Since George W. Bush is nearing the end of his term, what do you think his legacy will be?
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Since George W. Bush is nearing the end of his term, what do you think his legacy will be?
Short term, still negative but I think looking back 30 years from now, he will be seen a much better light.
Restoring honor to the white house by not soiling a pair of pants in the oval office?
Sorry... I almost leaked beer out my nose laughing as I wrote that.
Ummm... time heals a lot, like fr chuck said. Who the hell knows what iraq will become? If it dramatically changes the landscape of the middle east, it'll soften the image. If iraq falls apart, its hard to say... will it be his fault for destabilizing the area or will it be the fault of the next person(s) who didn't "finish the job?"
As iraq goes, so goes the bias?
I think he will be seen, even 30 years from now the worst president ever in american history.
Billions of dollars in dept. Going into war under false evidence of weapons. There is a long list that I could go on. The american economy blows and they are not going to see above the waters for a long time because they focused on a war that should have never took place.
I'm discontent with his presidency overall. I don't think he was a good president by any stretch of the imagination, but looking back, let's say twenty years down the road, I probably wouldn't label him bad, just somewhat incomplete. The guy got into office with less than half of our nations voting populace in support following a lengthy national election that took too long to sort out (and even included the Supreme court). Shortly after being in office he was saddled with a huge burden of 9/11. I give him good marks for Afghanistan and poor marks for his strategic measures in Iraq. Second term the guy got saddled with natural disasters, i.e. Katrina. I think he reacted fairly the same as any other president would had in most of the calamities. His tinkering with the economy was average at best, loaning us our own money to see it taxed again, along with cutting interest rates several times. I give him mostly negative marks for the amount of bankruptcies filed and for a housing market that we saw peak, only to have increasing foreclosures to pursue. This lead to new tighter restrictions on mortgage broker loans. It took the pressure of most of the nation pondering what's taken him so long before seeing the minimum wage finally increased. Gas prices are ridiculous and having a presence in the Mid-East region of the world, to the contrary, has shown no oil benefit. To Bush's credit though, since his very first term, he has challenged the large car manufacturers to come up with alternative fuels. I think die-hard Republicans were mostly disappointed with his immigration reach-out that most people recognized as a form of amnesty. Overall because of the circumstances that happened during his presidency, a fair amount beyond his control, I'm grading him with a "C+."
Bobby
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Originally Posted by Jesushelper76
Worst ? Come on now, even though he is a friend, can we all say
JIMMY CARTER
Really? The prez is now responsible for bad mortgage loans??
I voted for the guy twice, and almost puked the second time, but the dem had a wacko and a liar so it sucked to be me.
But really... the prez had NOTHING to do with the mortgage fiasco.
When the hell are PEOPLE going to take responsibility for their own bad financial decisions?
A lot of lenders made bad, bad decisions. They should be held responsible too... a lot of financially responsible IDIOTS took out loans they couldn't sustain.
But I don't hold the president of a company responsible if there's no toilet paper in the stall.
Get real.
I think he has been a puppet, a shill for greedy people who have their own agenda.
I am talking about the debt caused by the governments policies, war policies, world policies. These are not debt caused by the people but by the government.
P.S. Wondergirl maybe your right. Puppet for greedy people. Still the President.
I am grading him with F, a big capital F. I guess I should also blame the people have voted him in twice. For being duped. Each time.
Instead of blaming the dems for having a decent candidate on the ballot... that's all I needed...
And I do agree iraq never should have happened.
I said to my wife, when colin powell was in front of the un with wmd "evidence" I didn't care. Iraq wasn't right... that was long before the truth came out, and long before the dems started reversing their positions.
I have a friend who is iranian. I knew from him what war with iraq would mean.
But I voted for him the second time because we were there, like it or not, and the dems had a guy I didn't trust.
Unfortunately the gop did too.
Hello E:
He's the worst I've ever seen, and I been around since Roosevelt. Of course, I think the world will agree with me.
excon
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Originally Posted by kp2171
Nope. What you witnessed was the unbridled power of the lenders shafting people because the system was available to them, and that my friend came to a head under his presidency. And after it was too late, in conjunction with Ben Bernanke and Alan Greenspan's input, the President did his best to correct the snowball effect that was inevitable. Those sham lending services and offices have been closed down in Las Vegas. I suspect the same in your neighborhood. As for toilet paper, thankfully the President finally stopped the $h!++!ng and got off his pot. ;)
Bobby
He definitely is the worse ever. He makes even President Pierce look good and that poor man was one of the most forgettable presidents we ever had.
The bad dream will be over soon... maybe we can forget this man.
Hope he enjoys his retirement in South America.
Well... the American citizens did reelect him. Even though I'm a democrat, for lack of a better party, I think George Dubya has done a fine job. He has stuck to his guns. What exactly does he care about I'm not sure; probably the bottom line, but he speaks like I do and I look at him as a regular guy even though I know he probably is not.
He has led the country through two wars and a recession; amongst other things.
I am ready for a different perspective however.
