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At last check, this post/question was posed, not by a conservative, but one of you libs. I agree with progunr: what qualifies Obama for the position he seeks? At the current point in his life, I can see where he might get elected to the board of education or city/county commissioner. U.S. Senator? He lacks Hillary's qualifications.
What professional qualifications and personal characteristics do you think are important to have in order to become POTUS?Quote:
Originally Posted by George_1950
I am the first to concede that MCCain is not my 1st choice. Still I am more confident with him at the helm then Bambi.
Yes Wondergirl I'm sure Bambi is more than qualified to be a local Chicago machine pol. And I'm sure is personally likeable... But that is not in itself make him qualified to be POTUS . To me his postions (prior to his "shift to the middle" )are too radical.
Also ; he is counting on a huge youth voter turn out and even if they do come out in force ;they are irrelevant demographically .
There's 42 million of the "Youth Vote" 17-26.
The next biggest group is people in their Thirties and Forties, which is 84 million .
Then we have people in their forties and fifties, who are 61.5 million in total.
Seniors, in their Sixties or older. 50.6 million .
Seniors outnumber the Youth Vote by about 8 million. Unlike the Youth Vote, which has never yet participated in elections in large numbers, Seniors vote. High percentages of seniors both register to vote, and then vote in each election. They are not going to vote for Hope and Change. They have simpler concerns like crime, and inflation.
The candidate that best deals with their concerns will win ;and I don't care how big a lead Bambio gets in the run up to the election. Dukakis at this point had a tremendous lead over GHW Bush,
You think SkyGem is a "you libs"? LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by George_1950
More like she is part of this: John McCain 2008 - John McCain for President Points for posting. Obama's Web 2.0 strategy includes a vast social network to get people together and discuss ideas and sow the seeds of person to person networks, whereas McCain's web 2.0 strategy is incentivized trolling... how progressive. Why can't the GOP focus on doing positive things rather than muckraking?
The single most important qualification is the candidate's core beliefs. Voters need to know what a candidate believes about a variety of issues. After beleifs is experiences.
Well, Obama wasn't a mediocre student throughout his academic career. He didn't graduate magna laude with a double major: Partying and Drinking. He didn't use his family's political connections to get him out of Vietnam or take a cushy job with the Texas National Guard. Hmmm, what could possibly qualify Obama? And how has this country done under all those other experienced Presidents? Does political experience even ensure success as President?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I didn't see anyone ask about political experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Just plain old real life, management experience, decision making experience, running a business experience, managing people experience, not to be confused with community organizing experience.
Also, I wasn't aware that he had to worry about going to Viet Nam at the ripe old age of 12 either?
What National Guard Unit did you say he had cushy experience in?
I must have missed that.
I can tell you've never organized a community. What about a church supper? A Cub Scout den? A crew of court-ordered offenders? A class of 35 third and fourth graders? Hmmmm, I think I should give Obama a run for his money.Quote:
Originally Posted by progunr
The one that he AWOLed out of?Quote:
Originally Posted by progunr
George W. Bush military service controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ya really got to keep up better than this, you know?Quote:
I must have missed that.
We are talking about Obama here.
Not revisiting the GW and Dan Rather debacle, that is old news, and it was not GW that suffered as a result of it.
Where is that Dan guy now anyway? Doesn't matter.
I want to know what National Guard Unit did Obama get HIS cushy experience in?
Oh, he was never in the National Guard?
What about a Reserve Unit?
Oh, that neither.
He DOES lack Hillary's qualifications! And that's a fact! George, since you are asking about Obama's qualifications and would be one to appreciate the GOP, thought you'd like to take a look at this.Quote:
Originally Posted by George_1950
GOP Videos Question Obama's Experience - Channel '08: The 2008 Election on Video
These Presidents all saw action in Wartime.
George Washington - Commander in Chief of Continental Army during the American Revolution.
James Monroe - served in American Revolution
Andrew Jackson - American Revolution, War of 1812, First Seminole War
William Henry Harrison - Indian wars in the NW territory, War of 1812
John Tyler - War of 1812
Zachary Taylor - War of 1812, Black Hawk, Second Seminole, and Mexican wars
Franklin Pierce - Mexican War
James Buchanan - War of 1812
Abraham Lincoln - Black Hawk War
Andrew Johnson - Civil War
Ulysses Grant - Mexican War, Civil War
Rutherford Hayes - Civil War
James Garfield - Civil War
Chester Arthur - Civil War
Benjamin Harrison - Civil War
William McKinley - Civil War
Theodore Roosevelt - Spanish-American War
Harry Truman - WWI
Dwight Eisenhower - WWII General
John Kennedy - WWII
Lyndon Johnson - WWII
Richard Nixon - WWII
Gerald Ford - WWII
George Bush - WWII
The following served without conflict.
James Madison
James Polk
Millard Fillmore
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan - kept out of combat due to bad eyesight
George W. Bush
The remainder of the presidents were not in the military.
