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bushg disagrees: id di not say ii agreed with the war only that I thank the soilders...they are just following commands

I did not say you didn't thank the soldiers. I didn't say you agreed with the war. I didn't say they weren't just following commands. In fact if you read my posts in this thread I have clearly stated I place no blame with the soldiers. Your disagreement was totally uncalled for and wrong.

I simply asked you a question how you consider this war in Iraq to be about defending our freedom and protecting our countries. That was my question.

You must not be able to read properly if you could not see that!!

Skell I did not answer your thread to begin with... I answered wiggitywackiraq.. jesus it wasn't directed at you. I'll say it again,thank you American Soldiers

Most people don't choose where they go, once they are in the military they are "sent" to war... just because someone is a soldier, doesn't mean they agree with the war. And even if they agreed with the war, the only person that can be blamed or deserves to be "spit on" is the one who started the war. And even that is up for personal interpretation. Some may feel it was the presidents fault. Some may feel it was the various terrorist organizations in Iraq. Either way, the troops cannot be blamed and only deserve our respect and support.

And because I have a feeling Rayne may say something to this extent: Those who have joined during the war may feel obligated or as if it is their duty to fight and do something honorable. To be courageous and face death, pain and suffering. That is something you, Rayne, are too cowardly to face and so you use your naïve thoughts and beliefs to hide behind. So that said, you need to stop hating on these people because they are doing something which you, nor I, even can imagine the courage it takes.

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skell I did not answer your thread to begin with... I answered wiggitywackiraq.. jesus it wasn't directed at you. I'll say it again,thank you American Soldiers

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You disagreed with my post. And what you said when you disagreed was directed at me. Do you even understand what you are saying here. Please go and read your contributions again. This includes your ratings of people answers.

Your very frustrating.

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=Greg Quinn]They are dying for oil and that's it. LOOK FOR THE ADGENDAS PEOPLE!!

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So in my quest to be as objective as possible while still hanging on to my values, I want to know more about our oil agenda. It definitely would make sense (from a capitalist standpoint), and I will admit that it may be possible that our entire purpose for going into Iraq is for control of oil (though maybe I don't want to admit that we are that corrupt of a country). This doesn't seem like something that we have any evidence for, at least that I have heard or read.

I have heard many people use this argument, and they may be right and they may be wrong. Is this documented or just opinion? I am asking sincerely.

Logically, it would seem that if this was a documented fact and not just an opinion held by some, that there would be a huge investigation led by the Dems into this. So far, I have only heard arguments about grounds for impeachment based on the lack of evidence for WMDs. This leads me to believe that it is not substantiated nor will it be (this doesn't mean that it isn't true). If it is true, why am I spending almost as much money on gasoline each month as I do on food (does this seem wrong to anyone else but me)?

I feel like spitting on someone when I drop $55 on a tank of gas. Who should I blame for this?

If we don't take control of the middle east and their oil, China and Russia will certainly get around to it. A zillion Chinese soldiers would have had it finished by now though. The same way they would finish us off if we happened to run out of oil. Thank the inept jerks, Democrats and Republicans for not giving our troops the support and the means to make short work of it. Since WWII, we seem to have forgotten how. I want to end it by winning so our troops can come home.
Rosie O'Donnal is a fat, stupid pig. I can't listen to her since I can't look at her.
As far as that little puke that spit on your buddies, he needs his a*# whooped!

This is to my friend Auttajasi : Quote... It definitely would make sense (from a capitalist standpoint), and I will admit that it may be possible that our entire purpose for going into Iraq is for control of oil (though maybe I don't want to admit that we are that corrupt of a country). This doesn't seem like something that we have any evidence for, at least that I have heard or read.
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I'm not being rude but I have a ton of info that would blow your mind and I will pm you soon... But easy info is just type in war and oil on Google and read topics that come up. I was reading the paper 3yrs ago and saw a little something about Iran, I said "Oh no that's where they are heading next!" And now look. I have a friend named Corie, awesome guy, he has kind of lost himself doing research on this and other subjects. There is a rabbit hole, and I promise that it is so much darker and deeper than you could ever imagine. Some people really hate the truth. And they choose to ignore things that are so easy to see, you just have to look. My military buds know and really don't care. I don't really respect that but at the end of their sights may be an innocent civi, and I know they wouldn't pull the trigger. I'm pretty sure you would do the same Auttajasi. Off topic... I have so many sites you should see, and I have a DVD underground collection from Corie that stands tall, I assure you that proof is thick as oil. But needs to be researched.

