors are directing them. In regards to defending our border, the terrorist that attacked us all had legal and/or forged passports to enter the country. That is up to Customes to emforce not the military. Mexican coming into the U.S. to work is not a military action by a foriegner. I do agree it needs to be fixed but it is not an issue of the military.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottGem
Where did I complain about the "power of the US Government"? What I complained about was the ABUSE of its power.
Please specify which comment you are talking about when I used the Comment Feature. IQuote:
Originally Posted by ScottGem
This is very intersting comment considering the entire thread is doing just that except with Bush. Many have accused Bush of lying and are questioning veracity absent of proof. It is amazing how upset when people get when there actions are repeated against them by others.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottGem
With that being said, the reason I question your locality on 9/11 is that I find it hard to understand that anyone that lived through that HELL can not understand why it is better to take the fight away from our soil. Iraq may not have been the best choice but it has caused the terrorist (ie the Insergency) to attack those that is the job to fight. Citizen should not be at the front line.
In my case, I have been to 34 countries and I can agree that the view of a average Joe is different than the view of the government. So, in my case having first hand contact with the average citizen plus access to other information. I can a say I have more knowledge than the average US citizen about foreign countries. I can also say that my knowledge level is not even close to higher officials. So, I do not know everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Did I say anything about North Korea? Let me be specific, a U.S. Northern (example from New York) and a U.S. Southern (Example from South Carolina) cultures are different.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Hello again, Navy:Quote:
Originally Posted by RetiredNavy
You seem to think that is was OK to invade Iraq because we all thought he had WMD's. It wasn't. Hell, I thought he had 'em too. But, a country shouldn't go to war on what it thinks, and it certainly shouldn't go to war based on what I think. It appears, however, that my thinking wasn't any better than the CIA's. But, I was guessing. Looks like they were too.
Bush took us to war based on faulty data, and we've ruined their country. His unwarranted invasion EMBOLDENDED our enemies throughout the Muslim world. Plus, he's expanded the military to the breaking point making us even LESS safe than we were.
Finally, since you've been there, were the Iraqi's better off under Saddam than they are now?? I say YES! By a long shot, and I've never been there.
excon
Well that's not too hard. I think that most Canadians have more knowledge of foreign countries than most americans. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by RetiredNavy
You are correct. I misread your comment about north and south, my apologies.
You sound very familiar, have you ever been on this site before?
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