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Ok.
We are in Iraq, Iran will possibly have nuclear weapons within the next two years, and it is possible N Korea could be fairly close if not already there. We are distracted in Iraq, so what do we do?
THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT CUT AND RUN OR BUSH'S POLICY ON IRAQ OR Whether IT IS AN ILLEGAL WAR! Instead I want to hear what you think about what can be done with the current situation we HAVE to live with.
Let's step back one second - what is it assumed that N. Korea will use its weapons on the US?
In all seriousness, do they not teach about the korean war in Canada? No need to step-back because it is widely known they hate us. We know this through their rhetoric, they hate us because of all the sanctions that we have imposed on them, they hate us because of the war, they hate us because America is one of the most advanced Democracies in the world and we don't like it when people take upon themselves the title of dictator supreme which and deprive their people of human rights such as eating, which is exactly what they have done.
However, whether they want to launch nukes at us is not the point. The point is that they would be even more inclined to sell their nukes to Osama, Hezzbolah, and other terrorist organizations because their country is practically bankrupt (they already would be if it weren't for their supernotes).
Korean war? 50+ years ago? You don't think things change in 50 years?
And the USA is a republic not a democracy. Do you hate all communists because they are communists? Same with socialists? Same with liberals.
Well you seem to have your mind set anyway, no use in me posting here.
Have a great day!
North Koreans hate us because of their isolation. They are brought up to hate us so they do!
North Korea in all probability will not use nuclear weapons on North America. They are too easy a target for payback. What is very probable is that they sell it to a terrorist group for commodities that they have been restricted from (like fuel, explosives, uranium, ect) and then an old ship sails into New York harbor and Ka-Boom.
Instant economic disaster and kaos with 5M dead and no one will know were it came from... And the streets in Iran will be celebrating! And that woman broadcaster on North Korean News will be giggling like she was when she announced the nuclear test!
WOW! You are certainly arrogant. Yes, I hate communism and socialism and any leader who upholds such governments. THe people don't know any better, but so far you have successfully said NOTHING about the topic of this thread. And actually, America is a Republican Democracy:) Get YOUR facts straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
And NO, things politically do not change in 50 years. Russia and China still hate us and that was BEFORE the korean war. Why don't you come to the US before you socialists in Canada start assuming you know what we are about. (Socialist Canadians like you, not referring the population as a whole)
For North Korea, I am not sure there is anything we can do. Clinton had a great treaty with them except they broke it. The 6 nation talks with Korea offered them food, oil, raw materials and everything even a official relations with the US and diplimats in the US, but Korea refused to agree to any of the offers.
So I am not sure that there is anything we can do at this point but let them do what they want to do, or try and put some pressure on China to force Korea to do something ( they are the only ones with the power to make them do anything)
Iran, they just hate Isreal and the USA, not because we are in Iraq ( although that does not help) but only because we stand for freedom of choice, religion and speech. They have hated us before Clinton, during Clinton, during Bush and will still hate us no matter who is elected. They way they work at destroying the US will depend on the policies of those in power.
Iraq, US has a lot to do with setting them up in power and it just went bad, like who did not see it coming. And we also need a great base in that part of the world. And their area was a great training area for terrorist. I won't say we did not need to invade, since their people were little more than slaves to a evil dictator, but the issue is now, will they fight for their freedom or do they just want us to fight for them.
If they will not soon start fighting ( each person like we did in the US for our freedom) every man in Iraq should be lined up to join the police force to fight for his nation, unless something like this happens, honestly we need to pull out since we can't win the war for them, they have to win the war thierself.
And the nation you left out is Pakistain, they have atomic weapons already if I understand it correctly, a large percentage of their people support the terrorist groups, The military is divided in loyality, and most likley they are hiding some of the terrorist and was the reason many of the leaders escaped.
While they talk about being our friends, their actions don't show it a lot.
