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COzyk:

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Maybe you should do some basic research on the topic, before relying on anectodal experience.

First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws

- insufficient data to determine with certainty whether strict control laws have any effect on violent crime -

In either case, gun control does not make up for other factors contributing to violence such as family breakdown, violence in media, drug abuse etc...

What’s Riskier: A gun or a swimming pool? | SmartParentsBlog.com

Statistically speaking accidental drownings cause more death in children than accidental shooting.

I never said that I agreed with all of the decisions PRESIDENT Bush made. He made a lot of mistakes in his eight years. He also did a lot of things right. When was the last attack on US soil against innocent civilians? That's right September 11,2001!
Oh and it is really disrespectful of y'all not calling him by his proper title. PRESIDENT. You do not have to like his politics, but you sure should respect the office that he was elected to.

[QUOTE=inthebox;1374486]COzyk:

Gun politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In either case, gun control does not make up for other factors contributing to violence such as family breakdown, violence in media, drug abuse etc...

Thank you for making my point!
The breakdown of the family, moral decay of this country, call it what you will, is the complete and total reason we as a country are where we are today!

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Originally Posted by tomder55

typical uninformed blather . read his thoughts in his own words to find out how deeply he understood the issues of the day and the philosophy of the movement he led.
Amazon.com: Reagan, In His Own Hand: The Writings of Ronald Reagan that Reveal His Revolutionary Vision for America: George P. Shultz, Kiron K. Skinner, Annelise Anderson, Martin Anderson: Books

Guess it depends on which book you read.

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Originally Posted by 450donn

Oh and it is really disrespectful of y'all not calling him by his proper title. PRESIDENT. You do not have to like his politics, but you sure should respect the office that he was elected to.

Respect is earned person by person, not by belonging to a group.

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Originally Posted by 450donn

Maybe you need to go back and read up on the history of Britain. Moral decay, total disregard for the Jewish people, Gods chosen people, stricter laws banning all guns. Check out the latest statistics on violent crime in the UK and compare it to the USA. Remember, even the police in the UK are banned from carrying guns.

Well, that's just stupid:rolleyes:

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inthebox agrees: So, before Obama no one was inspired to use their brain and their abilities to make life better?

The CEO/director/person in charge sets the tone for the organization--whether it be a company, public library, charity, church group, daycare facility, family. This is known by Organizational Behavior, Sociology, and Psychology students everywhere. The person who has been in charge of the U.S. started nicely enough, but his poor decision-making lost him U.S. and even world respect.

So, to respond to your comment to me, none of us U.S. citizens has been inspired by our leader to improve things during the past (at least) seven years. The reemergence of kindness is small but steady. Now, even Chicago area drivers seem less inclined to indulge in road rage and finger gestulating, and are much more agreeable when someone wants to merge or even cut in. I see more doors being held open for others, I hear more enthusiastic "May I help you?"s, I feel reached out to by people who previously would never have given me the time of day.

We will recover our kinder and smarter selves as Obama takes the helm.

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COzyk:
Statistically speaking accidental drownings cause more death in children than accidental shooting.

So what about deaths that are not in children AND not accidents? You are citing a pretty narrow range of mortality statistics...

I'm guessing guns win against swimming pools in adult homicides...

Anyway, you can always find something more dangerous than something else. Cigarettes are way more dangerous than guns if you just go by number of deaths caused per year.

Dogs are more dangerous than black widow spiders. What's the point of such an argument? That we should never try to reduce any risk?

Wikipedia as a "Source" for debate

I'm a believer in Wikipedia, but as a "source" the jury is still out. The only real requirement for getting listed in Wiki is your information has to have been printed somewhere at least once. It doesn't matter if it was printed in a place that also didn't cite normal "sources verified" procedures... it just had to get printed. Then Wiki accepts it as a valid source.

That's convenient, but it's troublesome to me. I know the internet is changing and I suppose we have to change with it, in some ways. But I'm not sure I'm ready to accept as a valid source something ANYONE has ever said in writing when prior to this, only verified researched and supported citations were accepted as "proof of point". Wiki doesn't require that level of accountability, so I'm on the fence about Wiki citations in a debate.