The War for Oil

War For Oil?

In Iraqi War Scenario, Oil Is Key Issue (washingtonpost.com)
That is just a few. Make sure you investigate with out prejudice and tell me if you find more than motive. I have so many sites in my mind but can't retrieve any off hand due to my dropping all of this about a year ago. It can be too much. I'll have a few for tomorrow.

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And because I have a feeling Rayne may say something to this extent: Those who have joined during the war may feel obligated or as if it is their duty to fight and do something honorable. To be courageous and face death, pain and suffering. That is something you, Rayne, are too cowardly to face and so you use your naive thoughts and beliefs to hide behind. So that said, you need to stop hating on these people because they are doing something which you, nor I, even can imagine the courage it takes.

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Oops... I disagree with that last bit, that's what happens when you have a kid. Sorry I was distracted. Rayne is not a COWARD as far as I know and I'm pretty sure you as well, you have not seen this person in action what so ever! You can't just go and say something like that. In prison if you call someone a rat they better be a f***'n rat. Well, where I come from if you if you call someone a coward you better be damn sure they are one. People have opinions and sometimes they are wrong and deserve a verbal lick, but that had 0 wit in it. Why did you call Rayne a coward?

First of all thank you for serving our country. My husband recently returned from Iraq and my father a 37 year retired marine served in veitnam. All I can say is simply this FORGET ABOUT ROSIE ODONNELL!! its nothing but a ratings ploy and she's off the show now for good. Don't listen to the celebrity mentality cause no one believes it. Rose is a stupid insincere woman who has nothing but her own agenda to work on. She wants her own show and thinks this is how to get it.
That said. Every man woman and child here are for the soldiers. We are pro soldier. There's not one person who is not affected by having a family member or knows someone who is serving. Even with my husband home, I still pray for everyone of you to come home safely.
As for the veitnam mentality, you got to see that we are the children of those service people who weren't treated with respect and called baby burner as my father was at the time of his home coming. We don't like the war or any war. But we do support the soldiers over there fighting. You walk on walls and tell us it's going to be allright. You walk off planes on a 30/30 insertion and don't blink an eye. You don't just serve your country you are the back bone of the country. You are the reason that flag stands for freedom.
So let Rosie have her say and let all her hot air out. Once she's done that, she'll disappear into thin air.

I'm proud to know people like you, my husband and my father does too.

Be careful and be safe. Come home soon. We love you.

Ha ha... sorry I was angry. There should be a "maybe" in there somewhere. But still, she has no idea what it is like. Neither do I really for that matter. But I have had friends in the war and friends who have contemplated joining the war. Most of them are sick with fear before they decide to do it. It's tough and I wish soldiers would just be respected for how courageous they are.

Deedee you call me a coward. I suppose you could say that, but I disagree. If I am a coward then why do I not fear speaking my mind weither you or anyone like what I say or not? Some people are too scared to speak their mind, I'm not. That makes your staement contradictory I'm not scared of anything except that maybe I wolnt go to heaven. I've taken care of myself for years and in doing so got my way out of tough spots.. Point is I never once said or meant to say that I don't have respect for soldiers. I do, and I do wish them all well, but sorry they aid in something I do not support and thus I cannot comply with what they do. I'm in no way naïve, I have had to grow up faster then a lot of kids do. My folks weren't there to teach me things I taught myself. I'm certainly not going to allow someone who knows nothing of me break me down. Sorry I have more strength then that. Your 18 right? Your probably still in school, so I think you have some more learning to do. As do we all. Only some of us have to learn faster then others. You see things one way as many other people may too. Sometime's being open minded is a good thing.

Rayne, I apologize for calling you a coward... honestly I didn't really mean it to be so harsh... it was more of a proposition not a statement.

Yea, I'm pretty familiar with a Google search. That's how I got here. I wanted to know what you thought about it. There are a million sites about the "War for oil." I am not inclined to believe something just because someone wrote it and posted it on the internet trying to increase traffic to their site, while at the same time, raking in some dough from advertisers. Anybody can write an article.