John Adams
Thomas Jefferson
John Quincy Adams
Martin Van Buren
Grover Cleveland
William Taft
Woodrow Wilson
Warren Harding
Calvin Coolidge
Herbert Hoover
Franklin Roosevelt
Bill Clinton
progunr, thought this website really hit the nail on the head about what you were discussing above as it's the Experience factor that truly qualifies one!Quote:
Originally Posted by progunr
Re: WHAT ARE OBAMA'S QUALIFICATIONS? - City Hall - Election 2008 - Comcast.net Community Forums
NK,
See! Relax and enjoy the moment. Think of it as watching kindergartners trying to master use of the blunted scissors, a box of crayons, construction paper, and Elmer's glue.
McCain: Obama 'Absolutely' Qualified to Be President - The Talk
Experience in what, pray tell? Similar to Bush's experience (*cough*)--all that "experience' that has made him the prize he has become?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyGem
Goodness no, dear. Experience in being inexperienced, but pretending to be experienced, that's all dear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
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You refuse to answer my question? Figures.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyGem
Texas is the second largest U.S. state in both area and population. After graduating from college, Bush worked in his family's oil businesses. He made an unsuccessful run for the United States House of Representatives in 1978. He co-owned the Texas Rangers baseball team before defeating Ann Richards to become Governor of Texas in 1994. In a close and controversial election, Bush was elected to the Presidency in 2000 as the Republican candidate. You don't have to like him, but it is safe to say he made a payroll, including paying salaries and taxes. Care to review and compare the Democrats for the last 50 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
The Bush campaign was criticized for allegedly using controversial methods to disparage Richards. During his tenure as Texas governor, Bush signed the execution warrants for more death row inmates than any other Governor in the history of Texas, averaging a death every nine days. Gov. Bush's appointees at the Texas Natural Resource Conservation Commission (TNRCC) undermined new federal public health standards and state pollution inspections, rolled back regulations, and attempted to manipulate pollution data to help the industries they were charged with regulating. Many industry legislative initiatives during Gov. George W. Bush's term in office follow parallel themes: limiting liability for polluters, reducing public input on regulatory decisions, allowing 'voluntary' instead of mandatory compliance with environmental laws, and, allowing polluters to design their own anti-pollution programs. There is no trustworthy data to support Bush's exaggerated claims that Texas students' true academic proficiency dramatically improved on his watch. Every piece of trusted independent data shows the opposite.
It's too bad Obama doesn't have such great accomplishments in his back pocket.
More on Obama as a "community organizer " (in his own words... courtesy of the liberal New Yorker Magazine... don't be fooled by the stupid cover.. they love the guy)Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Yes Wondergirl I'm sure Bambi is more than qualified to be a local Chicago machine pol. and I'm sure is personally likeable .... But that is not in itself make him qualified to be POTUS . To me his postions (prior to his "shift to the middle" )are too radical.
Well, Obama wasn't a mediocre student throughout his academic career. He didn't graduate magna laude with a double major: Partying and Drinking. He didn't use his family's political connections to get him out of Vietnam or take a cushy job with the Texas National Guard. Hmmm, what could possibly qualify Obama? And how has this country done under all those other experienced Presidents? Does political experience even ensure success as President?
The Political Scene: Making It: Reporting & Essays: The New YorkerQuote:
"When I started organizing, I understood the idea of social change in a very abstract way," Obama told me last year. "It was to some extent informed by my years in Indonesia, seeing extreme poverty and disparities of wealth and understanding sort of in a dim way that life wasn’t fair and government had something to do with it. I understood the role that issues like race played and took inspiration from the civil-rights movement and what the student sit-ins had accomplished and the freedom rides.
"But I didn’t come out of a political family, didn’t have a history of activism in my family. So I understood these things in the abstract. When I went to Chicago, it was the first time that I had the opportunity to test out my ideas. And for the most part I would say I wasn’t wildly successful. The victories that we achieved were extraordinarily modest: you know, getting a job-training site set up or getting an after-school program for young people put in place."
Abstract ideas and theories qualifies him to be a professor ,not a leader.
Wow! He certainly has come a long way then, hasn't he! What a quick learner and what a dynamic speaker who will lead our country into hitherto uncharted waters of accomplishment and productivity! Thanks, Tom! You've convinced me!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
(I'm glad you qualified that with "as far as I can tell.")Quote:
tomder55 agrees: as far as I can tell Bambi's "experience was handing out fliers and generating business for slumlord Rezko.
You're slipping in the literature search department, Tom.
Ok I'm waiting breathlessly to hear what he has tangibly achieved that would convince me of his leadership ability.Quote:
Wow! He certainly has come a long way then, hasn't he! What a quick learner and what a dynamic speaker who will lead our country into hitherto uncharted waters of accomplishment and productivity!
He's quick to point out the faults of others... nah that isn't it. A critic is not an artist... and a community activist is not a national leader .
Hmmm. I've set up a few community programs and online sites all by myself, plus I have more life experience than Obama. Darn! Maybe I should have entered the big race! "Too Late Smart. Too soon old".