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450donn disagrees: Not sure how to react to that? But I did not drink the koolaid so I guess I have to say factually wrong.

Obama inspires me to be nice to you too. And factually wrong? You're calling me a liar? You need a sip of that stuff too, maybe the cheery ooops cherry flavor?

We will wait until about June1 2009 to see how enthralled you still are with him after he back peddles on all his promises that he has made to every special interest group in the country to guarantee his election. Heck I have already seen some of his staunches supporters in the media starting to bash him over some of his back peddling.

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Originally Posted by 450donn

We will wait until about June1 2009 to see how enthralled you still are with him after he back peddles on all his promises that he has made to every special interest group in the country to guarantee his election. Heck I have already seen some of his staunches supporters in the media starting to bash him over some of his back peddling.

Please cite your sources of formerly Obama-friendly media bashing him. Even Rush and Sean Hannity are off his case and are trying to rebuild the Republican Party for 2012.

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Originally Posted by inthebox

COzyk:

Gun politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe you should do some basic research on the topic, before relying on anectodal experience.

First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws

- insufficient data to determine with certainty whether strict control laws have any effect on violent crime -

In either case, gun control does not make up for other factors contributing to violence such as family breakdown, violence in media, drug abuse etc....

What’s Riskier: A gun or a swimming pool? | SmartParentsBlog.com

Statistically speaking accidental drownings cause more death in children than accidental shooting.

Thanks for the links. I read most and they are very interesting. I've based my opinions on personal experience and the scale had tilted way down on the side of gun control.

Gun control has not required anything unreasonable so I don't understand what the big woop is. There were a couple of things I ask in an earlier post that was never answered. I'd appreciate feed back on these.

1. Why would a gun shop carry automatic weapons? Who buys these and for what reason?

2. People are stock piling guns just in case there is a ban. If you already have a gun or guns, what is the need to stock pile more? You already have yourself protection weapon.
Are people preparing for a militant action against their gov? Or are people just collecting guns like other people collect matchbooks?

3.
What about alternative ways to self protect. Like the stun gun and the tazzer. I'm sure I am spelling that incorrectly but you know what I mean. I would come much closer to using one of those than using a gun. I am not proposing a gun ban, I just don't fall for the self protection argument hook, line, and sinker. I think there are people like my neices husband that love to feel more powerful over others.

4. The argument of "the founding fathers said that we have the right to bear arms" is not much of an argument. If you hold all amendments to the original writing, women would not be voting, blacks would not be voting, much less become President, prohibition in, then out... The constitution changes as time advances. Again, not saying guns should be banned, just saying the constitution is not the best argument.

Is that guy George gone yet! Ain't commin' out till he leaves!!

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Originally Posted by 450donn

We will wait until about June1 2009 to see how enthralled you still are with him after he back peddles on all his promises that he has made to every special interest group in the country to guarantee his election. Heck I have already seen some of his staunches supporters in the media starting to bash him over some of his back peddling.

Do you have a crystal ball? You say "when he back peddles on all his promises" like that is a fact. Why do you expect the worst? Also , please list a few of his promises and the particular special interest group these promises were made to.

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Originally Posted by cozyk

Do you have a crystal ball? You say "when he back peddles on all his promises" like that is a fact. Why do you expect the worst? Also , please list a few of his promises and the particular special interest group these promises were made to.

Auto workers union
Teachers union
Congressional black caucus
All welfare recipients
Illegals
All low income
Bill aires
Jesse jackson
Al sharpton
Anybody that thinks "spread the wealth" is not a socialist idea
Public employee unions
Need a few more?

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Originally Posted by 450donn

Auto workers union
Teachers union
Congressional black caucus
All welfare recepients
illegals
all low income
bill aires
jesse jackson
al sharpton
anybody that thinks "spread the wealth" is not a socialist idea
public employee unions
Need a few more?

You did not say what was promised to them. Be specific please. What did he promise to Bill Aires and Jessie Jackson? And Al Sharpton?

