Ask Me Help Desk - George W, good or bad?

I saw three registered gop people switching their party to dem to give support to obama at the caucus.

I knew he would run for president also because when it comes down to it he is just making Hillary stronger and maybe that was the reason for him running. Realistically he is inexperienced in foreign affairs, heck he's inexperienced in domestic affairs as well. Since he's been senator he hasn't done much for his constituence.

Side note: Obama claims to be a christian, I don't buy that, but if he is then just imagine how the middle east wack jobs will take that. I don't think we are ready for another Holy war. Especially since we haven't finished with the one we're currently in.

Obama's the real thing. His effort to become president is the real thing.

Check your facts, EIFS Expert. Look what the experienced current president has done for us.

I'm confused...

You are saying electing a christian will start a holy war, or electing a black man named obama who is christian will start a holy war? The US will be seen as a christian country no matter who is elected.

I'm not trying to butt heads, since we seem to do that. You have a hillary bias that's admitted... your vote, your choice, no beef from me. But you've eluded that the US isn't ready for a man because of his name and his religion.

It might be true... but it almost sounds like you think these are reasons not to elect him. Am I wrong? Wouldn't be the first time.

I think obama has some decent ideas, and that hed even be able to get moderate help from the gop side, and he has an ability to stir up support. I'm disappointed in his "present" votes in the IL sentate... shows he might not want to take a stand when running for election, and if you compare him to clinton, she's been present and voted a lot more... but then again she also is much better known, so he had a lot of campaigning to do...

As for experience, I can't tell you anymore what is needed. I mean who loved G.H.W. Bush? Not the dems, not the gop... and that man had a lot more experience than clinton or sonny boy...

Do you think bush would be where he is with a different group of advisors/administration? I think, maybe, yes.

I just want an election in which I get to choose between two damn fine candidates... instead of the last two when I thought it was dumb and dumber.

Wondergirl,

I'm no Bush supporter and I don't want to get into a politcal debate but
You apparently think Bush was the worse thing to happen to American politics, and with that I disagree.

As a native New Yorker I was thrilled at his take no prisoners approach to dealing with the folks overseas that want us either bearded or in burkas.

I admire his back bone and his stick-to-it-tiveness.

Obama is a lier and said he was never a muslim when it is well documented that in fact he was. I'm not racist or prejudice but I'm a little uneasy about his true intentions.

The most significant act of his presidency is the Iraq war and even most rightys admit what a shambles it has been. He will be remembered according to how this Iraq fiasco will be remembered. A mistake!

I think another good reflection on his presidency is the Military Commissions Act and the unlawful disgrace that it is.

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As a native New Yorker I was thrilled at his take no prisoners approach to dealing with the folks overseas that want us either bearded or in burkas.

I'm also from NY and was disgusted by his dealings with the wrong people in the Mideast. He should have gone after the Arabs whose people were in the planes that attacked the towers. But no, he secretly jetted his Arab friends out of the country.

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I admire his back bone and his stick-to-it-tiveness.

You mean his stoneheadedness and narrowmindedness?

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Obama is a lier and said he was never a muslim when it is well documented that in fact he was.

Nope, he wasn't. You better read up on that a little more.

So what's the religious litmus test to be the leader of the US?

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I'm not racist or prejudice

Are you sure about that?

To use the words of our illustrious leader...

"BRING IT ON."

What are you all whining about? I agree he should have gone into Afghanistan even though they never declared war. It was abundantly clear after weeks of investigating that we probably should have done something sooner.

Racist?.

Please. Far from it. Obama is not our best choice in my humble estimation. And as far as the litmus test, yeah I want a litmus test. Ever read how the women live in Saudi Arabia?

I think most women in America should think twice about Barack Hussein Obama.

Hillary Clinton is far more experienced especially if you include her years as First Lady in Arkansas and in the White House. Not to mention her Two terms in the Senate as a ranking member.

The middle name question was answered ages ago.

Yeah OK, so your satisfied with that.

Why would you want to drag it out? It hasn't come up again, so everyone but you must have been satisfied by the explanation. He mentioned it in his first book, so it's not like he tried to hide it.

I guess I'm unique then..

But the fish don't smell right,. if you catch my drift.

He was hand picked by the powers that be to benefit the Democratic party in the long run.

But not in 2008.

Then why has his middle name not come up at all during the campaigning? I would think that would be a hot button if it had not already been resolved.

