Hello aqain, 450:

So, if the 47 million people don't meet YOUR requirements, they should just go without. That's kind of what I thought you'd say.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello aqain, 450:

So, if the 47 million people don't meet YOUR requirements, they should just go without. That's kinda what I thought you'd say.

excon

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Didn't say that. Didn't imply that. Guess you deserve a reddie for that factual error!

I guess bottom line is that we have a fundemental difference in the way we look at things. I take full responsibility for my actions and deeds. While many in this country feel it is the governments responsibility to take care of them.

While I see the benefits of socialized health care for those who can't afford it, those with jobs and who have health through their employer really don't have much to worry about.

I took care of my mom for l0 years, the last year was th longest. We suffered financially, almost went broke. The terminology is the 'sandwich generation' meaning a family caring for an elderly parent who are sandwiched between their children and the elderly parent. That is really hard to do.

Families with enough money can find adequate care in long term care facilities, (this is not a nursing home), but expensive, $2500 $3000 per month. And, the healthcare is adequate for them. The doctors come into the LTC facility.

I have never lost a client to the healthcare system. I find that the care in the hospital is top rate and when they come out, OHIP kicks in with home care through Cdn. Red Cross Personal Support Workers (similar to nurses aides) until they can be on their own again, or if not on their again, then they have us as long as they need us. This system takes the pressure off the hospitals.

On second thought, donn, you may want to take a shot at Cdn. Red Cross furnishing Personal Support Workers under OHIP providing homecare and personal care services for the elderly to stay in their homes.

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Originally Posted by tickle

On second thought, donn, you may want to take a shot at Cdn. Red Cross furnishing Personal Support Workers under OHIP providing homecare and personal care services for the elderly to stay in their homes.

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Why would I want to take on the responsibility again? My mom in law has been in my house for over 30 years. We decided to take the position of primary care givers for her at that time and have not regretted it. Is it tough? You be it is. Especially in this economy. I would dearly love to retire and move someplace nice and peaceful where we could live out or lives in relative safety and comfort. It will happen some day because she is now 91 years old. I will not place her in a home(warehouse) for others to take care of like so many in our societies today seem to want to do just to satisfy my desires though. Like I said before, if you are happy with the level of health care at the cost you are paying for it then I am glad for you. However I personally feel that the free market is a better system. Experience has taught me that anything that the Government gets it's fingers into will generally end up so screwed up that it will never be fixed. And it will generally cost me (the taxpayer) 25% more than private sector could have done the job.
JMHO!

Let me also point out Tickle that here in the US we have a TERRIBLE shortage of medical staff, including adequate nurses and CNAs as well as doctors. This is one reason for the inadequate care in hospitals, nursing homes and LTCs.

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Originally Posted by J_9

Let me also point out Tickle that here in the US we have a TERRIBLE shortage of medical staff, including adequate nurses and CNAs as well as doctors. This is one reason for the inadequate care in hospitals, nursing homes and LTCs.

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Weird, hearing 450donn's side you'd think you were overun with Canadian doctors wanting to work there.

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Originally Posted by 450donn

Experience has taught me that anything that the Government gets it's fingers into will generally end up so screwed up that it will never be fixed. And it will generally cost me (the taxpayer) 25% more than private sector could have done the job.

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I guess that's where our culture and experience differs.

I wish we were, but we aren't. We recently had to deport a fabulous ER doctor back to Dubai.

Well, I many lose my job... hey but at least I might get a wellfare check.

For the sake of America: I hope Obama succeeds too

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For the sake of America: I hope Obama suceeds too

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Wouldn't that depend on what his goals really are? His cohorts, at least, want to silence talk radio. Apparently, they don't believe in free speech for their opposition. That has always been the tactic of dictators. Definitely not American tradition.

Republican radio is bought and paid for. You either listen to it or turn the knob to music. The Rush Limbaugh mouths are like TV evangelists and wild horses couldn't separate him from the microphone. It might evolve into a different Republican approach due to their own mistakes, but that's own them for getting away from the party of Ronald Reagan, not Barack Obama or the Democrats. I hope America succeeds and after Dubya's failures, and I'm more than willing to give Barack Obama my blessing and the opportunity.

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Originally Posted by J_9

The current elected government will force our gun store out of business with their stringent laws and attempts at revoking and/or eliminating the second amendment as well as stricter gun laws for those of us responsible gun owners. Those laws will only harm us but help the thugs on the streets. Those thugs don't go through proper channels as do the responsible people, so we shouldn't be tightened up on.

I'm from the deep south, we call everyone by their middle names. LMAO.

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I feel that anyone who has a problem with strict gun laws probably should not be able to get a gun. How can precautions when it comes to something as deadly as guns be a bad thing?

I'm from the deep south too and we do not call people by their middle names. Obama's middle name is used to imply evil by zealous gun toting, bible thumping, 2nd amendment loving conservatives. At least be honest why you used it.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Are you guys expecting a civil war????

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Lol that is SO funny. You would think that wouldn't you? Stock piling guns... scares the ba-jee-bies out of me. Gun lovers make me nervous.:eek:

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Yes. I prefer New England. I don't prefer living in the South.
I would only go to live the U.S if I had a good job with good benefits. Now where did I compare the south with the poor?

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NK, I just want you to know that not all of us in the south are like J 9. I've lived in NC, SC, and am currently living in Atlanta. I never encountered anything like the KKK. We do have our share of racist, ignorant rednecks but fortunately there are pockets of more enlightened intelligent people too.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Imagine if Sarah Palin had made a SNAFU insult like Obama did with his Nancy Reagan off the cuff comment. She would be pilloried ..

Quick ....off the cuff without looking on the net ........name all 23 nations in North America (no there aren't only 3)

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What did Obama say about Nancy Reagan?

The election is over and the decision has been made. Obama's success now represents America's success. If Obama fails then that is the same as if America fails.

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What did Obama say about Nancy Reagan?

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See what I mean ? You did not even hear about it.

AFP: Obama apologizes to Nancy Reagan for 'seance' crack