McCain who has already campaigned from the center and needs to convince the right wing that he is the best candidate left for them ?
Or
Obama and Evita who have drifted further left and the campaign progressed trying to attract the wing ?
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McCain who has already campaigned from the center and needs to convince the right wing that he is the best candidate left for them ?
Or
Obama and Evita who have drifted further left and the campaign progressed trying to attract the wing ?
McCain is the favorite if he packages and markets correctly, and the economy behaves.
I agree. I think McCain will be the candidate.
And I think that if Hillary is the candidate for the Dems then McCain will win.
... UNLESS the Dem ticket is Hillary/Obama or Obama/Hillary.
McCain. I think his resurgence has shown security is still crucial to Americans and they will not accept surrender, they find his candor and the fact he's not the panderer the others are refreshing, and they're looking for a strong leader - not a bunch of obscure rhetoric, "change" and "Day One" slogans.
Whether we like it or not one of McCain's strengths is his appeal to independents and moderates and he is the only candidate on either side to take a commanding lead. Add Hillary's character issues and Obama's inexperience and vague plans for change to the fact the Dems are running the most liberal and 16th most liberal Senator of last year and I think McCain is a lock.
I heard someone say McCain's turning point was the Bhutto assassination and it could be, Americans do not want to trust Evita or Obama with their security. Do you? Anyone?
It's going to get ugly though, the DNC is already running with showing "the American people that he's (McCain) not who they think he is" and portraying a win for him as "nothing more than a third Bush term." The GOP hasn't even begun to fight Hillary or Obama and that bodes well for McCain if the GOP will get behind him and give him some time to just be McCain while the Dems battle each other.
On the other hand the Democratic grass roots has become a machine and I think the Republican side is way behind in that area.
Steve
I will wager that more will be made of McCain's anger problem than Hillary's; the press will not treat him fairly.
That's definitely a no-brainer, they'll be brutal before long.Quote:
Originally Posted by George_1950
I'm not concerned about the DNC attacks on him . I'm more concerned about unfair attacks by NewsMax ,other conservatives and Vets groups who plan to smear him .
John McCain's Temper Preceded Vietnam
Newsmax.com - Limbaugh Keeps Up Fire on McCain
Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain
Yep, and they might as well get used to the thought of him being the nominee. They aren't going to get their guy - whoever he is - back in the race unless it's as VP.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hellooooo:
Is anybody home?? It's the WAR, people! Your party is busted beyond recognition. HALF your party HATES the nominee. The other half might just vote for the Democrat.
Whomever the Democrats nominate will sweep the boards. Plus, they're going to get their 61 seat majority back in the senate and take a lot more house seats.
Bush has soooo screwed you, it's going to take YEARS for you to recover.
excon
Isn't nothing like the prospect of Broom Hilda in the White House to unify the Republicans .
It definitely trumps my reservations of McCain :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
It appears John McCain will be the nominee, but this is not sitting well for the Republican party. Huckabee's support appears to have only strengthened and it's very telling that both Paul and himself are continuing in the race. McCain, provided he's not railroaded by his own party and ends up with the nomination, had better pick a very fiscal conservative partner that's also somewhat of social conservative. At this point I think short of Ronald Reagan resurrecting from the dead or Hillary disenfranchising Barack's supporters, we will have a Democrat president.
Bobby
It will end up McCain vs. Obama.
**EDIT**
Obama will win.
McCain vs Clinton. Clinton will win.
McCain vs Clinton, McCain. Too much Hillary antipathy.
McCain vs Obama. Obama if 1] the money keeps coming in and 2] the "youth" actually vote.
You make an important point about the youth vote. To illustrate it ;the girl who had a YouTube hit about having a crush on Obama was a no show at the NJ Primary(a State Obama lost ) . She claimed she got sick on a plane back from the superbowl... but that did not stop her from attending a party Super Tues night.
It's amazing how you simply cannot get past the fact that she's a woman. It permeates your every comment about that candidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Mcain vs. Hillary ( I still don't understand why she's referred to as Broom Hilda... I honestly don't see her acting any different than any of the other candidates. I actually asked about the Broom Hilda Term on another thread and did get good responses but how does one know the negative stories are true?)
There are times I think Hillary will be going against McCain but the past couple of days
Seemed like Obama is picking up great momentum.
So I guess it's a toss up. But if push comes to shove...
McCain vs. Hillary
With Hillary winning.
Actually I usually use Evita or Madame Defarge (who knitted the names of people she would deal with later in a quilt) ;just thought I'd change it up with Broomhilda . But if you prefer I will use Hillary Rotten Clintoon .
Evita is my preferred name because she is reminiscent of former First Lady of Argentina Eva Peron ;who also latched onto an up and coming politician ;furthered her own ambitions through the relationship and tired to parley her connection into elected office.
That is Hillary's bio in a nutshell. She actually has succeeded far beyond what Eva Peron did (she died before her ambition was realized ) . But Evita was much more beloved in her country (there is hope for us yet) .
She has been an integral part of the Clintoon political machine. She ran interference for hubby when " bimbo eruptions " (their description of the many women who accused him of assault /rape or other sexual perversions )threatened to derail his political rise. Who can forget her blaming the Monica Lewinsky scandal on the "vast right wing conspiracy " .
