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Following in the footsteps of Andrew "don't taze me, bro" Meyer, the Colorado State University student newspaper's editorial board expressed their first amendment rights today:

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Issue date: 9/21/07 Section: News

F**k BUSH

This is the view of the Collegian editorial board.

Apprently they, along with notables such as Joe Conason at Salon.com, "Medea Benjamin of Code Pink, who is regularly arrested for protesting at public events" and Chris Matthews of Hardball shame all see Bush at the core of this poor, innocent slob's shock treatment for merely 'exercising his first amendment rights.'

Is Bush to blame for this schmuck getting Tazed, or has Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS) reached new highs (or lows)?

I believe that the BDS has reached a new ridiculous high, with probably more antics to follow. Apparently that poor stupid schmuck (in the true sense of the word), has a reputation as a prankster, and in this pre-planned act gained his 15 minutes of fame. Reports indicate that once out of camera range he appeared sane and friendly to the cops. Let's face it, GWB is to blame for everything bad that has befallen the human race in the last 7 years, from Global Warming, the death of Anna Nicole Smith, and to the fact that Rosie O. is a fat troll. It was also reported that this event was the most electrifying performance give by John Kerry.

While I don't condone excessive use of force, from the multiple videos available, this guy had a choice. He knew what he was doing. Has he not ever seen an episode of COPS?
Has he ever been to a bar or nightclub? You cause a comotion, and they are not going to plead with you to just please go.

Yes the diagnosis is BDS.

He said that Kerry had 2 hours to speak and he was going to have his turn.
He was going to "inform" us.
He asked multiple questions and did not give Kerry a second to reply.
"Don't you want to be president?," he asked of Kerry. Like duuuh, why would he run for president in the first place?
He just went on ranting.
Then comments from the audience like "rodney king" and other people getting up in the face of the campus police. Don't they have any common sense?

Grace and Peace

I don't think Bush is to blame for this. He's not the best, but he's not the worst either. People will always complain about any president. I think this kid knew what he was doing. He was maybe trying to get tasered or at least make a scene. Security could have though he was a threat. I mean, we're in a war right now; safety is on everyone's mind. The guy who tasered him probably thought it was better to be safe then sorry. The kid was being rude, anyway. There is a right way and a wrong way to do stuff. Harassing a politician is the wrong way.

Didn't you know? EVERYTHING is Bush's fault! EVERYTHING! Got the flu? Bush. Late to work? Bush. Got tazed because you are an attention wh**e? Bush.

I say this and I'm not even a Bush supporter...

Ok, I'm normally not really into politics and all, but think about this. True, every one has the freedom to the first amendment (freedom of speech) However, that can be taken too literally. In my opinion, he (the student) deserved to get tased as it was put. Because even though he was expressing his right to the first amendment, he should be careful what he says, especially when it comes to talking about the president.

We may all have that right freedom of speech, but its only to a certain point. Freedom of speech wouldn't allow you to go into a crowded theater and scream "fire" when there isn't one. In reality, if someone wants to express there opinions about the president, they really should keep it to themselves, especially if it something like that.

FWIW, I don't think his right to free speech was taken away. He went over his time limit and his mic was shut off (fair enough). Then an officer went to take the mic away and he became belligerent. He lunged at the stage a few times and resisted being removed from the room. He was tazed (in my opinion) because he could have been a threat to the others in the room, and oh yeah, let's not forget there was a FREAKIN' SENATOR on the stage! Come on, it wasn't Paula Deen sharing her best cookie recipe, it was a SENATOR! There's a lot of loonies in this world, how could they know he wasn't going to rush the stage or cause physical harm to someone.

Then the nasty part of me says he was an attention wh**e and deserved it, but that's not what this is really about, lol! :)

You should see what happens away from the camera when a clown runs onto a baseball field. John Stewart called the incident a combination of police over-reaction and what appears to be student douche-baggery.But he missed the basic point ;resist arrest /get zapped it's as simple as that . To me it is a much better way to deal with this situation then the old billy club days .

"Tonight we talk about the video we've all seen, the video of the University of Florida student, Andrew Meyer, being tasered at a John Kerry speech. By the way, considered one of the most pleasant outcomes of attending a Kerry speech. Many people, from what I've seen, choose to be tasered.” –Jon Stewart

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Originally Posted by tomder55

resist arrest /get zapped it's as simple as that . To me it is a much better way to deal with this situation then the old billy club days.

I thought that was shockingly obvious :)

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"Tonight we talk about the video we've all seen, the video of the University of Florida student, Andrew Meyer, being tasered at a John Kerry speech. By the way, considered one of the most pleasant outcomes of attending a Kerry speech. Many people, from what I've seen, choose to be tasered.” –Jon Stewart

LOL, that must be what else the cameras didn't catch, all the folks in the audience yelling "taze me, bro."