I Wrote:
"I have heard many people use this argument, and they may be right and they may be wrong. Is this documented or just opinion? I am asking sincerely."
"Documented" may have been the wrong word to use. In my field, documented doesn't mean just written down somewhere. It means published in a scholarly journal that has been peer reviewed.

I could write an article about how the Democrats actually blackmailed Bush into invading Iraq, but writing it wouldn't make it true.

The point I tried (and clearly failed) to make was that if this is so great an argument, why is it not the basis for Bush's impeachment? I would think this argument would be highly more effective than lying about WMDs (I'm still not convinced he lied. I think he may have been fooled like everybody else. Remember, you argue that he isn't the sharpest crayon in the box).
I am saying that it WOULD make sense from a capitalist standpoint and it MAY be possible, and it could also be seen as just a bonus for overthrowing one of the world's most vicious dictators. I've read a tiny chunk of the 32 million + sites on "war oil iraq" and there are a lot of good arguments in you favor. I want clear evidence and not just circumstantial.
To me, the fact that the Dems are pretty much leaving this one alone, tells me that while it may be a good argument, it is very hard to prove someone's intentions, and it isn't a can of worms that they want to open right now.
Dan Rather tried one of his hunches, and it turned out to be a huge journalistic mistake which cost him his career. Not saying that he wouldn't have been right (who knows; not my can or worms), but the lack of concrete evidence is what killed him.

Jesus I wish I was at home to help you with that... But the weapons of mass destruction should have been dealt with a long time ago. Try to find a documentary from a director that did the movie "trading places with Dan Ackroyd and Eddie Murphy" Its called "The truth about the Iraq war." Watch this and then look at when it was made... I promise you there are a lot of credentials in that one. Inarguable, that alone is not underground material and should be easy to find. That will set you on track for wmd's. I would say more than concrete. Indictable? LMAO!!

Its not bush, it's a group called the illuminati, and his henchmen.

I thought it was Skull and Bones?

Quote: tomder55 agrees: I did not know we exported our tin-foil hats to Canada.

Did you know that your administration has been making back door deals with our government about that war, and just about 5 and a half months ago George Bush and Stephen Harper {my idiot PM} made a silly deal, it started in 2005 and then early o7 they really brought it up. Canada oil sands to help meet Bush Mideast oil cut
Quote" UofA : George Bush could get closer to his goal of cutting U.S. dependence on Middle East crude but it won't be his futuristic plan to run cars on fuel made from wood chips or hydrogen that will do the trick.
It's Canada.?Bush laid out a plan in his State of the Union speech earlier this week to slash crude imports from the Middle East 75 percent by 2025, replacing the oil with alternative fuels at home.??
But yet-to-be released numbers from the U.S. Energy Information Administration, the analytical arm of the Department of Energy, show that crude from Canada's Alberta oil sands will help cut U.S. Mideast oil dependence by half in two decades.??
When Bush called for the cut in his speech he was targeting the current forecast of 6 million barrels per day of Mideast oil in 2025, hoping to cut it down to around 1.5 million barrels a day.??
New estimates the EIA plans to release later this month predict America's Mideast imports will be 3 million barrels a day in two decades, an EIA official told Reuters.??
The new data will show U.S. oil imports from Canada surging to 2.7 million barrels a day in 2025 from 1.6 million barrels currently. About three out of four of those barrels will be from Alberta's oil sands, where record oil prices have created a boom in investment.??

There is debate within the agency on whether the United States could take all of Canada's oil sands production, which the EIA estimates will be 3.2 million barrels a day in two decades.??

"If (the United States) receives it all, which we don't have in our forecast, it could reduce even more our dependence on the Middle East" oil supply, the EIA official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.?




About 95 percent of Canada's estimated 179 billion barrels of proven oil reserves are oil sands deposits in Alberta, according to the EIA.??
Now over the next five years we are expected to multiply our oil sand production 5 TIMES what it is now, 60% of Canada's emissions come from our oil sand production as of now. imagine how long this will go on? There will be a day when we say screw you! Your gov has screwed us out of our soft lumber and bought only our hard wood for so long. You have been taking our energy for nothing and raising all of our prices, "sun-cor California debt". And our fuel will eventually not be so cheap. So thank-you for the tin foil hats at least it's something. When your country decides to elect a war on Canada for our oil... Keep your eyes peeled for a tinfoil hat wearing guy strapped to a bomb.