He wasn't handpicked by anyone. Durbin encouraged him to run. Oprah encouraged him to run. Is that who you mean by the PTB?

Uhh... no. Although Oprah plays a significant role in winning Iowa I think Richard Durbin is just another pawn in the great scheme of things.
Face it, Obama will never win. He's trailing in S.Carolina, Florida, Nevada to name a few.

Oprah had nothing to do with Iowa. Durbin convinced him to run. Mark my words on this day of our Lord, January 13, in this year of our Lord 2008: Obama will be the Dem presidential candidate.

Did God tell you that? Because otherwise how could you possibly know?

I know. Check back later this year. We will talk again.

Will do.

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twinkiedooter agrees: And I suppose you believe the moon is made of green cheese as well. Apparently you don't read anything but newspapers to get your so called "news" do you?

Twinkie

If all I did was read newspapers I would certainly agree with you that his Presidency has been a failure. You must be new here because if you knew me better you would know my critiques of publishings like the NY Slimes and Washington Compost.

Go Giants!!

I think overall Bush has been a fairly good president, far better than he's depicted - even though he's had his share missteps and faults - and I agree with tom that history will judge him far kinder down the road.

For those who think he's been a global disaster I have to ask how objective your opinion is? Other than a brief swoon after 9/11 the man has been under relentless attack since he first ran for president. There are still people complaining that he stole the 2000 election and actually afraid he will establish his theocracy before the end of his term instead of stepping aside for the next president. As recently as July, Harvey Wasserman & Bob Fitrakis wrote a column on CommonDreams.org fearing Bush might cancel the election. Come on, how sane is that?

Until the surge's success in Iraq we've been bombarded for years with daily death tolls, suicide bombings and other stories of Bush's failure (funny how the Iraq news has slowed to a crawl). When the Trojan horse Democrats took control of Congress they initiated an untold number of investigations (have any of those shown anything yet?) of the Bush administration, they've pounded him relentlessly on Iraq, torture, justice dept lawyers and a host of other issues. "Entertainers" have made it their sole cause to destroy the man, equating him to Hitler and calling him racist in spite of his most diverse administration. Is there any wonder people would have a negative opinion of the man after the all out assault he's been under for almost 8 years now? Just today an al-AP article graced the front page of my paper opening with this:

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The unemployment rate leaps to a two-year high, record numbers of people are forced from their homes and Wall Street nose-dives again. Such is the fallout from a housing meltdown that threatens to slingshot the country into a recession

I don't know, isn't unemployment usually rather fickle around Christmas? Why should I feel sorry for people that got in over their heads with their mortgage? How is losing your home because you did get in over your head being "forced" from your home? How many of you actually think Bush is behind this subprime mess? Who has been the real fear monger the past 8 years, Bush and the Republicans or the mainstream media and Democrats?

How objective is your opinion? How are you doing? Worried about terrorists blowing up your neighborhood mall? Is your IRA growing? Have a job? Or has Bush ruined your life exactly as has been portrayed?

All I know is that the country is in ruins and it is mismanagement, the governments with its deficit and the war. That is his only only thing that he has done in government was to push for a war that never should have been. How much money could have been spent else where??

What I don't like is that there appears to be little fiscal accountability in terms of money spent or allocated for the war. Where are all these biilions going. And why haven't the gas prices lowered but instead have steadily increased which in turn makes the price of the tea in China increase if you know what I mean.

Worst US president: Franklin Roosevelt (thought he should have been king)
Best US president: George Washington (didn't want to be king)
With FDR being "1" and G Washington "10", Reagan is 9; W is 7

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All I know is that the country is in ruins and it is mismanagement, the governments with its deficit and the war. That is his only only thing that he has done in government was to push for a war that never should have been. How much money could have been spent else where???

The country is in ruins? According to who and by what indicators? Last time I checked the country was doing OK. Where I am we still have a robust housing market, construction has been taking place at record levels, unemployment is low, we have new industry springing up everywhere and the mood is quite optimistic... exception among those suffering from BDS, their panties are always in a wad. For such an 'incompetent boob' he sure holds a lot of power over them. :D

Both parties fail to address the financial irresponsibility that needs to be addressed now.

I don't care if you are a dem who wants to raise taxes and spend on social issues, or a rep who wants to lower taxes and spend on the war... by the way, I've been a longtime registered independent, just changed to rep since I lean that way and I wanted to participate in the caucus, but honestly, neither party has really earned my affiliation. Yuk and yuk.