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Originally Posted by 450donn

Auto workers union
Teachers union
Congressional black caucus
All welfare recepients
illegals
all low income
bill aires
jesse jackson
al sharpton
anybody that thinks "spread the wealth" is not a socialist idea
public employee unions
Need a few more?

Hello again, 450:

You know I LOVE to argue with you. But, I can't take you serious. You're a poster boy for Rush Limprod and Hannity. You have no facts. You have rumors, and right wing innuendo. You're silly.

Oh yeah, you forgot one group - the TERRORISTS.

Bwa, ha ha ha ha .

excon

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Hello Me:

If things are sooo bad, why are you just sitting back??? Waiting for the government to do something??? Hmpf. Don't sound too Republican to me.

excon

I am a hard core Republican, but what else should I do? Storm the gates of Washington and demand that Obama be removed from office? Sorry, not possible. I didn't vote him in, others did. One person can not make a difference no matter what your parents told you as a kid, it takes more like me to make a difference. I do my part little by little, but others need to chip in as well. Don't judge people before you know them. It's rood and classless.

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

Meloo Have you actual met someone who prays to and Worships Obama, Seriously? I haven't met anyone that worships him or prays to him. I knocked on Doors For him, I made phone calls for him, I donated money to him, and of course I voted for him. Those are normal things a volunteer to a politcal campaign does.

There are people who do that, its odd. Look on YouTube you will find creepy videos. I never said that EVERY one does that, nore did I EVER say that YOU do that. Try not to take things to heart and be sure you understand what you are reading, it was no personal hit upon you or any Democrats, my boyfriend is a Democrat and I don't talk to him like that at all. He has his opinions as do I.

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it takes more like me to make a difference. I do my part little by little, but others need to chip in as well.

That's going to happen. You are going to be asked -- in fact, Obama has already asked each one of us -- to help make a difference. He's even going to include esteemed Republicans in his cabinet and as advisors.

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That's going to happen. You are going to be asked -- in fact, Obama has already asked each one of us -- to help make a difference. He's even going to include esteemed Republicans in his cabinet and as advisors.

I'll believe it when I see it. I don't trust ANYone in the political office anymore than I can throw 'um. He has to prove himself worthy and then MAYBE I'll believe him

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I'll believe it when I see it. I don't trust ANYone in the political office anymore than I can throw 'um. He has to prove himself worthy and then MAYBE I'll believe him

It's already happening. Join the fun!

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That's going to happen. You are going to be asked -- in fact, Obama has already asked each one of us -- to help make a difference. He's even going to include esteemed Republicans in his cabinet and as advisors.

By "spreading the wealth" and getting taxed more :(:rolleyes:;)

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Originally Posted by inthebox

By "spreading the wealth" and getting taxed more

Obama isn't doing that. Nor will he. You are going to be soooooooooooo surprised.

http://www.atr.org/content/pdf/2008/...n%20Matrix.pdf

Top personal rate INCREASE by 4.6%

Capital gains INCREASE by 5%

Small business employer rate INCREASE by up to 16.9%

NO repeal of the AMT.

Now, post stats that aren't biased.

I will be impressed by Obama when I see how he reacts to Canadian issues and recognizes the free trade agreement. and the softwood lumber issue and oh, yes, how he reacts to the Quebec separation issue. That will be interesting. Otherwise, I rather like him.

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Originally Posted by cozyk

lol that is SO funny. You would think that wouldn't you? Stock piling guns...scares the ba-jee-bies out of me. Gun lovers make me nervous.:eek:

No.

Not a civil war, a second American Revolution, is the most likely to occur if this President is able to do just half of what he said he would.

If we, the law abiding patriots of America scare you, how do you feel about all the criminals that have more guns than we do?

We pass our background checks, wait out our waiting period, and get our guns.

The government knows who we all are, where we all live, and exactly how many guns we have.

If and when the government "tries" to confiscate them, they know exactly where to look.

Then, only the criminals will be armed.

That, along with folks like you, scare the hell out of me!!

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Originally Posted by progunr

if this President is able to do just half of what he said he would.

And do you really know what he has said so far?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Now, post stats that aren't biased.