I think it is interesting how all of a sudden N Korea has threatened war if we impose sanctions on their country. I'd like to see that. They wouldn't last too long against russia, china, japan, s korea, and the US.
I think you are giving too much credit to China and Russia,
I don't think that N Korea would do anything with out at least a nod form China, since without them they have no fuel or raw material.
And Russia would like nothing more than to see China and Korea fight the US, which would leave them as someone to help supply mateials to various nations
You may find the comments in this thread of interest to you:
http://www.digg.com/politics/The_Tru...in_North_Korea
For the most part, no they do not. It is a quick footnote, but we do not spend much time learning about it at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSchultz0956
We spent more time learning about the assassination of your President Kennedy than the Korean war.
Yes, because we are all a bunch of socialist commies.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSchultz0956
Just because Canadians have different views than Americans, is no reason to put us down.
You don't here us calling you a fat, arrogant, lazy, opportunistic, selfish, greedy, unethical American, now do you?
That's OK, we didn't learn much about your country's government either... and I grew up in Detroit (a stone's throw from Windsor, Ontario).Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainForest
I think we just did. How is it that being a called a Socialist (aren't you?) warrants such name-calling?Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainForest
Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by tre_cani
Obviouslly you aren't familiar with sarcaism.
I have nothing against most Americans. A huge portion of my family are American and live there.
Just sometimes, certain people get on my nerves. I don't judge an entire country by the actions of a few.
You are right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by tre_cani
I was once in Florida on vacation when I was asked, "Where do you come from". I replied Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Then, they seriously asked me if I lived in an igloo.
Sometimes ignorance is sad, and with some people, it does exist.
Most of the time I try to stay out of voicing my opinions on US domestic issues, not always, sometimes.
But seeing the education system and other things in the US, I'm glad to be living in Canada. (some US states scare me, others are not at all bad)
The main reason that I believe Canadians take a 'let's sit back and watch approach', is because Canadians have nothing to worrry about. I mean, attacking Canada is worse than attacking 30 Afganistans.
Not only would a hostile force have to spread so thin to cover our vast wilderness, they would have to contend with scorching hot summer days followed by freezing cold winter night. Just the thought of having to deal with our Indian population would turn the average person off!
Meanwhile, our neighbor is a prize. Nice hot and easy environment. Well populated.
If you take Canada, you probably won't last a year (unless your from Siberia). If you take US, you've upset the world's balance of power! Also in US, you don't have to rebuild your igloo each year!
But not all Canadians are narrow minded and think only for themselves. Personally, I take the 'get them before they get you' approach. Even if the 'you' is US, not Canada!
I guess you might say that I'm a team player.
No, but I am familiar with sarcasm, which I hoped was evident in my response to your comments. Sorry for the misunderstanding. It must be that US educational system.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainForest
Make it simple, Korea is the puppet of China and Iran is a terrorist state. Both of these countries exploit and keep there people in ignorance and poverty so they can be manipulated for the goals of the ruling classes. What can be done? You don't want my answer.
The best way to get on with other nations, especially if gunnboat diplomacy and "bomb 'em into submission" policy has failed, is to make friend with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSchultz0956
Above all, be consistent. Don't just pick on the little easy to beat guys and nations, if you bomb Iraq because it is run by a tyrant who threatens the west, then you have to do the same to China. When white man speaks with forked tongue is made as plain as it has been with this WH, then it is time for a change.
Diplomacy is not the art of browbeating, but the art of understanding those who are different, and it does not involve thinking that your way is the only way, or that your ideas are the only good ones. No one likes a bully, and any foreign pooicy as clearly founded on brutishness as this WH's is needs removal and impeachment fior the danger and cost of lives it has brought into the world by its inane bumbling. Sure, NK is a threat, but why is it? Because it was named as part of the AXIS OF EVIL by the leader of another country who sought to marshall support for his ghastly actions and policies in the ME.