You clearly have missed or failed to acknowledge my point again, so I may have to respectfully and humbly bow out of this one.

Yea, I have seen the video. I try to do my research despite what you may think. Unfortunately, if I am trying to find the bipartisan truth about something, moveon.org is NOT the place to go. Yes, the movie has high ranking officials speaking out, but in my opinion, it is a moot point. Nobody believes Bush and the current govt officials. Why should anybody be inclined to believe a handfull of former officials?

I am truly interested in the truth. Believe it or not, I am still in the middle on this one.
So far, I am convinced that taking out Saddam was a good thing.
I believe that the majority of the Iraqis are grateful for this despite what the media portrays.
I love the troops and support them 100%.
I think Rosie is a loose cannon and shouldn't even be considered a reliable source of information (on almost anything).
I feel that people should support the troops 100% despite what their reservations about the war or this administration may be.
I feel that protesting the war on Memorial Day is nothing more than a swift kick in the crotch to the families of those who have made the ultimate sacrifice (one of my best friends lost his life in Iraq), and those that are currently serving in the military. Any other day is fine. Yea, I know. Freedom of speech, but for cryin' out loud people; HAVE SOME COMPASSION.
These are not facts. These are my opinions.

I am not convinced, however, that we went about the war the right way or at the right time. Despite my service in the Marines, and my tour in Iraq, I am trying to look at this as objectively as possible. I clearly won't find the truth on the news. I'm not going to find it by watching a moveon.org movie or by going to a Hannity freedom concert. Clearly each of these avenues has an agenda, and that only pollutes the information and hinders someone's chances of finding the real truth.

You are welcome to PM me. I am never afraid to debate something.

Autta - You are a fine young man. So proud of you. So very proud.


There is something very disturbing about his last line of his post and personally, I would rethink welcoming a PM.

As I said I am not at home, I am lacking recsources and appoligized for that. There is a guy named Alex Jones. He has a web site... Find it, go through all of it. Take his links and have at er! He has all the answers you are looking for and more. You are not looking for a debate nor do you welcome one. You will surely avoid the truth and claim to have read up. Sorry you lost my respect. ALEX JONES

1) Can someone explain to me what a tin foil hat is. I have no clue. Thank you.
2) Greg, May I ask what you are thinking when you dare to disresepct one of our servicemen, past or present. Greg, how dare you. I know he does not need me defending him, surely, but it is a high insult to him as well as all service personnel and our entire country when you show such disrespect. Think I am exaggerting, I am not.

You do not have to agree with him, but I would hope you would have enough self respect to know enough to show one of ours the upmost of respect.

How dare you talk to one of ours that way. You do not have that right whatsover. None.
I would never ever speak to one of your military that way ever. I have met several Canadaian military personnel and they were some of the finest and resepctable men I had the pleasure of knowing. I also gave them the highest respect, I ask you do the same of our American military.

Shame on you.

*This Is A Thread Closure Warning*
Get back to the original point and avoid making disparaging personal remarks or it will be closed.

Autta:
Good question?

Iraq for oil would make sense in a capitalistic sense [ as opposed to going to Darfur or Rwanda ] but if I were to go to Iraq solely for that reason I would have annexed there oil fields already, which the US to my knowledge has not done. Again I don't think anyone has official notarized government documents to prove this -otherwise it would have been exposed, or least shredded and burned.
I don't think the Democrats are pursuing this because they are the party blocking further US oil exploration, extraction etc. e.g.. Anwr. They would be an indirect cause of going to war with Iraq for oil.


As to wmds - not only has there been US but also Russian intelligence regarding this.
Saddam has used chemical weapons in the past - ask the Kurds. It is like the wind - you can feel it and see its effects but you can't prove it by videotape [ unless it were a tornado ].


Grace and Peace

I got to page 3 of this thread and I want to just respond to the original post.

I, as an American, support every soilder in the United States of America Military. I think it takes courage and bravery to do what you do.
I think our military - worldwide - keeps us safe. I think because of our military we are provided with certain liberties. I applaud the soldiers fighting for our country.