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Following in the footsteps of Andrew "don't taze me, bro" Meyer, the Colorado State University student newspaper's editorial board expressed their first amendment rights today:

Apprently they, along with notables such as Joe Conason at Salon.com, "Medea Benjamin of Code Pink, who is regularly arrested for protesting at public events" and Chris Matthews of Hardball shame all see Bush at the core of this poor, innocent slob's shock treatment for merely 'exercising his first amendment rights.'

Is Bush to blame for this schmuck getting Tazed, or has Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS) reached new highs (or lows)?

What the president is doing is chipping away at liberty, so I fully agree with the editorial right to voice said opinion.
How about the Presidents total contempt for the American people that he displayed by sticking his middle finger towards camera just prior to a presidential address?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I thought that was shockingly obvious :)

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Originally Posted by tomder55
resist arrest /get zapped it's as simple as that . To me it is a much better way to deal with this situation then the old billy club days.

I thought that was shockingly obvious

LOL, that must be what else the cameras didn't catch, all the folks in the audience yelling "taze me, bro."

Right, and those darned rebels at Kent State got what they deserved!
;)

As for the "F**K BUSH" bit.. .

I prefer to view it as both a double entendre and as a reminder that all work and no play makes Growler's Significant Other woefully undersexed. :D

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

What the president is doing is chipping away at liberty, so I fully agree with the editorial right to voice said opinion.
How about the Presidents total contempt for the American people that he displayed by sticking his middle finger towards camera just prior to a presidential address?

For crying out loud, every reporter in attendance at that event went on record in Bush's defense and said that it was most definitely his thumb and not his middle finger.

Look, if you want to hate our Mental Midget In Chief, then hate him for the things he *HAS* done to abrogate our rights.. . Not for the imagined slights promulgated by the Left Wing media and Late Night entertainers.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

Right, and those darned rebels at Kent State got what they deserved!
;)

Gawd, you really think so?

Ahem.

You're kind of sick in the head there, DC.

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Originally Posted by iamgrowler

For crying out loud, every reporter in attendance at that event went on record in Bush's defense and said that it was most definitely his thumb and not his middle finger.

Look, if you want to hate our Mental Midget In Chief, then hate him for the things he *HAS* done to abrogate our rights. . . Not for the imagined slights promulgated by the Left Wing media and Late Night entertainers.

I wasn’t there, I don’t know for sure, I only saw a picture... and it was with a middle finger extended. Either way, and I really don’t care whether he did or didn’t, I don’t like him.:D

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Originally Posted by iamgrowler

Gawd, you really think so?

Ahem.

You're kinda sick in the head there, DC.

No, I don’t really think so, any more than I believe the Colorado State University student should have been tasered.

How about the handling of the student arrested at the airport with the hoax bomb, claiming to be an "artistic expression"?? The extraordinary acts of stupidity have risen to new lows.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

No, I don’t really think so, any more than I believe the Colorado State University student should have been tasered.

Well, you know what they say about opinions and a certain orifice, right?

Anyhow...

I stand by my original appraisal, you're kind of sick in the head.

HAND!!

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Originally Posted by iamgrowler

Well, you know what they say about opinions and a certain orifice, right?

Anyhow....

I stand by my original appraisal, you're kinda sick in the head.

HAND!!!!

I’ll take that as a complement...

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Originally Posted by CaptainRich

How about the handling of the student arrested at the airport with the hoax bomb, claiming to be an "artistic expression"?!?! The extraordinary acts of stupidity have risen to new lows.

That is as illogical as comparing what the student did to shouting fire in a crowded movie theater; which has been done.

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Originally Posted by CaptainRich

The extraordinary acts of stupidity have risen to new lows.

Dark, just focus on the last sentence here

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

I’ll take that as a complement...

Exactly.

I rest my case.

DC - You have always struck me as a very intelligent person, well versed in history, and capable of rational thought. Some of your comments in this thread disappoint me. Your apparent willingness to accept an idiot as a spokesman, merely because he shares your views is not something that I am not able to do. Your acceptance as fact, things which are not proven, merely because of your dislike for GWB lead me to reconsider my earlier opinion.

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Originally Posted by Dr D

DC - You have always struck me as a very intelligent person, well versed in history, and capable of rational thought. Some of your comments in this thread disappoint me. Your apparent willingness to accept an idiot as a spokesman, merely because he shares your views is not something that I am not able to do. Your acceptance as fact, things which are not proven, merely because of your dislike for GWB lead me to reconsider my earlier opinion.