Although it is not considered red-blooded, it is manful to take the heat for one's own mistakes, and to calm the troubled waters of the world, instead of throwing around ultimata like a sailor on leave throws his cash aorund.
The USA needs statemanship, but its only got politicking.
My 2c
M:)
While that is mostly true, the now confirmed nuclear test that DPRK carried out (without China's approval) now causes a real problem in the region.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The DPRK has some very serious problems to deal with, but above all else they want regime survival. I don't think Kim Jong Il is crazy, I think he's pretty savvy in stirring up a hornets nest of trouble that gives him a card to play in trading appeasement for the survival of his government.
Well, as a last resort the U.S. can always nuclearize(build up) small nuclear weapons to South Korea & Japan.
The news is fresh every day & today it looks like the sanctions are promising towards the North K. It's just a shame that Kim Jong Il would have his people starve because of his defiance.
Meanwhile Pres. Of Iran still crying "hegemony!" regarding the U.S.'s influence in the U.N.
I think the leaders have to deal with the priorities of each day accordingly.
The N. Korea problem looks very promising to me. Iran looks "iffy" but not chaotic. Patience- I hope they both can be worked out diplomatically of course.
No way I buy China has no influence on N.Korea since they send a lot of food and fuel to them. Publicly China may disapprove but behind the scenes is another matter in my opinion. They bear watching. As for Iran I have no doubt that they have a hidden partner or to giving them support as well. Both of these small countries is seeking something with embarrassing us (US) as a tool to draw us into some kind of bad position. Hopefully the diplomats can resolve this ( IF Bush lets them) otherwise a lot of people will be in a lot of trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by phillysteakandcheese
Why world Leaders worry about N. Korea, Iraq, Iran having nuclear weapons?
Very simple , Those countries dose not have code of governing ethics. Single hand Controls of laws and commanding the country under dictatorship ,Leader of the country is above the law, no sense of security on other countries stability, Also No sense of value on Human life . For them destroying their So called enemy is destroying the people of the country. So do you think Nuclear weapons is suitable for them.
Today we all know N.Korea has 500% human rights violation and unbelievably number of people on hunger and extreme poverty. Most number of food and other essential products is import from Japan. They are in lack of Health facilities, children are dying with out food, basic medicine so on.
Sanction is not the answer. N.Korea knew if they test it they will face this. But the Leader of the nation did it.
He is happy , he is in lime light. Do you think? People of N. Korea want it. Unless they are asked to perform patriot action on behalf their leader.
Some of the USA's problems stem from its self appointed role as police of the world.
Once that role is assumed then world events must be responded to accordingly or else face is lost. Countries, such as England, and France can conveniently sit back and ignore certain events because they haven't tagged themselves as law enforcers and so no face is lost if they simply decide to look the other way. China, for example, and Russia, don't seem to react to world events with the same vehemence as our government does.
Perhaps this is because they leave that to the USA whom they know will jump right in if ever anyone as much as twitches a muscle without its consent.
England takes a stance as does Canada as well. We support US efforts in Afganistan and if our military was as mighty as the US, the news would focus in on our efforts as well.
Proof is the attempted terrorist attact on Englands international flights that was founded and spoiled by England's anti-terrorist division. If we want a society of democracy, everyone has to contribute and there has to be a leader. Just because US is the leader doesn't make them self-proclaimed.
We should be thankful that someone has stepped forward to take the stick before we crash!
I can't help wonder what a difference it could have made if diplomacy had been used instead of armies.
That doasn't negate the fact that the USA is the prime one expected to react decisivelyQuote:
Originally Posted by bhayne
Which takes the ultimate pressure off all other countries which could easily bow out if things get too hot. In fact, the USA even went above the advice of the United Nations and took the lead during the weapons of mass destruction issue. True, Canada and England and other countries follow its lead-but they can bow out easily if they choose and will not lose the amount of face that the USA will if it bows out after having gone through extensive posturing.