During her time in the White House she was given a task of reforming Health care . Her radical leftist solutions would've been a disaster and the country realized it . She bungled the effort so badly that she was never given any other serious issue to manage beyond as I said ,the Clinton sexcapades.
Yet , she moved like a carpetbagger to New York after their term and browbeat other Democrats like JFK Jr. who were planning on a Senatorial run to back off.
She got lucky in that Rudy got prostrate cancer and had to bow out of the race . There were no other Republicans with the name recognition who could compete with her in the state. Still Rick Lazio made a good effort.
But during their debate there was an incident that illustrated how she would handle the gender issue. Lazio approached her podium and asked her to sign a pledge to not use "soft money " during the campaign . The incident was treated by her and the NY Slimes and other press as Lazio "muscling into her space" . Lazio's actions were later pronounced to be "almost like a physical assault.....a huge turnoff to women."
The Election: It Took a Woman; How Gender Helped Elect Hillary Clinton - New York TimesQuote:
MR. PENN also said Mrs. Clinton benefited most famously during the first of three debates when Mr. Lazio strode over to her side of the stage, waved a paper in her face and demanded she sign it to disavow the use of soft money in her campaign. ''You cannot be in a woman candidate's face,'' said Celinda Lake, a Democratic pollster who is researching the nature of the women's vote. ''Women feel like guys are always in their face like that. It's almost like a physical assault. It's a huge turnoff to women.''
Bingo... she forever has the female victim gender card at her disposal ;and she has used it very effectively in this race . Every time she sheds a tear her approval rating goes up.
Maureen Dowd ;one of the leading voices for women's rights in the press figued this out a couple of months ago.
Gift of Gall - New York TimesQuote:
If the gender game worked when Rick Lazio muscled into her space, why shouldn't it work when Obama and Edwards muster some mettle? If she could become a senator by playing the victim after Monica, surely she can become president by playing the victim now.
She played the men against the helpless women very effectively when John Edwards was still in the race. After one of their debates she complained to Katie Couric that the men were using a "buddy System"against her.
Clinton On Her Win, Rivals' "Buddy System", Hours After Her N.H. Win, Comeback Clinton Raps Her Opponents - CBS News
She later returned to Wellesley College and in a speech said :
Before her New Hampshire win she said during a debate that she had "her feelings hurt" during the debate, followed by suitably downcast eyes and said "... but I'll get over it." I am convinced that her girlie act was what helped her defeat Obama in New Hampshire. New Hampshire women over 40 years old defied the pundits, and rushed to the polls in untold droves to vote for their trampled, tired sister.Quote:
"In so many ways, this all-women's college prepared me to compete in the all-boys club of presidential politics."
As Dowd points out you can't have it both ways .You can't both be tough enough to be the President and then pull out the helpless women act when it suits the purpose.
It is of course very manipulative .But that has been a halmark of Hillary's life. She weeps when she is attacked(even though she claims to disdain appearances of emotion) ;meanwhile she sends her attack dog hubby and his goons all over the country to smear her opponents . Her operatives have played the race card against Obama ;the drug use card , and were one of the first to suggest that he has some deep dark secret that he is a Muslim in the closet card .
That is just one of the many problems I have with her. She is a scary person. How did FBI files end up in her White House offices and what did she do with them ? Why is it that many of the leading Democrats like Mark Warner of Va. Back out of this race because "he wanted to spend more time with his family " ?
She knew that New York's Orthodox and Hasidic communities would be a hard sell, as they were expressing their personal dislike for her and her positions, particularly regarding Israel. During her Senate race she campaigned in the conservative Hasidic community of New Square where she met with community leader Rabbi Twersky .All the polls showed Lazio having a comfortable lead in the community before her meeting .But election results showed that Hillary won by over 99% of the vote 1359 to 10 .What Happened ?
Turns out that 4 members of the community were convicted of starting up a fake religious school and embezzeled $40 million in Pell grants . Guess what... hubby added these 4 criminals to his end of term pardon list just 1 month after Hillary won . Oh and how did 2 similar Hasidic communities in the area vote ? Lazio won them 3500 to 150 . Quid pro quo ? I think so.
I could go on and on . How did she make a killing in cattle futures scandal ; Whitewater scandal; Records from her law firm disappearing and ending up in her office ;the horrible way she treated her secret service contingent ;the many campaign finance scandals she has been involved in.. I just don't have enough time to detail all of the problems I have with her.
Wow Tom,
That's a lot of work you did and I thank you. I will take the time to read and hopefully absorb what is there.
I'd really like to get a grip and clear vision of many things. This being one. So I will consider your great efforts another resource to consider.
When the news is on - hubby translates for me... bless his soul he means well, but I can't get my head around some of it so I end up not knowing what to think.
Thank you!
Hello again, All:
Yeah, that tom is a great researcher. She sure ain't great...
But, I'll make your decision an easy one for you. If you like the war in Iraq, McCain is your man. If you don't, Hillary is your chick.
excon
Ex - I still have to read all of Tom's research.
