Quote:

---

Originally Posted by CaptainForest

1) This film is so biased. If he wanted to make a real documentary, fine, but not just one that is so one sided and full of propaganda. I don’t much care for Bush and his policies, but I don’t care for someone making such a huge propaganda piece against him either.

---

I think he gives a nice counter to the Fox "News" Network which spouts Bush propoaganda 24/7.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I think he gives a nice counter to the Fox "News" Network which spouts Bush propoaganda 24/7.

---

Sorry Karma,
I meant to approve your post. I was in Sarasota a few miles away from Booker high school when Bush got the news of the WTC. I was on a side street the police blocked off when his motorcade went to the Sarasota Airport where Airforce One was patked less then a mile south of my house.
Sure the piece was slanted, but the facts were correct. The best the Right Wingers can do is compare Bushes actions to Clintons in the Oval Office.
Let's add them up. Clinton did a really stupid act while The Shrub orchestrated a really lethal one. 10,000 Iraqis and over 2,000 of our boys dead. And all this from a maqn that in world war 2 we would have termed "shirker". Bush shirked his military duty and then had the balls to strurt down the deck of a aircraft carrier dressed in a military costume crowing "mission accomplished". This was a slap in the face to every combat vet that saw service and one we will remember at election time. Peace! Tom

No probs Tom.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I think he gives a nice counter to the Fox "News" Network which spouts Bush propoaganda 24/7.

---

Lol.

Yeah, I agree that FOX News is just as bad.

Former CNN Crossfire Host, Tucker Carlson, and now Fox News guy is a putz. He is the bow-tie guy. Called Canada, "America's retard cousin". Plus, he has made numerous other partisan comments. Jon Stewart has a field day with him sometimes :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nez

Dont normally get involved with this sort of thing,being a Brit,but read cajalat's post about WTC7 not being hit by a plane,as a conspiracy theory? I remember seeing the news coverage via CNN,Fox,BBC,and from a UK tv team for Channel 4.CNN had live coverage as the second plane "hit".

---

Nez... I maybe misreading your post but WTC 1 and 2 were hit by planes. However, WTC 7 was not... yet it fell down onto its own footprint pretty much the same way a professionally demolished building does. The government claims that it was due to a small fire caused by debris from the collapse of WTC 1 or 2 (not sure). No one disputes that WTC 7 was NOT hit by a plane. Of course you being from the UK and me from the US we do have a language barrier and it isn't unheard of that we've been known not to understand each other's broken english ;)

Your right cajalat,I was replying with my brain in neutral. :(
After I'd read all the posts,I was "lost",and agree with your post,which I replied too.As you say,it is language which is the problem.Doh.
Yes I do remember WTC7 coming down on TV,and seeing The Twin Towers hit by planes.Awful.

Visit is site for more accurate information.

..:: Reopen 9/11 - Catch the Real Terrorists ::..

Shortly after Sept 11th, over this side of the pond (UK) there was a televised discussion about the complete collapse of the buildings and it came out that rather than conventional building methods the floors of these building were only pinned at the corners. Hence as soon as the floor above hit the floor below the pins parted and down they came.

Looking at the video footage I reckon that those mysterious extra explosions could have been those pins parting - becase there was no flame or black smoke which would have followed an explosive charge.

I remember that their conclusion on damage blame was Al qaeda 40% - architects and Planning Officials 60% or something in that order.

On a brighter note - I actually heard your President pronounce Al Qaeda correctly. I wonder if he'll learn that "eye-rack" should be "ee-rack" before he retires on his poor pittance of a pension and laughs all the way to the bank. :D

1979 Iranian hostages

1983 Beirut barracks bombing

1985 Achille Lauro

1993 World Trade bombing

1996 khobar towers bombings

1998 Kenya and Tanzania Embassy bombings

2000 USS Cole bombing

9/11/01 WTC attacks

2002 Bali bombings

2004 Madrid train bombings

7 July 2005 London bombings


I wonder how Michael Moore explains these terorrist attacks?

Is it all President Bush's fault?

How do those that believe 9/11/01 was a government conspiracy explain all these events?

Is there no "war on terror?"

I was in Sarasota a few miles away from Booker high school when Bush got the news of the WTC. I was on a side street the police blocked off when his motorcade went to the Sarasota Airport where Airforce One was patked less then a mile south of my house.
Sure the piece was slanted, but the facts were correct. The best the Right Wingers can do is compare Bushes actions to Clintons in the Oval Office.
Let's add them up. Clinton did a really stupid act while The Shrub orchestrated a really lethal one. 10,000 Iraqis and over 2,000 of our boys dead. And all this from a maqn that in world war 2 we would have termed "shirker". Bush shirked his military duty and then had the balls to strurt down the deck of a aircraft carrier dressed in a military costume crowing "mission accomplished". This was a slap in the face to every combat vet that saw service and one we will remember at election time.

We still live in a capitalistic society and it is not against the law to invest and make money in case you forgot. I would be for nationalization of all resources and cut the profit out. No one is perfect in case you don't know that too. At least Moore does not send our troops in to be slaughtered in unwinable wars. By the way, I am neither Democrat or Republican in case you did not notice that too. I am for not voting at all, why give them the satisfaction that they are important?

If you don't vote then you can't criticize the current administration.

I think too few people use logic. Teleology gives logic to life while Causality asks, "Who started it," Telos asks where am I going and why? People like Michael Moore are simply detrimental to society.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by inthebox

I wonder how Michael Moore explains these terorrist attacks?

Is it all President Bush's fault?

---

He doesn't try. Your post is just as slanted as his documentary. His documentary was not about terrorism per se, but about the Bush administration's screw-ups. Did you actually see the film? He doesn't blame Bush for 9/11 only for the way he reacted to it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Dark_crow

People like Michael Moore are simply detrimental to society.

---

I think it's great to have a different viewpoint offered. To NOT have the availability of differing viewpoints would be VERY detrimental to society.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I think it's great to have a different viewpoint offered. To NOT have the availability of differing viewpoints would be VERY detrimental to society.

---

Certainly the lack of free speech would be disaster…but from that it does not follow that his view is not detrimental. What you have introduced is a red herring, detracting from whether his view is, or is not detrimental.

His view isn't detrimental, no red herring intended.