BVTW
I'm not taking sides in foreign policy issues one way or the other but merely responding to the question asked with whast I perceive to be a contributing factor to the present situation in which the USA finds itself. Nothing more.
Yes, but, unlike our current president, your Mounties "always get their man."Quote:
Originally Posted by bhayne
Anyone heard from bin Laden lately? How about it? Dudley Do-Right in 2008. Any votes?
It's got to be better than "Spudley Do-Wrong." :rolleyes: :)
About bin laden, it's quite hard to find a dead man! Look at Jimmy Hoffa, and he's somewhere in your own back yard!
As for 'the mounties always get their man'; well, where would their man go? I mean, the US has the death penalty, Russia and China just cut off your limbs and North Korea just shoot you on the spot- no questions.
In Canada, when your in jail you get time off to vote, widescreen TV in every cell with pay-per-view and a wage! The hardest decision for released criminals is whether to stick with Canada's lucrative social service or return to another loafer jail sentence!
Are you serious about the cutting off limbs as punishment in China and Russia?Quote:
Originally Posted by bhayne
Nations are like people. Some people respond to courtesy positivelely and othersQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Don't. Hitler for example viewed diplomacy as a weakness. Nevertheless, diplomacy is the preferable course of action in personal and international relations. It is truly a pity that mankind, the only creature able to reason on this planet is the very creature who threatens the existence of all life on earth due to its inability to settle things peacefully. In my opinion only divine intervention can ultimately bring peace to this earth. In the meantime nations will keep trying their best. But as history proves and as the present situation shows their best falls very far short. In fact, their best seems to be getting us deeper and deeper into trouble. It's like the animal that struggles to get out of the tar pit and only hastens his end by doing so..
I lost an Uncle in the Korean War... he died of a lost of blood... Lost a brother in the Vietnam conflict and a few uncles( some still have the ring of ears they were asked to collect) and cousin came home with mental illnesses and the government has shown little attention to the issues... a brother in law in the gulf war and cousins I had yet to meet are now crisis in the middle east... most important for everyone to remember who dead and give up their mental state... for the right to strive for perfection...
Canada participated in *South African - Boer War 1899-1902;World War1 1914-1919;World War 2 1939-1949;Korean War (Conflict) 1950-1953“Canada's role in the First World War and her 60,000 dead had earned her the right to” place any delegation at the peace table... so why are we not hearing something from Canada... it is true what is best for the United States is best for its bordered nations... if someone sends a dirty bomb this direction Canada and Mexico will feel it..
*http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmil/siberia/siberia5.htm
We should have we learned something from these wars... the enemy must be made clear... in this conflict... the enemy sometimes feels like ourselves...
I do feel that the west has placed method of poverty as a way of controlling a population... keeping them passive to the controlling authority issues which are: hating anything communist or socialist even through we have taken some of these ideas and melt them into our society (social security and kindergarten)... skin coloring and hair texture...
Poverty was created by the imperialist stand of the west... poverty creates despair and hopelessness... and it also creates a servitude bond to who ever offers a way out of the condition... of poverty... you have people willing to die instead of being bonded to servitude...
For example, within the minorities in the U.S... very few people in the world community respect American minorities because the ruling body has so disgraced and demeaned them.
Israel needs to keep none Zionist employed and Iraq's need to keep certain Muslims or Moslem groups suppressed... for what?. for all nations wants a suppressive minority group like America... after all it is a fashionable statement... every one wants a big dog...
If a nation desires to be ruled under the authority of the west they will have to stand behind or underfoot of the west's authority.
And if the west wants to give a relief... it is marked by the bill of rights. Voters rights for minorities in America (in under a time table and must be brought back to the table to be reexamined so many decades
... if you are of... Euro heritage no such legislation exist... that gives time tables and reexamination... of a Euro right...
