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Raynefreak disagrees: as I said no one said its all one persons fault. I'm not going to go over what I said again.

Just so the confusion ends. I was the one that said the president is to blame. That he does need to take all the blame. It was in one of my comments but Rayne not once has said that.

Hope this clears up anything and I am sorry if I offended anybody about my comments but I do believe a president should take the blame. At the same time, now looking at my comment it was wrong for me to state that. We need to put the blame on the people who keep voting him in too. So now in defeat I hide and run but admit that my statement was wrong. He should not take all the blame.

Joe

LOL! Joe, I had to spread the rep... but you always make me laugh! I wasn't trying to pick on you or anyone in that comment, just voicing my opinion. All's fair in love in war.

Jesushelper:

It takes a real man to say sorry , even though you did not have to

Grace and Peace

Takes an even BIGGER one to right the wrong --whatever it is

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Originally Posted by navy_sr_chief

Rockerchick,
Thank you for your concern for the troops - considering I am one and have served in the Middle East in support of the Global War on Terrorism and will probably go back again before I retire from active duty. Just remember, if it were not for the sacrifices of the generations before you, you would not have the freedom to speak you mind in this forum.

I will keep that in mind, stay safe

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Originally Posted by alkalineangel

I agree that we have homelessness, and that the government tends to try and control things like marriage laws that they shouldnt have a right to, but I still am not against a war that is doing good in a country that needed help. Dont you think those people deserved to live lives of their choosing, instead of the choosing of a dictator? Is it right for someone to think they can come here on our soil and disrupt thousands of lives in a matter of minutes? It is sad that the men and women fighting may die and that mothers may never say goodbye, but those soldiers signed up for their job. It was their decision to go there. They are defending our freedoms and that was their choice...and most of them would do it all over again if given the opportunity.

I agree, and I'm glad we're helping people, especially the women that were being treated so horribly. I don't think Iraq was the center of terrorism though. I don't have a solid view on the war because I really don't know enough about it. I just wish so many lives had to be lost because of it.

The argument of "oh well you go and do a better job" should be left in the school ground where it belongs.

Childish argument at best!

Our leaders take on the job of leading us. They are not forced. In fact they push very hard and spend a hell of a lot of money to get there. They have to take responsibility for what happens under their watch.

Not all the responsibility (as we must be personally responsible too), but they must take it none the less.

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Originally Posted by navy_sr_chief

Raynefreak,

I have nothing against young people. Hell, I have yet to hit 40 myself. I just hate to see people such a limited life experience making such bold statements when everyone knows it’s just the ignorance of youth speaking. By the way, if you and your generation are going to takeover the world, please for God’s sake, take someone with you to proof read your propaganda. Otherwise, none of us is ever going to know what the heck you are trying to get across in your rants.

Our maturity varies, as with every generation. I could never take over the world... hmm I wonder how the government will be in twenty years. Probably the same. I'm glad propaganda isn't like it used to be

Yes I think that statement was completely wack. I mean seriously, were going to take over the world? Give me a bloody break.

Oh, they do not need to worry about you Rayne, or Rockerchick.

They should be worried about dr.evil. He will truly take over the world.

You crack me up, lol. But I mean that statement was so crazy it was bound to be made fun of lol.

No sir people like YOU are why we have terrorism.. but what does that matter? That's not the issue, and this isn't your topic, your off base.

I think he is a troll... he has anwered many posts with this attitude... including one on the pregnancy topic... I found another troll earlier... and reported him this could be the same guy...

Ppl are arswipes and I think they come here just to be so.

There has been an increase in the trolls lately, I have noticed. I think they caught on. But I'm having fun weeding them out... I think I'm going to start posting pics of the troll in central park to every comment they make... just for the fun of it.. lol.

Do it that'd be funny as heck lol!!
ROFL

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Originally Posted by Raynefreak

Ok, for all posts regarding this type of comment, i think your completely off topic. ... I'd vote for Pink ANYDAY! She has a good heart, stregnth, courage, leadership abilities ... you do not agree with freedooom of speech ... If you ask me, song writters on these subjects ARE changing the world. One heart at a time.

How was I off topic? I could sit here and list a million and one things that need changing, but without actually actively doing something to change them you're just whinging!

If something upsets you that much go out and do something about it!

I fail to see how Pink has leadership abilities, fair play, she bang out a tune, but seriously - run a whole country? I doubt it very much!

I also fail to see how my post was against freedom of speech? Can you explain that? I didn't say she shouldn't write the songs, I just said they're of no consequence!

The only way I can imagine these songs are changing the world are if people are listening to them and going out and helping people as a direct result - otherwise people are just going 'Wow, powerful lyrics'

I'm curious Rayne, you said you'd vote for Pink, who did you vote for, because the governmment - and president - you hate so much managed to get voted into office... twice!