But that's how I was leaning towards Hillary or Obama. So I was focusing on Hillary to start and watched her speak, I like how she handled herself, the things I understood her to say, I liked, so I was starting to feel good.
But then there seems to be this underground static associated with her. But then there is any canadate I guess.
Anyway, I have homework to do :).
One thing I do know, is I do not want this war anymore. I want them home.
Hillary said in a structred manner - she was going to start bringing them home and McCain said, well you all know what he said.
Thanks Ex
I like Obama, because he's not like all the others and a change is definetely needed. Too bad about Ron Paul.
Are you so sure about what she will do?. or for that matter what Obama will do ? Oh they say they will withdraw all right but when they were pinned down during the debates none of the Democrats would commit to withdrawal even as late as the end of their 1st 4 year term. Both Hillary and Obama also have pledged long term US presence in the region... perhaps not in Iraq.. they prefer to use vague terms like strategic withdrawal to places in the periphery .
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I like him too and the expereince thing, I think is actually a no thing. He can just surround himself with outstanding individuals, like they all try and do.
Hillary caught my interest on a couple of issues and I wanted to examine them both.
Actually, I took the poll on the web, even though it was dated it came out
1) Obamba
2) HIllary
3) McCain
I used to LOVE McCain and it's not like I dislike him, but some things just need to end.
McCain's whole "100 year war in Iraq" statement is a big turnoff.
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Originally Posted by tomder55
See this is what sends me in a swirl.
Why can't they just say what the are actually going to do... If the win, then the American people are fully behind them... If they don't... then there policies are NOT what the American people want, so concede the loss and count their millions and go do good somewhere else.
Why do they have to make is so darn difficult. I know it's naïve to want an open and upfront canadate by darn, they get you to vote for them and then just run and do what they want anyway? How is that a democracy.
How gosh darn hard would it be to stand up and say what they truly wish to do.
Is it more complicated than that? Am I oversimplifing?
Yeah, it means he won't cut and run, he'll do whatever it takes. That is a really big turnoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Excellent, tom. Speaking of the Jewish community and Hillary, this is how Jonah Goldberg described her sudden onset of emotions:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
LOL, exactly right. He's also right on the differences between the Democratic and Republican races. For Republicans "at least it’s an argument about something." For the Dems, "a campaign about nothing."Quote:
Hillary, meanwhile, is staying aloft largely through her ability to guilt-trip female liberals into sticking with her. Her cultivated weepiness and dour lamentations about how she’s been so picked on sometimes make it seem like she’s setting up a political version of one of those “how-does-a-Jewish-mother-change-a-lightbulb?” jokes. Answer: “It’s all right; I’ll just sit in the dark.”
Recall how her crying jag in New Hampshire, which apparently turned things around for her, was all about how important it is to her to be president. Message: vote for Obama; I’ll just sit here in the dark. Indeed, I’ve lost count of how many stories I’ve heard on public radio about Democratic women deciding to vote for Hillary out of guilt.
You guys are the biggest mud slingers on this board that for sure. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Before I wish you all a good day - I do once again want to thank you for your patience on this thread and the 9/11 thread. Also for your time and sharing all that knowledge you possess, which you have worked very hard for, but I also feel you all are very gifted.
You may sit on opposite sides of some of the issues, or maybe all the issues but you have something in common and that is incredible brillance. You all are very talented and how good of you to share it. Whether you know it or not you encourage each other to push further and want better.
What a great country that we live in, as well as those similar to ours, where debates like this can freely exsist.
I thank you again. I will take my Hilliary information home and read up and see what the young lady has been up to :).
Enjoy the day and keep bringing out the best in each other.
Thanks guys.
Sorry I am so sappy - but a little sugar never hurt anyone.
Behave :)
I didn't write it, I just reported it. You're more than welcome to rebut him :DQuote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Get ready for it… Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States. Barring some unforeseen mistake on his part; anybody running against him looks weak and boring. Poor Hillary and she thought this was her year.
How do I know this, I don't, but I do believe it. The strange thing is I initially didn't expect to see him get past Super Tuesday. He will get Ohio and possible Texas in spite of the Hispanic vote.
Yeah I saw his campaign HQ in Texas today in the news. It has a banner of Che Guevara prominently displayed .
He doesn’t miss a lot... Che Guevara, great choice:p he is way ahead in the fundraising race and that speaks loud in itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
His new campaign slogan "Che you can believe in "
Guess he is not counting on picking up that Florida delegation. But he is trying to make inroads with the Hispanic community ? Not sure putting up a flag with a cult like Marxist psychotic is such a good idea... diverts attention from his rock star status.
Yeah, though communism may have lost its fire, he remains the potent symbol of rebellion and the alluring zeal of revolution.
Little Green Footballs has the images:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...CheHouston.jpg
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...heHouston2.jpg
They also have his response:
Reportedly however, “Paid staffers for the Obama campaign are expected to man the offices by the end of the week.”Quote:
“The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign.”
Also, lyrics for the National Anthem at Obama rallies will be changed to "Oh, Che can you see..." :D
Steve
P.S. In case any of you young Obama supporters don't know about Che, Mike Adams offers a little insight.
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