If there is to be peace there must be a cleaning up of one's own neighborhood. Then the United States will sing we have overcome... we have over came it's years/century of bondage and needing of this servitude attitude... righteous movement... until that comes this bronze statue with a clay base... will all ways be recognize as such and treated as such...
Building a nation on hate (which is representative of clay)... there will be no peace... and no peace will exist in the middle east as long as they have an understanding that no nation with a weak leader... mark... an apology is necessary to give to world for the missed - guided action of our ancestors...
... the problem is false teachers of the faith on both sides... these people do not care whom they hurt
... the U.S. has it evangelical right also... starting with the religious leaders telling the population the world needs to be under the direction of Euro America and if no one sees it that way they need to die... prove wrong
... religion plays a role in humanity destruction... what is at the end of revelation and what are we to do with the religionist text once the prophecy had been fulfilled... throw them into the lake of fire... if a nation is ready to throw all religionist text into a lake of fire then we will see the beginning of heaven on earth...
Just an opinion...
Smaller or less-developed nations with a relatively small or inferior conventional militaries present a special problem for the very reason that their military capabilities are so limited.
Faced with a vastly superior enemy, what would be the logical expectation for a smaller country about to lose a war (and all that goes with that) that, while it could not prevail with conventional arms, had a nuclear device? Of course they would use it. Given the choice between defeat and employment of atomic weapons, most governments/militaries would quickly nuke their opponents.
Nuclear weapons are seen as the great equalizer by the leadership of many smaller, third-world, and developing nations. Indeed, the United States relied on exclusive possession of atomic weapons to keep the Soviet Union at bay without having to expend tremendous sums on conventional military forces. We had 'em, they didn't, what's the worst that could happen? It was like fistfighting, only your opponent has a gun and you don't... You can't really even try to beat him. That strategy worked until the U.S.S.R. with a little help from the Rosenbergs, got their own.
Fortunately, the answer to nuclear proliferation amongst smaller nations is quite simple. They want the weapons so as to keep larger, stronger nations (like ours) at bay. They need nukes because their conventional military is inadequate. The most effective solution, therefore, is to make it clear that the U.S. or, preferably, the U.S. and allies, will attack and destroy any facility believed to be utilized for the manufacture of such weapons
As soon as we detect that Country X has developed the ability to produce weapons grade material, or a delivery system readily usable for a nuclear strike, we will destroy your research and development facility, as well as any military installation known to be the base for personnel working with nuclear weapons - either the design/fabrication, research, or in a line unit to be armed with nukes - we destroy such facilities, quickly and completely, along with a degree of punitive damages, designed to discourage such policies.
What are they going to do? They wanted nukes because their conventional forces were inadequate to mess with us, so what are they going to do if we destroy their facilities? Exactly nothing, because they can't. That's why they wanted the weapons to begin with.
Gary,
That reasoning could explain why the US is so hated.
GaryArt, They could hi-jack a plane and run it into..!
They could blow up a subway system during rush hour.
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Originally Posted by Starman
"Losing face" is an oriental characteristic that has become very important to President Bush. He will send thousands more to their deaths rather than admit he was wrong in judgement, wrong in action, wrong in strategy, and wrong in his forecasts.
The Iraq War will, in the future, be referred to as "The War of George W Bush's Pride," of "The War Of Bush's Folly."
Even some republicans are seeing the light.
M:)
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Originally Posted by Starman
I think not. Muslim countries under Sharia Law use amputation as punishments. In severer cases, decapitation.
China slaughters its citizens each year - numbered in the thousands - for capital offenses that in the West carry only custodial, probationary, or financial penalities. How's that for denial of human rights? Isn't it time that the US insisted that China democratise, or else suffer invasion to force democracy on them, a la Iraq?
Will Bush stand by and let Tyrannical China crush Democratic Taiwan (Formosa)?
Remember the Bushamo!
M:)
Yet Bush was reelected in preference of a candidate who opposed the war in Iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morganite
Which seemed to indicate that those who voted were in agreement with his policies.