And hasn't listened to the American people. Just "full steam ahead..." no matter what the polls say or the WH email/ground mail brings in. "My way or the highway."Quote:
Originally Posted by EIFS EXPERT
Two wars and a recession that he started or was a catalyst for.Quote:
He has led the country through two wars and a recession
I wanted to spread the love to wondergirl on her post, but was not able to.Quote:
Originally Posted by EIFS EXPERT
The fact is George Dubya, Why do you think they call him Dubya, and if you base the fact that you talk like him well then I will call you Mr.Swift.
I will say the same thing. He (George is the one that caused the recession by putting all the money the country does not have into a wars that should never of even happened.
Night.
I think the biggest positive coming to our nation through his two terms is the greater respect I see in people for our military personnel. My brother has served once under his father and three times in Iraq for Dubya. As proud Americans, no matter how we view our country's past presidents, being a US citizen is a wonderful privilege.Quote:
Originally Posted by EIFS EXPERT
Bobby
I don't give a dam if he's in the pocket of oil or big biz or whatever...
The mortgage crisis is because people are idiots about their own finances.
Yes... the lenders made greedy, dumb mistakes. But that does NOT excuse joe public for being responsible for his own debt.
At what point are you willing to stand up for something? At what point does a person bear responsibility for their own actions?
I could have bought a home for 200K more than I did.
I educated myself. I ran the numbers. I knew I could do more, but id be better off where I am.
So... play the fricking martyr all you want...
People who do not understand money and then flail about when they are "screwed" because of their financial decisions are idiots.
Darwin says so.
I don't agree with the war and I think 100 million dollars a day will have been better spent on the homeless or on children's textbooks or even paying disabled vets for missing limbs. That said said, he has shown that a little cojones is what's needed when dealing with people that want to kill us westerners.
Wondergirl: good point! To clarify what I'm speaking of is the times we live in. I think our nation learned this time to love our military and not blame them, in regards to the poor treatment many of our soldiers got coming back from Vietnam. That our pride and respect was renewed despite the circumstance, not that Bush could ever give us that quality which we already had, being proud Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Bobby
I disagree, sort of...
While I love my military, I don't think we have the support that is stated here...
I'm not saying its like it was w vietnam... we don't have "baby killer" protesters lined up at the airport..
But I also don't think we are giving our servicemen and women the support they deserve. At least en masse.
I think its more of a cold acceptance is some cases.
But that only my limited experience. It's a big country, and I live in a little part of it.
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Originally Posted by kp2171
Darwin studied birds on islands without mortgages. What the hell does "darwin" have to do with this post. And what was the "fricking martyr" comment about? I bought a house and turned a low six digit profit in a matter of three years and I didn't screw anyone in the process. Your statement that the lenders made dumb mistakes gave me the biggest laugh of the day. The lenders were not dumb, they knew exactly what they were doing. When your neighbor is effected, out of their own ignorance or being shammed by mortgage thugs, it effects the specs in your neighborhood.
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Bobby
What a surprise. You disagree, "sort of." Two, three, perhaps five percent? By far the majority of Americans are proud of our servicemen. Even the candidates that want immediate pullout or phased withdraw out of Iraq wouldn't even whisper such to the contrary. With all due respect, the public on average is light years ahead of how our Vietnam soldiers were treated.Quote:
Originally Posted by kp2171
Bobby
I think our service men and women are getting shafted. They always have and always will.
Hmmm... survival of the fittest has nothing to do with nothing...
If you took on an arm at the very top of your available lending amount, I think you are ignorant.
I'm not saying YOU, I'm saying the person that did it. And the also the lender.
People who are getting creamed in the real estate market oftentimes have themselves to blame.
Maybe I'm just more conservative than others. Maybe I've just placed a priority on livng below my means in order to invest.
And if the darwin reference really threw you that much, we have little to say to each other.
Yes... as a double major in bio and chem I do understand Darwin wasn't talking to the finches about arm's. Duh.
Are you really b!tching about the fact I think our servicemen and women don't get the public support they deserve?
Clueless.
Uh... people running for election say what the hell ever they think they need to... gop or dem.
OK.. lets replace "martyr" with "whining b!tch"...
Again... if you made a really bad financial decision, such as borrowing WAY more than you should have, expecting home prices to ALWAYS go skyrocketing higher..
I think YOU are the number one person to blame.
I think no matter how many banks want to court me, I'm going to make a decision based on fiscal responsibility.
Now.. in the spirit of the thread, prez bush is an idiot on this matter... but so are many of the people who thought buying real estate when its red hot at its top dollar.
Like it or not, the people who signed their names to bad decisions are, in part to blame...
That doesn't mean to prez isn't an idiot.
