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Originally Posted by tomder55

There are alot of tangential issues . One being it is absurd that the police could not subdue this clown without the use of props. I saw the video and a couple of them are women Did they have the physical strength to handle him without the use of a device ? If not ;why not ?

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I do know that there is no comparison here to Kent State. I find it more comparable to an attention monger who runs on a ball field .Believe me they would prefer getting zapped to the therapeutic massage they receive as an alternative.

BTW ;I hear Kerry recommended him for a Purple Heart .

The Kent State comment had to do with over-reaction, not results; so it is applicable in the sense I meant it.

Frankly your picture is disingenuous, why didn’t you show the one with him down on his back and six or seven officers over him.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

The Kent State comment had to do with over-reaction, not results; so it is applicable in the sense I meant it.

Having reread the exchange and the context in which you made the "Kent State comment", I'm just not buying your explanation, DC.

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Frankly your picture is disingenuous, why didn’t you show the one with him down on his back and six or seven officers over him.

What difference would a different picture make, DC?

He behaved badly, ignored the very rules of debate he agreed to when selected to ask his questions, ignored the lawful order of Law Enforcement Officers and then proceeded to resist his lawful removal from the premises by the Law Enforcement Officers.

I ask you again, What difference would a different picture make?

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Originally Posted by iamgrowler

Having reread the exchange and the context in which you made the "Kent State comment", I'm just not buying your explanation, DC.

What difference would a different picture make, DC?

He behaved badly, ignored the very rules of debate he agreed to when selected to ask his questions, ignored the lawful order of Law Enforcement Officers and then proceeded to resist his lawful removal from the premises by the Law Enforcement Officers.

I ask you again, What difference would a different picture make?

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Originally Posted by iamgrowler

You're kinda sick in the head there, DC.

I think we operate on levels far to removed from each other for us to chat; let’s leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

I think we operate on levels far to removed from each other for us to chat; let’s leave it at that.

Then might I suggest you exercise your inalienable right to add me to your ignore list?

Seriously.

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Originally Posted by iamgrowler

I ask you again, What difference would a different picture make?

Everyone is going to interpret the images how they want. I see what you described, "He behaved badly, ignored the very rules of debate he agreed to when selected to ask his questions, ignored the lawful order of Law Enforcement Officers and then proceeded to resist his lawful removal from the premises by the Law Enforcement Officers."

I also see that before he threw a fit, acted like an a$$ and resisted arrest the police tried to escort him away calmly. If you watch the video you'll also hear a woman officer tell him several times to "stop resisting" followed by what sounds like "what did he say, stop resisting," then a male officer warning him "you will be tased if you do not" - and I believe comply was the next word. Then while still resisting (and after Kerry's horrible joke) Meyer yells "get the f**k off of me." Well guess what? He got tased. He deserved it.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Everyone is going to interpret the images how they want. I see what you described, "He behaved badly, ignored the very rules of debate he agreed to when selected to ask his questions, ignored the lawful order of Law Enforcement Officers and then proceeded to resist his lawful removal from the premises by the Law Enforcement Officers."

I also see that before he threw a fit, acted like an a$$ and resisted arrest the police tried to escort him away calmly. If you watch the video you'll also hear a woman officer tell him several times to "stop resisting" followed by what sounds like "what did he say, stop resisting," then a male officer warning him "you will be tased if you do not" - and I believe comply was the next word. Then while still resisting (and after Kerry's horrible joke) Meyer yells "get the f**k off of me." Well guess what? He got tased. He deserved it.

I think many here are missing the real issue, certainty after the police told him to leave he became a jerk; the questionable injustice was stopping him in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

the questionable injustice was stopping him in the first place.

Not if he agreed to the terms of the debate/forum.

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Originally Posted by iamgrowler

Not if he agreed to the terms of the debate/forum.

Well we will just have to wait and see where it goes. The State is going to do an investigation of the police department and two officers have been suspended.

Kerry, D-Mass. said Tuesday he regretted that a healthy discussion was interrupted, and said he never had a dialogue end that way in 37 years of public appearances.

"Whatever happened, the police had a reason, had made their decision that there was something they needed to do. Then it's a law enforcement issue, not mine," he told The Associated Press in Washington.

Here is an interesting take

“I was at the Kerry speech today, sitting 2 rows away from all the action. I'll let you know how it really went down.