Now we hear that most Americans disagree with his policies. Could these be the very ones who reelected him? If so what did they expect from him on his second term since he was very clear that he was going to continue along the same lines.
Perhaps he sincerely believes himself to be right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Morganite
Bush's decision, according to him, was his being misinformed about the presence of weapons of mass destruction. Once he knew there were no weapons of mass destruction, however, he shifted gears and claimed that it was America's duty to liberate Iraq from an oppressive dictatorship. This was a policy tantamount to nation building and one which he had previously said that America was not in the business of.-a shift of policy which was never satisfactorily explained during press conferences where it was repeatedly brought up.
The situation reminds me of the Roman Empire's attempt to conquer and pacify the Iberian Peninsula after the defeat of Carthage for the sake of national security. It took Rome two-hundred years of on and off bloody warfare. However, the Roman population encouraged the struggle to go on regardless of the cost which turned out to be very high in terms of human life.
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Originally Posted by Morganite
What irks me about the present policy is it's blatant bold-faced inconsistency.
On the one hand Cuba is denied commerce with the USA and other nations are discouraged from doing trade with Cuba via warnings of foreign aid withdrawal because it is communist. Meanwhile a thriving business with China goes on and foreign aid offers are made to North Korea. How is the Cuban government supposed to make any sense of this-not to mention China and Korea themselves whom I imagine smirking? If indeed Cuba is being punished for being communist while China and Korea and even perhaps Viet Nam are not, as Russia certainly wasn't during the Cold War when surplus wheat was sold to them, then the claim that the punishment of Cuba is connected to communism and its violations of human rights becomes unbelievable and one begins to suspect another motive.
About invasion of China, that would be far more costly than invasion of Iraq. China has nuclear weapons pointing our way right now and would use them against our cities and our armies as well if it came to their being defeated in conventional terms. My visit there revealed it to be an emerging USA type power in Asia. That's the impression I got and which was later confirmed via research.
Excerpt:
China's Military Capabilities
Frank W Moore, IDDS Research Analyst
June 2000
Intercontinental Nuclear Forces
China currently maintains a minimal intercontinental nuclear deterrent using land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs). The Dong Feng-5 (DF-5) liquid-fueled missile, first deployed in 1981, has a range of 13,000 km and carries a single multi-megaton warhead. Twenty are believed to be deployed in central China, southwest of Beijing. Unlike China's earlier ballistic missiles, which were stored in caves and moved out for launch, the DF-5 can be launched directly from vertical silos—but only after a two-hour fueling process. In order to increase the survivability of the DF-5s, dummy silos are placed near the real silos. The DF-5's range gives it coverage of all of Asia and Europe, and most of the United States. The south-eastern US states are at the edge of the missile's range.
Two additional long-range ballistic missiles are in the development stage, the 8,000 km DF-31 and the 12,000 km DF-41. Both missiles are expected to be solid-fueled and based on mobile launchers. It is not known how many missiles China plans to deploy nor how many warheads the missiles may carry, but it is believed that China is hoping to deploy multiple nuclear warheads and penetration aids. These may be either multiple re-entry vehicles (MRVs) or the more capable, but technically difficult multiple independently-targetable re-entry vehicles (MIRVs). First deployment for the DF-31 could occur before 2005; the DF-41 is likely to follow, possibly around 2010.2
China's nuclear-armed naval forces are currently limited to one Xia Type 092 nuclear-powered and nuclear ballistic missile-equipped submarine (SSBN), which has a history of reactor and acoustic problems. The Xia can carry 12 Ju Lang-1 (JL-1) SLBMs with a single 200-300 kt warhead and a range of 1,700 km. Due to its technical limits, the Type 092 is never deployed outside regional waters.