I didn't vote for anyone. Manly because of my personal feelings on that matter. I may not like the government but I don't support government. I'm not goingto vote for stupid people. I don't believe in voting right now-but that is my right. However, if I was to feel different and someone I liked or thought could be a good prez sure id vote for them I guess. My statement regarding Pink being prez was an example. I never said she'd actually be perfecrt for the job. I said she may have a few traits that a leader would need. If we took a chance on someone whom we aren't sure about, we may end up having a great prez. Maybe we need someone other then republic or democratic. Anyway, I think your taking my comment too seriously. It was meant as an example that anyone can change the world, even those you don't expect. I do feel that song writters are changing the world. When I hear a song that I can relate to or that ''wakes'' me up in some way I start thinking a bit differently about things. I know for a fact that people can be changed by songs, poems and art. The power of words and art are a very strong thing. I also wasn't the only person who agreed with my comments, read the whole thread. There are a few other's who share the same thoughts so don't single me out and act like I'm all alone in my thoughts. Thank you :-)

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Originally Posted by Raynefreak

I didn't vote for anyone. Manly because of my personal feelings on that matter. I may not like the government but i dont support government. I'm not goingto vote for stupid ppl. I don't believe in voting right now-but that is my right. However, if i was to feel different and someone i liked or thought could be a good prez sure id vote for them i guess. My statement regarding Pink being prez was an example. I never said she'd actually be perfecrt for the job. I said she may have a few traits that a leader would need. If we took a chance on someone whom we aren't sure about, we may end up having a great prez. Maybe we need someone other then republic or democratic. Anyway, i think your taking my comment too seriously. It was ment as an example that anyone can change the world, even those you don't expect. I do feel that song writters are changing the world. When i hear a song that i can relate to or that ''wakes'' me up in some way i start thinking a bit differently about things. I know for a fact that ppl can be changed by songs, poems and art. The power of words and art are a very strong thing. I also wasn't the only person who agreed with my comments, read the whole thread. They're are a few other's who share the same thoughts so don't single me out and act like im all alone in my thoughts. Thankyou :-)

It's not like our votes matter anyway, it's only electoral votes that matter

That would be my recommendation . You both shouild not vote .

For myself . I never miss an election no matter how minor it seems to be. In fact;I wish they would put a jar of purple ink out for me to dip my finger in so I can wave it proudly .

Yes, we must all vote to oust the incompetents.

I am just jumping into this conversation and I did not read any previous post, so my comment is only toward the original post (song lyrics).

I enjoy Pink's music and I would probably like this song if I heard it, but I think that the lyrics to this song are based on a very ignorant idea that one person controls and changes the world!

I am sure that in George Washington's day he could make a big impression on the USA, because there was a smaller population and MOST people had similar views. Today, in George Bush's day, there are millions of people in the USA alone and everyone has their own ideas and views. That doesn't include other countries and there population or views.

We all are individuals and SHOULD be responsible for our own actions, NOT BLAME SOMEONE ELSE! Like the President.

If we are hungry... whose fault is that? President Bush's? NO!! His job description doesn't include feeding us all. Yes, he should care and I am sure he does, but it isn't his responsibility to feed me or you!

If you are homeless... whose fault is that? Bush's too, right? NO!!

The reason President Bush is President is because he did WORK HARD to get where he is. Yes, his Daddy paved a nice road for him, but he didn't study for him through college or rig the election to get him elected. So, believe it or not, BUSH KNOWS HARD WORK! No, he didn't have to dig ditches or work at McD's, because he went to college and busted his tale there!

I am sure that Bush does live in a bubble that prevents him from seeing things from our own point of view, but he is still human and he all makes mistakes!

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Originally Posted by whiteladybug2002

We all are individuals and SHOULD be responsible for our own actions, NOT BLAME SOMEONE ELSE!! Like the President.

Ok, I'll bite. What responsibility could the individual person take to prevent illegal wiretapping, or protect their habeas corpus rights which have been demolished, or prevent the hemorraging of money (and hence bloat up the debt) for the war and the $590 million Iraq embassy? At what point doe the individual get to take responsibility and stop those things?

Need karma:

By taking part in the process,

Vote, even if you think it does not matter,
Run for office - change things from within

We can look at things half empty and give up and scream from the outside looking in
Or
We can look at things half full and be part of the process and change

Grace and Peace

I agree that voting is key but it could not have prevented the abuses mentioned. Even Repubs are sickened.

I'm glad the song touched you... but it's more than a little naïve for me. I believe Pink and Bright Eye's efforts would be better served by directing their hatred toward those that really are evil.

Did they say they hated anyone? No. Now your putting words where they don't belong.

Yeah, I watched the video... its okay, I suppose. Nothing against Pink, she has a few good songs out there but this definitely doesn't stand out as one of the best "eye-opening" songs about the government, president, or the problems in the world today. There are much bigger, more pertinent, issues that this song could have spoken against.

Bush didn't create the homeless problem... this isn't the only war this country has lost loved ones to... Bush isn't the only one to f*** with our rights or fight against homosexuality. Hes actually done quite a bit worse lol but the song doesn't even touch on these points. This song could refer to just about any president

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Originally Posted by Raynefreak

Did they say they hated anyone? No. Now your putting words where they don't belong.