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes...Plan_FINAL.pdf

Under estate tax and capital gains taxes - exactly the same as

http://www.atr.org/content/pdf/2008/...n%20Matrix.pdf

How is that "biased?"

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Originally Posted by inthebox

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes...Plan_FINAL.pdf

under estate tax and capital gains taxes - exactly the same as

http://www.atr.org/content/pdf/2008/...n%20Matrix.pdf

How is that "biased?"

Do me a hugh favor and clean your glasses, then compare the two again.

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Originally Posted by inthebox

By "spreading the wealth" and getting taxed more :(:rolleyes:;)

Are you saying you make 250 thousand or more a year. If you don't , you will not be taxed more. If you do, then anything over 250/yr will be taxed an additional 3%.

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Originally Posted by cozyk

Are you saying you make 250 thousand or more a year. If you don't , you will not be taxed more. If you do, then anything over 250/yr will be taxed an additional 3%.

Excuse me, but have your forgotten or just ignored the fact that when Obama lets the Bush tax cuts expire, it will be the largest tax increase in the history of this Nation?

Oh yeah, he said he wouldn't "raise" taxes, he just forgot to mention this small, insignificant fact, didn't he?

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Originally Posted by progunr

Excuse me, but have your forgotten or just ignored the fact that when Obama lets the Bush tax cuts expire, it will be the largest tax increase in the history of this Nation?

Do you really think he is that stupid, that he missed noting that bump that would occur?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Do you really think he is that stupid, that he missed noting that bump that would occur?

Of course he's not stupid, he fooled over half of the American population.

"bump"?

How cute, nice how you try to minimize the effect this increase will have on EVERY American, that pays income tax that is.

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Originally Posted by progunr

Of course he's not stupid, he fooled over half of the American population.

"bump"?

How cute, nice how you try to minimize the effect this increase will have on EVERY American, that pays income tax that is.

I see you don't understand verb forms. I said "would," not "will." There will be no bump under Obama.

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Originally Posted by progunr

No.

Not a civil war, a second American Revolution, is the most likely to occur if this President is able to do just half of what he said he would.

If we, the law abiding patriots of America scare you, how do you feel about all the criminals that have more guns than we do?

We pass our background checks, wait out our waiting period, and get our guns.

The government knows who we all are, where we all live, and exactly how many guns we have.

If and when the government "tries" to confiscate them, they know exactly where to look.

Then, only the criminals will be armed.

That, along with folks like you, scare the hell out of me!!!

You can buy guns till the cows come home if that is what makes you happy. All you got to do is adhere to a few REASONABLE requirements put into place for the safety of all of us. How does that hurt you? Tell me who said they were going to confiscate your guns. What makes you think that?
Did I miss something? Names please.

ME, and folks like me should be the LAST people you should be afraid of. Non violent, easy going, fair minded, peace loving, what's to fear?

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Originally Posted by cozyk

You can buy guns till the cows come home if that is what makes you happy. All you gotta do is adhere to a few REASONABLE requirements put into place for the safety of all of us. How does that hurt you? Tell me who said they were going to confiscate your guns. What makes you think that?
Did I miss something? Names please.

ME, and folks like me should be the LAST people you should be afraid of. Non violent, easy going, fair minded, peace loving, what's to fear?

Many good men, and women, have died, fighting to their last breath, so that you can enjoy your "easy going, fair minded, peace loving" life.

If enough Americans adopt your attitude, there won't be enough to keep fighting for the freedom and peace you now enjoy.

That, is what scares me about folks like you.

As for names, Charles Schumer and James Bradley come to mind without much thought.

You probably didn't know that several liberal politicians have tried to enact legislation to abolish the second amendment, did you?

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Originally Posted by progunr

Many good men, and women, have died, fighting to their last breath, so that you can enjoy your "easy going, fair minded, peace loving" life.

If enough Americans adopt your attitude, there won't be enough to keep fighting for the freedom and peace you now enjoy.

That, is what scares me about folks like you.

As for names, Charles Schumer and James Bradley come to mind without much thought.

You probably didn't know that several liberal politicians have tried to enact legislation to abolish the second amendment, did you?

So if you lose your guns, we lose our freedom?