As for the war, I wish it would end. I wish every soilder could come home.
I do not support the war anymore because the longer it goes on - the more apparent it seems to be for no reason. I do not want another one of our soldiers dying.
Saying that though does not mean I do not support you, the soilder.

Thank you for your service and come home soon.

Attn: Start over 22:I saw your comment on the watching the documentary the truth about the war in Iraq, this is a documentary that has been straight to the point from the get go. It says that the government has lied about weapons of mass destruction. This documentary was made by a famous film maker... If the gentleman I had been in discussion with on that subject says that he has seen this film, and still believes it is possible for a second that his government never lied. He clearly never watched this movie. I have read your posts and advice and have seen that you are calm and reasonable. I am a little more of a hot head when people lie to me. This gentleman and I had private messaged a few times. He asks questions... But won't believe numbers and facts that have been presented, even with reference. This film simply proved it self to be right, it presented government based facts and proof through out, and could never ever be taken in any other way having watched it. I know that there are movies that you could walk away and debate over the point of facts... This is and was not that movie. If a person were to disagree with this they would have to either 1: NOT have watched this documentary, or 2: Will not accept facts in order to protect their image of something they want to believe in. Either way, I feel that I have been duped into explaining and having a discussion with a brick wall that asks questions but will object to any answer.

[/QUOTE] Auttajasi:

(though maybe I don't want to admit that we are that corrupt of a country). This doesn't seem like something that we have any evidence for, at least that I have heard or read.

I have heard many people use this argument, and they may be right and they may be wrong. Is this documented or just opinion? I am asking sincerely. /UnQuote.

I am now done on this subject. You should all look into what is going on in your country. From your Vote counting machines, Who owns them? Who is Bushes biggest contributor? These issues are linked.
I have my archives here and am going to give you some available underground Dvds.

Loose change-

Confronting the evidence:9-11

Loose change 2 louder than words-

Alex Jones police state 1 2&3

Alex Jones Martial Law-

Alex Jones American Dictators- This one is really good.

Alex Jones Terror storm -

And of course :The truth about the Iraq war-

These are just a few of the ones I have, please look into this... My friends think I am amazing for having found these things, but it was really my friend Corie. These videos are not for the week minded. Keep old people away. Old people do not want to hear this stuff, I don't blame them. THESE ARE AMERICAN VIDEOS! Made by great Americans.

Good luck. Greg Quinn

I supprot our efforts in Iraq, and world-wide. And anyone who likes to post messages on the web should, too. Without our governmetns attempts to keep the battle off our beaches, we couldn't sip our lattes and guffaw at world politics while keeping in touch on our Blackberries.

Our troops and their efforts are greatly, deeply, and dearly appreciated. Don't ever think otherwise!

americans love, respect and value our soldiers, (All of them.) I would like (and would) to kick the crap out of anyone who would spit on one.I am also sure that if that person Had not known that those soldiers would not do the same he would not have done that (like all cowards)

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americans love, respect and value our soldiers, (All of them.) I would like (and would) to kick the crap out of anyone who would spit on one.I am also sure that if that person Had not known that those soldiers would not do the same he would not have done that (like all cowards)

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Im not being anti troops here matt. If you read my posts you will see I respect the troops like most others.

But sure when you say you love "all of them" you don't mean the ones that rape and torture do you? Small minority I know, but it is something that has occurred none the less!

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Attn: Start over 22:I saw your comment on the watching the documentary the truth about the war in Iraq, this is a documentary that has been straight to the point from the get go. It says that the government has lied about weapons of mass destruction. This documentary was made by a famous film maker...If the gentleman I had been in discussion with on that subject says that he has seen this film, and still believes it is possible for a second that his government never lied. He clearly never watched this movie. I have read your posts and advice and have seen that you are calm and reasonable. I am a little more of a hot head when people lie to me. This gentleman and I had private messaged a few times. He asks questions...But wont believe numbers and facts that have been presented, even with reference. This film simply proved it self to be right, it presented government based facts and proof through out, and could never ever be taken in any other way having watched it. I know that their are movies that you could walk away and debate over the point of facts...This is and was not that movie. If a person were to disagree with this they would have to either 1: NOT have watched this documentary, or 2: Will not accept facts in order to protect their image of something they want to believe in. Either way, I feel that I have been duped into explaining and having a discussion with a brick wall that asks questions but will object to any answer.