Are you a senator? Post your resume and we'll discuss.Quote:
Originally Posted by purplewings
Could I be your running mate? Community roast beef dinners every Thursday! Autumn bazaars! Craft fairs! Woo woo!!Quote:
Originally Posted by purplewings
How can she be older than McCain and STILL be able to operate a computer? McCain can't.
Ummm he doesn't have to... as President all he'll need do is hire people to do work on computers .Maybe BO will apply.
I never said anything about being OLDER than McCain? Or for that matter anything about McCain at all? I know Reagan was older than McCain while in office and he did a darned fine job. I hope growing older doesn't mean you have to become feeble and useless.
Then join in the next presidential race! This your chance!
Edit to add: partner up with Tom, you guys would be unbeatable.
Quest for the Presidency -- McCain Profile
Education: U.S. Naval Academy, B.S., 1958; graduate work, National War College, 1973-1974
Decision '08: Candidate Profile Twelve: John McCain
Resume: United States Navy pilot, 1958-1981; prisoner of war in Vietnam 1967-1973; recipient of the Silver Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart, and Distinguished Flying Cross; United States Congressman for Arizona, 1983-1986; United States Senator for Arizona, 1987 - present
Basically there are only three things listed on McCain's resume: Education, Military, and Politician. Senator McCain graduated in less than the bottom 2% of his class at Annapolis :eek:. Senator Obama graduated near the top of his class at Harvard Law. I can tell you guys that McCain does not have a large body of work for civilian qualifications. He can apply for more military duty, the police academy, a security guard, and perhaps secret service agencies. Assuming his pilot skills hasn't deteriorated, perhaps control tower or crop duster. And with my concern for his health and age, I could get him into a casino surveillance job, sitting down, and looking up at monitors, but not much else. I do understand why McCain's military experience has suddenly become the new Republican standard for presidency. There's simply not very much going for his campaign bid. And the situation is amusing! Back in the 2000 primaries the Pubs chose weekend warrior "Dubya" over their war hero. Politically neither McCain nor Obama has ever been more than a Senator. McCain himself has said that Obama is "absolutely" qualified.
PS. McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjoh...ord%5B1%5D.pdf
1 - Student pilot McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings.
2 - Pilot McCain III lost another plane two years later while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. ”Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral.
3 - Pilot McCain III lost number three in 1965 when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. McCain III radioed, ”I've got a flameout” and ejected at one thousand feet. The plane crashed to the ground and McCain III floated to a deserted beach.
4 - Combat pilot McCain III lost his fourth on July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk combat pilot. While waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain Jr's. plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.
5 - Combat pilot McCain III lost a fifth plane three months later (Oct. 26, 1967) during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam when he failed to avoid a surface-to-air missile. McCain III ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi. After being pulled from the lake by the North Vietnamese, McCain III was bayoneted in his left foot and shoulder and struck by a rifle butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.
This is a big advantage for him. As we already have clear proof of - America wants a president that doesn't intellectually intimidate them. The dumber the better.
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Yes, I'd be honored to be his veep. I've known Tom online for maybe more than 10 years and he's the most thoroughly politically informed person I've ever known. Plus he's very fair, and wise enough to know when we're putting our own country in danger.
Then go for it. What's stopping you? I understand it's a bit of a process but meanwhile post your resume here and we'll see if you do indeed have the experience to be the country's leader.Quote:
Originally Posted by purplewings
McCain was an Executive Officer and commander of aviation squadron, VA-174, at Cecil Field in Florida. A review of Navy records and interviews with his former colleagues paint a picture of a commander who was lionized by his troops as a war hero and respected as a fair and effective manager. It was a squadron that trained pilots . He had 50 planes and over 100 recruits to train.Total personnel around 1,000 .At the time, it was the largest squadron in the Navy.Squadron commanders have enormous responsibility. In McCain's case, he trained new and transitional pilots on carrier missions, which is very difficult. When he first took charge, the squadron had a terrible morale and maintenance record. He transformed that squadron to make it a first-rate unit. He got rid of the deadwood in its officer corps and brought in new blood.
After his tour there he was appointed to the Navy's liaison to the Senate. He became involved in the defense budget fights of the Carter years being a strong effective advocate for the military. He built personal friendships and professional collaborations across political divide that showed throughout his years in the Senate. His reputation as a "maverick " is not without merit. He has infuriated me on many occasions . However ;if you are looking for a candidate to bridge the ideological divide ,McCain has a proven track record .Bambi only talks a good game.
Slanders by Weasley Clark ,Jay Rockefeller, Tom Harkin, Ed Schultz, Keith Olbermann, and others will not diminish his record .Compared to Bambi ,McCain has a huge advantage if the issue is leadership ability or competence. The first job of a President is to keep the country safe, and McCain has decades of experience in this area. Bambi has none at all.
If you're comparing him to Bambi then I hope he does - but we aren't talking about deer here.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Obambi
Who?
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Please document the info about McCain. Also, Wesley Clark did NOT slander McCain nor did he diminsh his record.
What part do you want documented ? It is all part of the public record.
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