Kp2171- I said a small percentage, perhaps five or less, which is by far lesser than the Vietnam dynamic.Quote:
Originally Posted by kp2171
Now if your going to make a comment, just explain yourself. For example: a passing statement about "Darwin," which may have meaning, reads like gibberish. Sorry if you get offended with your double major bio and chem degree blah blah blah, but I need to understand your reasoning. It may actually be relative to the post. If you could just back up your statements with something tangible, I'd be glad to accommodate having a civil discussion. I've tried, but you don't seem to know how.Quote:
Originally Posted by kp2171
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Originally Posted by kp2171
No, let's not. Let's speak in terms of respect, not adolescence. Those people, for the most part were ignorant, but many were taken advantage of. And again the bigger picture is that it still effects YOU. You do live in a neighborhood.
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Originally Posted by kp2171
You're contradicting yourself. Those mortgage companies, earlier, YOU said some are greedy. That was MY point.
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Originally Posted by kp2171
I know YOU don't understand this, but some people have to be protected from themselves because of predator loan sharks. While I read the fine print, often young first time buyers and little grandmothers sometime don't, nor do they often understand loan terms.
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Originally Posted by kp2171
I've got to go now and bless my son a good night. I have a long day of ahead of me at the credit office tomorrow, in the department where I work. I won't waste any more time on this post and quite frankly I'm bored with the dialogue. So I'll call it a night. Please take what I've mentioned as constructive criticism, if you will. It seems when this post started that I was one of the few, if not the only one so far, that gave a detailed general analysis of some good things and bad things that has involved Bush's presidency. Again I'm grading him a "C+"; he's not the best I've seen, nor the worst. :cool:
Bobby
Bad.
He went after Saddam, solely for the fact that he had a vendetta with him.
He stomped all over the UN.
He's a sociopathic, dyslexic, inarticulate greedy bastard who had everything in life paid for by daddy.
Dodged the draft.
Made sure all his cronies got rich.
He stole the 2000 election, granted nader should take some of the blame for not dropping out.
This is just off the top of my head so I'm sure the list goes on and on.
If you think this guy was a good president you have your head way up your a$$
I think that history will look on him generally in a good light. He will end his Presidency ;like Truman ,with very low approval ratings. Like Truman he will be graded better by history because people will realize that both entered their
Presidencies having to redefine our foreign policy . The Bush doctrine on how to deal with the jihadists war on civilization ;like the Truman doctrine's defining how to deal with global Communism will be the template that future Presidents use .
Economically he piloted us through the twin hits of the tech bubble bust and the economic effects of the attack on 9-11-2001 . Because of his policies we have had one of the largest ,resilient ,and longest economic recoveries and growth . I know it is popular to now forecast doom and gloom but here is some of what was accomplished.
Household net worth increased in 2007. At the start of 2007, net worth was $56.1 trillion. By the third quarter, this climbed to $58.6 trillion and probably rose again in the fourth quarter. Even in the face of the housing-market bust, economic growth was a solid 2.5 percent. Job creation was robust. The U.S. economy added 1.3 million jobs in 2007. The Budget deficit is in decline. Although energy prices surged, core inflation was up only 2.3 percent . The softening of the economy this year might feel like a recession, but isn't, and conditions won't deteriorate into a recession. Most likely growth will slow but it will still be a growing economy.
His court selections were are outstanding ones .After he initially tried to use cronyism in his selection process he picked outstanding judges.
He has not been great . He should've smacked down the Republican Congress when they over spent . Some mistakes were made in the execution of the Iraq theater of the war against the jihadists. Those mistakes I believe have been identified and are being corrected. He could've and should've championed tax reform .His biggest fault is that he has not been an effective communicator . That caused him to fail at the beginning of his send term to get serious Social Security reform through Congress. I opposed some of his initiatives like comprehensive immigration amnesty and the Dubai Port deal ;and I also think he is making a mistake in his attempt at solving the Israeli -Palestinian question.
Overall however he has been a good President and I think history will recognize that .
Considering how W has singlehandedly trashed this country I am wondering just what else is in store for us before he's out of office. Probably a few more contrived "disasters" upon the American citizens.
Probably as a madman if the truth of 9/11 ever comes out, either because he covered up the truth, or was involved in the conspiracy.
Well, all I can say is that I'm ready for change. And I don't mean Obama.
Go hillary GO!
Hillary is no Bill, besides, who else is there? None of the Dems's out there with the exception of Edwards stands a chance and I'm anti republican so you tell me. Who else is there?
Barack Obama.
I like Barack but he doesn't stand a chance. Just wait and see. Besides... America is not quite ready for President Barack Hussein Obama.
I don't think edwards has a chance.
I'm sure ill get more flak for this, but I was disappointed he was going the "big business bad" slant this time through. It plays well to the poor and some middle class, but not to the reagan dems... not to mod republicans who are willing to vote against the party line as well
Just don't think he will get the crossover votes playing the part of the enemy of all things incorporated... though he did seem to pull hard against obama in the first caucus among the independents... was a little surprised at that. And of course you never know who the gop candidate will be, so maybe hed show stronger than I give credit.
You still stuck on the Hussein thing? That has nothing to do with anything.
I said on another forum when Obama became IL's junior senator that he would be running for president. I was called crazy and got booed off the forum.
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