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Auttajasi:
(though maybe I don't want to admit that we are that corrupt of a country). This doesn't seem like something that we have any evidence for, at least that I have heard or read.

I have heard many people use this argument, and they may be right and they may be wrong. Is this documented or just opinion? I am asking sincerely. /UnQuote.

I am now done on this subject. You should all look into what is going on in your country. From your Vote counting machines, Who owns them? Who is Bushes biggest contributor? These issues are linked.
I have my archives here and am going to give you some available underground Dvds.

Loose change-

Confronting the evidence:9-11

Loose change 2 louder than words-

Alex Jones police state 1 2&3

Alex Jones Martial Law-

Alex Jones American Dictators- This one is really good.

Alex Jones Terror storm -

And of course :The truth about the Iraq war-

These are just a few of the ones I have, please look into this... My friends think I am amazing for having found these things, but it was really my friend Corie. These videos are not for the week minded. Keep old people away. Old people do not want to hear this stuff, I don't blame them. THESE ARE AMERICAN VIDEOS! Made by great Americans.

Good luck. Greg Quinn[/QUOTE]

Don't forget Art Bell And George Nori on the CoasttocoastAM Website. I'll bet Corie listens to them. Conspiracy Theories will drive you mad if you let them. Just trust in Divine Intervention. Alex Jones is a great guy and I am sure he means well but he believe our own Gov. hit the Twin Towers. He is a bit over board. Do you actually believe everything he proclaims?

I thought anything was better than CNN but have you ever watched Lou Dobbs? The guy is right on and he takes no prisoners. He was the first to report about the North American Union. Yesterday, he had some meat packers Union Business Agent on and picked his bones about hiring illegal aliens and the effect it has had on wages going from $19.00 per hour to $9.00 per hour. The idiot was speechless. What could he say? That is why the borders are open, so corporate America can drop our wages to slave pay.

Dobbs is OK. I like your Fact/Quote on Arnie, man he's a dirty bastar* if I ever saw one. He was my hero for so long growing up. It was such a shame to see so many things I never saw before. Now I see his wife Maria Schriver on Oprah and it bothers me.
Oh yeah... I know how that conspiracy stuff can get you out there, Corie is still in the rabbit hole and the Green pill is wearing off. Lol, I left this stuff for a while and stuck to Bill Maher. Now I come in here and this fraud soldier is faking knowledge. I hate that... Just wasted so much of my day on him. Whatever. I think God created evolution as well. LOL... Willie Nelson should be president.

I think you and I may have closed this bar down! MAGPROB? Lets go to the STD blogs and find us a few females. Lol TTyl

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Im not being anti troops here matt. If you read my posts you will see i respect the troops like most others.

But sure when you say you love "all of them" you dont mean the ones that rape and torture do you? Small minority i know, but it is something that has occurred none the less!!

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Yes well there are criminals in any group. I think you should know that no one cares for immoral solders anymore than they care for immoral people in general. You seem to attempt to take any chance you can to degrade anything American. Well let me tell you this, it is and will always be the greatest country on earth (so get over it.) When the day comes that whatever country you live in needs help (of any kind), I bet I can tell you who will be the first there... American soldiers.

How sad in a thread about a soldier the word "liar" would be even possible.

Got to tell you, that red box I wear proudly.

Staying on topic here...

I also like to add that most if not all of my post refer to the brave US troops, believe you me, the troops from around the world, who are our friends and stand right beside us through all of this madness, are in my heart and prayers as well. Bless all of them and may they all be coming home soon safe and sound.

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Im not being anti troops here matt. If you read my posts you will see i respect the troops like most others.

But sure when you say you love "all of them" you dont mean the ones that rape and torture do you? Small minority i know, but it is something that has occurred none the less!!

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I see that you got a bunch of reddies for that one but I don't get their point. Here is the premise: we are supposed to dismiss the small minority of soldiers that rape, torture and kill civilians out of retaliation/frustration but we should not dismiss the small minority of people that alledgely spat on a soldier. Something seems wrong here. There are fringe people in every society. Just being a member of a certain group does not grant you instant respect, that is earned individually. Same holds true for priests, politicians, etc.