Um, no. Allow me to rephrase. Pink merely wishes to lecture, criticize, chastise and heap guilt on the president - I'm sure from her morally superior platform. On the other hand, Bright Eyes' song is just disgusting vitriol.

Here's my question, isn't there a better way to communicate one's concerns than When he kneels next to the presidential bed/Does he ever smell his own bullsh**/When the president talks to God?

Seriously, can the critics speak intelligently, without the hateful dialogue, or perhaps even bear in mind what the Jihadists are trying to do - or is it mandatory to be in denial of the true evil we face?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

... I'm sure from her morally superior platform. ...

Dude, most of us have a morally superior platform compared to Bush.

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Originally Posted by DrJizzle

yeah, i watched the video... its okay, i suppose. Nothing against Pink, she has a few good songs out there but this definitely doesnt stand out as one of the best "eye-opening" songs about the government, president, or the problems in the world today.

I agree. See Rage Against Machine for eye poppers. :)

Exactly, Skell! Zack de la Rocha has the experience to speak from!

Gee Pink... did YOU ever work minimum wage with a baby on the way? Rebuild YOUR house after the bombs took them away? Build a bed out of a cardboard box? I don't think so... Let ME tell YOU about hard work!

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Dude, most of us have a morally superior platform compared to Bush.

Care to elaborate?

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Originally Posted by DrJizzle

Exactly, Skell! Zack de la Rocha has the experience to speak from!

Gee Pink... did YOU ever work minimum wage with a baby on the way? Rebuild YOUR house after the bombs took them away? Build a bed out of a cardboard box? I dont think so.... Let ME tell YOU about hard work!

How about you do all those things, then when your done you have the right to biotch. She's merely singing about what people go through. She's been through enough, seen enough to be able to sing about issues. Hell I think she even does charity as well as many other artist and actors. YOU don't know hard work either... unless you are outside breaking your back everyday. In the heat, sun and sweat. Like MY dad. If you sit at a desk inside, that's (in my opinion) not hard work. A lot of people don't know true hard work in this sense... big whoop. Doesn't make you bad. She's informed and wants to let them know she knows and cares. *Pulls hair*

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Um, no. Allow me to rephrase. Pink merely wishes to lecture, criticize, chastise and heap guilt on the president - I'm sure from her morally superior platform. On the other hand, Bright Eyes' song is just disgusting vitriol.

Here's my question, isn't there a better way to communicate one's concerns than When he kneels next to the presidential bed/Does he ever smell his own bullsh**/When the president talks to God?

Seriously, can the critics speak intelligently, without the hateful dialogue, or perhaps even bear in mind what the Jihadists are trying to do - or is it mandatory to be in denial of the true evil we face?

Her words are not hateful. Read them AGAIN. Her words are very intelligent, you don't care for her and clearly you are a Bush fan. So this thread isn't for you. Of course you people who like Bush woln't agree with Pink or anyone else like her. Get over it and read a different thread. This ones for people who aren't one-sided and who would love to see the prez impeached or whatever. In general those who don't care for the idiot, crack headed prez.That's what he is, his speeches are sooo retarded he's on something. "Uhh yea yea were gunna get that there done...huhh uhhh whats that a wittle birdy..."

You keep saying she's 'been through' stuff! Like what?

And so she should give to charity, she's a cebrity and she's worth millions! I give to charity and I earn next to nothing! That's no way to base an argument!

And to say that desk-work isn't tough is borderline ridiculous, and will no doubt upset a hell of a lot of people!

YOU asked people what they thought of the song 'Good or Bad' and now you're rebuking them for their opinions! Lol!

And I don't like G.W either!

I said work as in outside work... heat, sun sweat... to me and my father is hard work. Pushing buttons isn't. Working in a home with crazy people or ill elderly's is hard as well. I wasn't going to name every damn job... lol. But for the most part personally I feel working outside or with people is the hardest. No one is ''rebuking anyone'' I'm telling how it is in my eyes. What's wrong with a debate? If I don't agree I say something. Oh well, sorry.

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Originally Posted by Raynefreak

im thinking she was abused as a kid, plus do u know how much crap some artists and actors go through? They get no childhood, they get no rest and no respect and no alone time.

I've never heard any claims from her, or anyone else in proximity to her that she was abused. I know she came from a broken home, but that's not uncommon.

Being a celebrity is all about being in the public eye, people love you, people hate you, accept it or ship out, it's as simple as that!

I didn't ask you to list EVERY job, I just said that you saying us desk-jockeys don't have a hard job is mis-informed. Fair enough, I don't break a sweat doing this, but my job is difficult in it's own way. If I wanted to work in a field, or with 'crazy' people, I would have! I still wouldn't think this meant I could berate everyone else for their 'easy' jobs!

Well Meg, you lost me too. Sorry I don't work in a field or in a home with crazy people, that's not where my strengths lie. Good luck with your alienation of people. Buh-bye.