http://www.comw.org/cmp/fulltext/iddschina.html
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/China/ChinaArsenal.html
BTW
I almost lost my life at the hands of Beijing airport taxi and hotel reservation employee ruffians who went about as if no law at all existed there. Strange for a land which punishes crime so severely
I think we have to somehow find a way or ways to communicate with those leaders that threaten us, I am opposed to "direct" negotiation with them however and don't quite know why I think that way - I surmise that I dislike dealing with radicals, but I am sure there are ways to communicate through others. Remember the Cuban Missile Crisis and how we communicate with the Russians ? Through an American journalist talking with a Russian diplomat at a restaurant in the US. The journalist told the Russian diplomat that in return for us removing warheads from Turkey, the Russians would remove already armed warheads from Cuba and shelve their plans to install more missles in Cuba. The diplomat asked with what authority the journalist was speaking and the journalist replied from the "highest' American authority. Without lines communication open we somehow become fearful of each other.
"It is the fault of limited minded people that supported this war with Iraq... no one asked questions... former Secretary of State Powell... showed a clip to the united nations... he showed a truck... and he stated that this truck was carrying questionable substance... no one challenged the information... later after viewing the clip... the truck was a fire truck... Iraq President committed an act against humanity by killing women and men and children... for nothing more than... he heard that someone in that neighborhood hated him... Bush has one issue on his plate the attack against U.S. interest... Bush should have focused... and never minded the words of a this man S.H.. . his neighbors had him at check... those who voted Bush man back into office are responsible for the chaos... Not giving the attention this important issues with care... another important point... he made this decision... what the failure... no support of the troops... never send a soldier out without back up... and reinforcement... this is the problem with this war... it is as if.. . this administration is sending troops out just to keep the people angry... the war is oil and oil control means controlling the U.S... the question... why would Americans believe that a slimy substance could control their home... why would American allow others to tell them that this miss is needed to keep this nation safe... as Thomas Jefferson once supported that a revolt is need every 75 y ears... we are not technical challenged nation... we have other means in getting around... history will take his campaign slogan that he does not change his mind... his un moveable... he hates negative opinions about himself... then he should not have become president... the story about running a car into a garage door... because of something said that he did not like... this is the President... he did made a decision... on Iraq... after all they threaten his daddy... there is nothing wrong with him loving his daddy... but threats happens like this goes with the office... that is why the secret service is in business... he needed not to place those that he had sworn to protect in danger unnecessary... this action is more than recklessness... it was a deception... More like G.W.'s deception...Quote:
Losing face" is an oriental characteristic that has become very important to President Bush. He will send thousands more to their deaths rather than admit he was wrong in judgement, wrong in action, wrong in strategy, and wrong in his forecasts.
The Iraq War will, in the future, be referred to as "The War of George W Bush's Pride," of "The War Of Bush's Folly."
The other issue... “... oriental characteristic... ” is an inviolable, and taboo term... offensive for people of Asian descent... diversity training...
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Originally Posted by LUNAGODDESS
very few people in the world community respect American minorities due to the fact that the ruling body has so disgraced and demeaned them.
This is absolutely untrue. The outside world (!) does not rely on the media or the govermnent for their information an dopinions, to suggest that it does is demeaning to everyone who is not American is as opprobrious as it is unaccurate. Get out of that Yankeee Bubble.
Non-Americans do not all live in the stone age, in mud huts, caves, or swamps, grubbing for a living in the dirt and unaware of what is going on in the world. The 'outside' world is extremely well educated, can spell better than Americans, is more informed of global; katters, and is more savvy than you gove them credit for.
Someone's eyes need to be opened much wider to see the world as it really is and not as described in the "Dead Man's Gulch Reporter" newspaper.
M:)RGANITE
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Unfortunately, most non-American alies do!Quote:
Originally Posted by Morganite
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Originally Posted by bhayne
You are either mad or ignorant if you believe that. That has to be the silliest thing I have ever heard.
BTW - all allies have to be 'non-American.'
You will provide a lits of the mud hut dwellers, yes?
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