Sorry Skell, I didn't see you get a bunch of reddies for that. I will take a look at it after I am done here. I do see what your saying, here's my take on it:

Oh NK now way could I personally EVER dismiss the inhumans that would dare spit on a soldier. Disgusting on so many levels.

Now, as far as I am concern, those who put a uniform on and did those horrible things were not and are not soldiers. The are not considered a part nor member of that group. They are sick individuals and their actions should never distort the image of the fine upstanding soldier.

Same things goes for those who put on the priest collar and do those horrific things. Sorry, they are not priest and never ever were.

By Definition - A soldier is an honorable man or women who brave defends his or her country in a distinquised way. By that definition, for those who fall into that category, you bet, I love every one of them.

You guys will have a field day with this one - go on, go ahead :). It's just how I categorize it, it is my beliefs and what I feel truths. I am not saying they are right, but it is strongly what I believe. I would never ever let the sick ones who do those things take anything away from those that give so much.

Oh and I am sure that your country, will respond likewise for us.Its what good people do for each other. I nowhere in my post mentioned anything about criminals, being included, those "people" are later prosecuted by, yeah you guessed it other soldiers. I am just saying picking apart a post simply to imply your own opinions is obnoxious, and disrespectful of me and out troops. Our military has the highest code of ethics of any military organization in the history of the world.

Allheart, you said it girlie! I think the majority of us are behind you.

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Originally Posted by Matt3046

Yes well there are criminals in any group. I think you should know that no one cares for immoral solders anymore than they care for immoral people in general. You seem to attempt to take any chance you can to degrade anything American. Well let me tell you this, it is and will always be the greatest country on earth (so get over it.) When the day comes that whatever country you live in needs help (of any kind), I bet I can tell you who will be the first there... American soldiers.

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Once again I will say that this is utter BS! Complete and utter BS!!

I did not and have not degraded anything American. If you cared to read my posts, if you are even capable of understanding them correctly, you would see that I always state I am not anti American. I am not. I merely ask questions. As I did above.

I don't agree with many things your government does, just as I don't agree with many things my governenment does. So what do I do, I question them.

I don't shove my head in my butt and pretend things don't happen like you would.

I take offense to your post and to magprobs agreement with it.

For the record Mag, I am absolutely horrified at the ill treatment of Aborigines. And if you care to know I volunteer at a University and help aboriginal students with their classes. It appalls me even more to hear some of the stories they have to tell me.

Unlike you and matt rather than just sit and whine about it on an internet site I get up and do something about it! I help the people that I see in need and that we as a country have mistreated. Don't get me started on American Indians and the hate portrayed by your population.

Matt, all I asked was that you can't say you support all American troops. Just like you can't say all Muslims are terrorists.

Please read Karma post above for what I'm getting at!!

And refrain from making unfounded allegations about what I supposedly think of your country. ]

And the best country in the world tag has already been taken buddy. You can have No. 2!! :)

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Originally Posted by Matt3046

Oh and I am sure that your country, will respond likewise for us.Its what good people do for each other. I nowhere in my post mentioned anything about criminals, being included, those "people" are later prosecuted by, yeah you guessed it other soldiers. I am just saying picking apart a post simply to imply your own opinions is obnoxious, and disrespectful of me and out troops. Our military has the highest code of ethics of any millitary orginization in the history of the world.

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I did not pick apart your post. I agreed with it.

I merely aksed a question. Questions are there to be asked.

You immediately went on the defensive. Why? I never disrespected anyone. Who was I obnoxious. Your making more unfounded claims against me. Complete BS. Prove to me my obnoxiousness. Prove my disrespect.

Asking questions are not disrespectful Matt!!

How do you know your military has the highest code of ethics of any in the world. Again, please prove it to me.

There is nothing wrong of being proud of your country, heck, I'm the proudest aussie you will meet. But it doesn't mean I can't see fault. It is something you seem to have a great problem doing.

You have deeply offended me with your comments on this post matt.

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magprob agrees: That is the truth. We all have skeletons in our closets. Aboriginal people were not treated real well.

Care to explain to me your point mag??

We do all have skeletons in our closet. I don't have a problem opening the closet unlike some of you seem to!

I love opening my closet, it shows dignity and respect for others to be humble!