Dr D

I’m a little confused, who is the ‘spokesman’ I am supposed to support and what fact that is not in evidence have I accepted?

I wasn’t there, I don’t know for sure, I only saw a picture... and it was with a middle finger extended. Either way, and I really don’t care whether he did or didn’t, I don’t like him.

Please excuse me for not having mastered the Quote feature; so I did cut and paste for your statement.

You apparently support the actions of the tasered prankster as an absolute RIGHT. That would mean that anyone can speak, yell, refuse to leave, refuse the lawful orders of the police, at any time, at any place, without any consequences.

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Originally Posted by Dr D

I wasn't there, I don't know for sure, I only saw a picture...and it was with a middle finger extended. Either way, and I really don't care whether he did or didn't, I don't like him.

Please excuse me for not having mastered the Quote feature; so I did cut and paste for your statement.

You apparently support the actions of the tasered prankster as an absolute RIGHT. That would mean that anyone can speak, yell, refuse to leave, refuse the lawful orders of the police, at any time, at any place, without any consequences.

The student was at the microphone, as I understood it, and ask a number of sequential questions; security came and told him he had to leave... at that time Kerry said, "no, it's alright I would like to answer the question." That took place on a news video I saw.

I don't know what the questions were, so I can't say whether I support his position or not, but I do support both the students and Kerrys right to speak.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

I wasn't there, I don't know for sure, I only saw a picture...and it was with a middle finger extended. Either way, and I really don't care whether he did or didn't, I don't like him.

My point here was that I did not care whether Bush did or did not flip a birdie, my evaluation of him did not hinge on whether he did or did not.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

The student was at the microphone, as I understood it, and ask a number of sequential questions; security came and told him he had to leave...at that time Kerry said, "no, it’s alright I would like to answer the question." That took place on a news video I saw.

Kerry caved; he didn't want to look like the bad guy (typical politician - but, he and his team set the rules for questioning )
That student knew the forum and the rules, but didn't play by those rules that he'd already agreed to, so...

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

I don’t know what the questions were, so I can’t say whether I support his position or not, but I do support both the students and Kerrys right to speak.

.. what ever questions he had... don't matter. He was unruly and got put in his place.
He's a habitual defiant.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

My point here was that I did not care whether Bush did or did not flip a birdie, my evaluation of him did not hinge on whether he did or did not.

Have you never seen a picture altered for the sake of comedy or political satire..?

HAND!!

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Originally Posted by CaptainRich

Kerry caved; he didn't want to look like the bad guy (typical politician - but, he and his team set the rules for questioning )
That student knew the forum and the rules, but didn't play by those rules that he'd already agreed to, so...

..what ever questions he had... don't matter. He was unruly and got put in his place.
He's a habitual defiant.

Have you never seen a picture altered for the sake of comedy or political satire...?!?!

HAND!!!!

CR

He ask 2 more questions than the stipulated 1... that happens all the time.

Yes, I know photos can be altered.. that is why I prefaced my comment with, “I wasn’t there, I don’t know for sure...”:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by CaptainRich

Kerry caved; he didn't want to look like the bad guy (typical politician - but, he and his team set the rules for questioning )

So your into mind reading are you, what makes you believe Kerry simply would not have liked to respond? If he caved it was in about 5 seconds. :rolleyes:

We are all free to view the events, and draw conclusions as to the motivation of those involved. The only Fact of the case is that the young man REFUSED to abide by the decision of the moderators who shut off his mike. He, and he alone caused the situation to escalate. Your circular reasoning tires me.

Well of course Andrew Meyer being tazered was all Bush's fault. So were Huricane Katrina and Global Warming. Shrillary Clintoon flashing her cleavage (a national disaster if I ever saw one) was Bush's fault. Ahmad-genocide's rants against Israel and the Holocaust are Bush's fault. Being cold in the winter and hot in the summer is Bush's fault. EVERYTHING is Bush's fault. Didn't you know that? Bush is the smartest, dumbest, most evil, most naïve, most powerful, weakest, most influential, least popular President in history... all at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

Right, and those darned rebels at Kent State got what they deserved!
;)

And like the Branch Davidians, eh? What does Kent State have to do with this? Is arson and violence protected expression? The guy resisted arrest, charged toward a US Senator and got tazed. What the heck did he think was going to happen, be offered a muffin and a cup of coffee?

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

What the president is doing is chipping away at liberty, so I fully agree with the editorial right to voice said opinion.
How about the Presidents total contempt for the American people that he displayed by sticking his middle finger towards camera just prior to a presidential address?