U.S. Heading For Financial Trouble?, Comptroller Says Medicare Program Endangers Financial Stability - CBS News

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For those who think he's been a global disaster I have to ask how objective your opinion is? Other than a brief swoon after 9/11 the man has been under relentless attack since he first ran for president. There are still people complaining that he stole the 2000 election and actually afraid he will establish his theocracy before the end of his term instead of stepping aside for the next president. As recently as July, Harvey Wasserman & Bob Fitrakis wrote a column on CommonDreams.org fearing Bush might cancel the election. Come on, how sane is that?

Until the surge's success in Iraq we've been bombarded for years with daily death tolls, suicide bombings and other stories of Bush's failure (funny how the Iraq news has slowed to a crawl). When the Trojan horse Democrats took control of Congress they initiated an untold number of investigations (have any of those shown anything yet?) of the Bush administration, they've pounded him relentlessly on Iraq, torture, justice dept lawyers and a host of other issues. "Entertainers" have made it their sole cause to destroy the man, equating him to Hitler and calling him racist in spite of his most diverse administration. Is there any wonder people would have a negative opinion of the man after the all out assault he's been under for almost 8 years now? Just today an al-AP article graced the front page of my paper opening with this:

I don't know Steve, but perhaps all these journalists, entertainers and the voting public may be right. If the there is such a large number of people from all walks of life who dislike his presidency maybe there is good reason. Or is it just that everyone else is wrong? :)

The relentless attack may be justified. That's politics. You are subject to the judgment of the public you govern. And as you've said the people he governs and indeed millions in the rest of the world seem to generally have a fairly negative outlook on him and his presidency.

Like I said, where there's smoke there's fire.

In saying that I will grant you that many of these will not have made up their own mind. They are not smart enough to do so, so they believe what they are told. But many others are smart enough to make up there own mind and even some of those people here who are his supporters admit that he will be looked upon poorly. Perhaps that is saying something. :)

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Skell agrees: Where there's smoke there's................

Usually someone blowing it?

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I don't know Steve, but perhaps all these journalists, entertainers and the voting public may be right. If the there is such a large number of people from all walks of life who dislike his presidency maybe there is good reason. Or is it just that everyone else is wrong? :)

I question whether it's so many people "from all walks of life" or just the loudest.

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The relentless attack may be justified. That's politics. You are subject to the judgment of the public you govern. And as you've said the people he governs and indeed millions in the rest of the world seem to generally have a fairly negative outlook on him and his presidency.

Accountability, sure. Dislike, it's going to be there. But the outright hatred and the refusal to acknowledge anything positive about the man I've witnessed over the years? It isn't justified.

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Like I said, where there's smoke there's fire.

Well now, then what have they actually got on Bush after all these years of investigations and allegations? Should be an easy question to answer. Why has he not been impeached if he has done all he's accused of? :)

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In saying that I will grant you that many of these will not have made up their own mind. They are not smart enough to do so, so they believe what they are told. But many others are smart enough to make up there own mind and even some of those people here who are his supporters admit that he will be looked upon poorly. Perhaps that is saying something. :)

Now we're getting somewhere Skell. I'd be willing to bet most of those that are so disillusioned with Bush know more about what's happening on American Idol or Desperate Housewives than they actually know about Bush. Where there's smoke there tends to be a lot of hot air :D

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Usually someone blowing it?

Haha. Very good. Ill pay that! :D

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BABRAM agrees:The hot air you hear will be coming from the Giants secondary as they are toasted by Favre this weekend.

Guess he'll watch a lot of game film of the Cowboys getting it done then . :D

Bobby

The truth is that the 'boys came within a great last second interception from winning the game . I was ready to scream . When I was in Kansas the boys were the NFC regional game . I got to watch Roger Staubach lead them to last minute victories week after week. I was having horrible flashbacks.

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Guess he'll watch alot of game film of the Cowboys gettin it done then . :D

Ahem, even though the score wasn't in our favor the Boys did hold the Giants to only 57 yards in the second half. It was just that yard where Jacobs crossed the goal line that killed us :D

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Bobby

The truth is that the 'boys came within a great last second interception from winning the game . I was ready to scream . When I was in Kansas the boys were the NFC regional game . I got to watch Roger Staubach lead them to last minute victories week after week. I was having horrible flashbacks.