Eyewitness Account of Taser Incident at Kerry Speech « Animam Recro

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

Frankly your picture is disingenuous, why didn’t you show the one with him down on his back and six or seven officers over him.

Actually, I think the picture is perfect - it shows him moving in the direction OF THE STAGE. Kind of explains why six or seven officers tackled him.

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Well we will just have to wait and see where it goes. The State is going to do an investigation of the police department and two officers have been suspended.

Yes, suspended with pay... big downer for the officers, big punishment, too.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

I think many here are missing the real issue, certainty after the police told him to leave he became a jerk; the questionable injustice was stopping him in the first place.

I am trying to follow your line of reasoning to its inevitable conclusion: That any person should be allowed to express their views, at any forum, for whatever length of time they deem necessary, without interruption. Correct?

What if I chose to present a rambling solioquy (offensive or not), at the funeral or wedding service of a beloved member of your family? What if I chose to do the same at your daughter's college commencement ceremony? At what point would you say enough is enough, or would you?

I can understand the valid examples of civil disobedience that you have cited. The sad Kent State incident was a result of kids, not old enough to shave, being in a situation that neither side could handle. The exuberance of youth, and perhaps an excess of testosterone, can, if unchecked result in bad results. This is the real world, and not an academic exercise.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

Here is an interesting take

“I was at the Kerry speech today, sitting 2 rows away from all the action. I’ll let you know how it really went down.

Well, does this account in any way change your opinion of how the situation was handled?

BTW, if you have issues with the attributions, or lack of, don't sweat it, I have issues as well.

Also -- FWIW, I have issues with the use of Tasers by law enforcement in general and in this instance in particular.

Was it really necessary to use a Taser with six officers on the scene?

I don't think so.

Then again, since the Taser has replaced the baton among LEO's, the outcome could have been very, very different.

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Originally Posted by iamgrowler

Then again, since the Taser has replaced the baton among LEO's, the outcome could have been very, very different.

Very valid point, growler. And I'd like someone to tell me, what would have been different if the LEO's had let that guy get any closer and perhaps made contact with the esteemed Senator? Or one of his staff?

Chances are, the people that were there to protect everyone at that forum would be subject to legal action. Even if someone wasn't touched or harmed, only traumatized by the events.

This entire incident has seen enough air-time, both here and on the networks, to fill volumes! Some will always favor "his" version, and other will always be able to accept the reality of what actually transpired.

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Originally Posted by CaptainRich

Chances are, the people that were there to protect everyone at that forum would be subject to legal action. Even if someone wasn't touched or harmed, only traumatized by the events.

Yes, because god forbid someone get their feelings hurt, or get scared... Sad, really.

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Originally Posted by jillianleab

Yes, because god forbid someone get their feelings hurt, or get scared.... Sad, really.

Sometimes that's all it takes... LOL

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Originally Posted by iamgrowler

Well, does this account in any way change your opinion of how the situation was handled?

BTW, if you have issues with the attributions, or lack of, don't sweat it, I have issues as well.

Also -- FWIW, I have issues with the use of Tasers by law enforcement in general and in this instance in particular.

Was it really necessary to use a Taser with six officers on the scene?

I don't think so.

Then again, since the Taser has replaced the baton among LEO's, the outcome could have been very, very different.

Yes, it makes all the difference in the world; it accounts for why the police happened to be standing behind the student when the video started, that bothered me. It also explains why they were telling him to stop and leave the makeshift podium when he had just begun asking a question.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

Yes, it makes all the difference in the world; it accounts for why the police happened to be standing behind the student when the video started, that bothered me. It also explains why they were telling him to stop and leave the makeshift podium when he had just begun asking a question.

Good grief DC, did you watch the video? I did furnish one video, here it is from another angle from the beginning of his escapade.

Where should the police be, at the back of the room? He rambled for 30 seconds, it wasn't exactly "just begun to ask a question."

Neither shows the student running to the front of the line, one starts with Kerry and pans to the student standing, the other starts with the student.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

Neither shows the student running to the front of the line, one starts with Kerry and pans to the student standing, the other starts with the student.

How many angles do you need DC? Here is yet another, beginning with Meyer breaking free from the police and running back in the direction of the Senator. That makes him a threat to a US Senator.