That was without a doubt his thumb. He did flip the bird while he was governor, though. Look DC, I'm not arguing the CSU doesn't have the right to "voice" that opinion, but I certainly question the propriety of it. If that's what our future media think is 'journalism' then the already pathetic state of the media is only going to get worse. If they can't express an intelligent argument they need a new major and CSU needs to work on their journalism department.

As to Bush "chipping away at liberty" one can argue that, but it offends me when I see those on the left argue for that while supporting speech codes, political correctness, taking more of my money to give to someone else and trying to regulate everything from smoking bans on private property to transfats and everything they think we can't decide on for ourselves in between. Seniors were out protesting in NY because they decided to ban doughnuts at the senior citizen center.

Don't talk to me about Bush "chipping away at liberty" unless you're prepared to talk about the rights that are being eroded from the left.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Seniors were out protesting in NY because they decided to ban doughnuts at the senior citizen center.

I missed that one. This is hilarious. Are the libs worried that 86-year-olds are going to die an "early death" because of trans-fats?

Sometimes the libs make for great humor.

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

I missed that one. This is hilarious. Are the libs worried that 86-year-olds are going to die an "early death" because of trans-fats?

Sometimes the libs make for great humor.

Did you read the article? Absolutely they're worried about that, and apparently this writer is, too since he went to the trouble of quoting Communists for Science in the Public Interest.

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"Senior citizens can walk down to the store and buy doughnuts. Nobody's stopping them," said Michael Jacobson, executive director of the Center for Science in the Public Interest in Washington.

But he notes that older people have high rates of heart disease and high blood pressure and says senior citizen centers, nursing homes and assisted-living centers should not be worsening the health problems of seniors.

I'm all for providing balanced nutrition, but as far as I'm concerned if someone's made it to 86 years old they can have all the damn donuts they want, they've earned it.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

That was without a doubt his thumb. He did flip the bird while he was governor, though. Look DC, I'm not arguing the CSU doesn't have the right to "voice" that opinion, but I certainly question the propriety of it. If that's what our future media think is 'journalism' then the already pathetic state of of the media is only going to get worse. If they can't express an intelligent argument they need a new major and CSU needs to work on their journalism department.

As to Bush "chipping away at liberty" one can argue that, but it offends me when I see those on the left argue for that while supporting speech codes, political correctness, taking more of my money to give to someone else and trying to regulate everything from smoking bans on private property to transfats and everything they think we can't decide on for ourselves in between. Seniors were out protesting in NY because they decided to ban doughnuts at the senior citizen center.

Don't talk to me about Bush "chipping away at liberty" unless you're prepared to talk about the rights that are being eroded from the left.

So far as Journalism is concerned, the student was going after facts and had good questions, that sometimes calls for activism. If no one acted-up, blacks would still be using different public places, women would still be at home and gays still in the closet... but then there are people who would love life that way.

You see the incident as a left-right issue, in fact you like many others see most political incidents as a left-right issue, the thing with me is I don’t see any real important difference.

Some of the ‘chipping away’ of rights is written in the instructions to law enforcement for handling political descent coming from the Presidents office; which these police officers complied with.

I find this whole incident " reminiscent of Genghis Khan". I think Kerry hired the rent-a -cops. He certainly didn't protest and instead droned on as if nothing was happening in front of him .

Seriously ;does anyone have confirmation that this was police or was it campus security ?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

I find this whole incident " reminiscent of Genghis Khan". I think Kerry hired the rent-a -cops. He certainly didn't protest and instead droned on as if nothing was happening in front of him .

Seriously ;does anyone have confirmation that this was police or was it campus security ?

I don't know, but I don't think they were city police; campus security, as you call it, are people with real police powers... think of the University as a city with-in a city. I am however sure we have not heard the last of this and so will be hearing more. Many cities have banned the use of tasers (but not stun guns) because they have been the cause of many deaths.

P.S. edit I'm not even sure it was a taser, it may have only been a stun gun

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Originally Posted by tomder55

I find this whole incident " reminiscent of Genghis Khan". I think Kerry hired the rent-a -cops. He certainly didn't protest and instead droned on as if nothing was happening in front of him .

Seriously ;does anyone have confirmation that this was police or was it campus security ?

As I understand it, it was University police which generally have full police powers on school property.

There are a lot of tangential issues . One being it is absurd that the police could not subdue this clown without the use of props. I saw the video and a couple of them are women Did they have the physical strength to handle him without the use of a device ? If not ;why not ?

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/2...y_flgif101.jpg

I do know that there is no comparison here to Kent State. I find it more comparable to an attention monger who runs on a ball field .Believe me they would prefer getting zapped to the therapeutic massage they receive as an alternative.

BTW ;I hear Kerry recommended him for a Purple Heart .