Another cheap blow to remind of the good times? Way to cheer me up "man." Just reading this I had my sunglasses on, my bottom lip shaking, and a tear was rolling down my cheek. :cool:

Teary-Eyed Owens Backs Quarterback - New York Times

“If you do that, that's really unfair,” Owens said. “Really unfair. That's my teammate. That's my quarterback. We lost as a team. We lost as a team, man.” :eek:

Seriously though. It' scary when Terrell starts making sense. Now if I could get Patrick Crayton to shut up. That third down pass hit him in the worse place, his hands. This off-season I want to trade "can't catch" WR Crayton, "can't pass defend" Roy Williams, "can't tackle or cover" Jacques Reeves, and "can't find the hole" Julius Jones, for a back-up Arena league punter and three players to be named from a college practice squad. :rolleyes:

Bobby

PS. And to keep on subject I'll trade WR Terry Glenn for Condoleeza Rice. As the ex-Cowboys coach Parcells once put it when Glenn injured his hamstring and missed the entire exhibition season with what Parcells insisted was a mild strain. Asked about Glenn one day at training camp, Parcells said, "She's making progress." :)

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Seriously though. It' scary when Terrell starts making sense.

Yeah, lol. And what's up with the media coverage? Hillary finally shows her human side and wins a primary - T.O. finally shows his human side and he gets mocked all day. :D

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Now if I could get Patrick Crayton to shut up. That third down pass hit him in the worse place, his hands. This off-season I want to trade "can't catch" WR Crayton, "can't pass defend" Roy Williams, "can't tackle or cover" Jacques Reeves, and "can't find the hole" Julius Jones, for a back-up Arena league punter and three players to be named from a college practice squad. :rolleyes:

What's up with Crayton anyway? He used to have hands of glue. I'm with you on the others, RW was a non-factor this year (except for being flagged), they need to quit pretending Reeves has "stepped up," and I've never had much faith in Jones. I guess him running for a yard and a half and getting tackled looks much better from the sidelines than it does on TV. And while they're at it, maybe in the offseason they can figure out to how to tackle on kicks and get a kickoff past the 20. Maybe McBriar could use that strong leg to put it out of the end zone.

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PS. And to keep on subject I'll trade WR Terry Glenn for Condoleeza Rice. As the ex-Cowboys coach Parcells once put it when Glenn injured his hamstring and missed the entire exhibition season with what Parcells insisted was a mild strain. Asked about Glenn one day at training camp, Parcells said, "She's making progress." :)

Look at it this way, with Parcells in Miami we stand a decent chance of some of those "Parcells guy" jumping ship :D

Crayton's the greatest receiver in Cowboy preseason history and hands down the most feared tenacious tackle breaker (YAC) when playing touch football. Too bad I think we're stuck with him since Jerry "4th qtr sidelines" Jones gave him a new contract recently.

One way or the other here's Crayton's replacement next season: Isaiah Stanback

The former QB Isaiah Stanback had to learn his new WR position, but was already better than Crayton this year. They stuck Stanback on the development back burner status out of respect to the older more experienced receivers.

Another dismal waste of salary to add to the departure hopes is: Flozell "offsides" Adams. He's nearly as trigger happy as one VP Cheney. Flozell after getting back from another truly unqualified trip to the Pro Bowl this season, becomes a free agent. Aloha! Lucky for us that we should send his fat tuchus packing.

Bobby

PS. Update: there are reports that OC Jason Garrett maybe the next Baltimore Ravens coach, that indeed they offered him the job. About three-quarters through our season Garrett looked like a genius and I thought for sure Jones would retain him. After his horrible decisions down the stretch starting with the play calling in Philly, that changed. Hey Jason! Don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on your way out.

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One way or the other here's Crayton's replacement next season: Isaiah Stanback

Stanback certainly has promise and he can even take Crayton's place as emergency QB. I expect Jerry to be busy again this offseason... only to watch him once again trade down on draft day.

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PS. Update: there are reports that OC Jason Garrett maybe the next Baltimore Ravens coach, that indeed they offered him the job. About three-quarters through our season Garrett looked like a genius and I thought for sure Jones would retain him. After his horrible decisions down the stretch starting with the play calling in Philly, that changed. Hey Jason! Don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on your way out.

I think Garrett's going to be OK. I can't say if it was his play calling or just the annual late season swoon we've grown accustomed to. He's also been offered the Falcons job and Jerry has offered to match any salary proposal.

I think his morals changed shortly after he got in to office... I MISS BILL:D :)