excon

It would be foolish to believe that all Democrats are liberal and all Republicans conservative; it is not to individual events, or persons that we need to look in forming an opinion, but to their respective unique philosophy.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

it is not to individual events, or persons that we need to look in forming an opinion, but to their respective unique philosophy.

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Hello again, DC:

Pure, unadulterated horse pucky!! Opinions and philoshphy's be damned.

Look at the LAWS they pass, and the LAWS are liberal - even if the guy passing the law mistakenly thinks he's a conservative

excon

excon

You have made it clear in the past you have no use for a subject you know nothing about…Philosophy, which has shaped the thoughts of man since he crawled out of the silt in East Africa and still does today.

Liberal laws of late in America have come about because of the philosophies of such men as Rawls and Noam Chomsky.

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Originally Posted by George_1950

Why would you say athletes are overpaid? Just because you think so? Why are so few workers paid the minimum? In reality, it is a market economy.

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Let me first mention that I think Tiger Woods has a remarkable talent for hitting a little white ball down the fairways of manicured lawns. No doubt, and I agree that all sports are entertainment market driven. When the costs of tickets for a sporting event becomes unreasonable it's simply not a priority for me. I'd rather watch at home on TV and keep food on the table. If the cable or satellite bill gets to high I'll go back to rabbit ears; family first.

Hello again, DC:

It's true. I'm not as smart as you. So, I'm happy to leave the philosophizing to people like you.

I do, however, understand the law and what drives men to make them.

You again, mistakenly believe that a Republicans use of government force isn't liberalism because it's necessary - or at least what YOU think is necessary. It's only liberal if you use government force to do what the OTHER guy thinks is necessary, like the ones you mention.

Huh? Of course, it doesn't make sense..

You don't think the creation of the DEA is a liberal idea at all. I would bet that you don't think the invasion of Iraq was a liberal idea. You probably don't think the rescue of Bear Stearns was a liberal idea either.

You're wrong on all counts.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello g:

I find it amazing that Republicans think they’re conservative…… They’re actually not. They’re as liberal as you get.

Because, of course, liberalism or conservativisim has NOTHING whatever to do with what these guys says it does – NOTHING! Liberalism or conservativisim doesn't discuss the PROBLEMS of society differently, like you see these guys do. They discuss the SOLUTIONS to those problems differently!!!!

If you think the marketplace will solve most of society’s problems, then you’re a conservative. If you think the government will solve most society’s problems, then you’re a liberal.

However today, BOTH Republicans and Democrats think government is the solution. They’re BOTH extremely LIBERAL. The one exception was Ron Paul. He was the only TRUE conservative running for president.

Indeed, what’s more liberal than the DEA? It’s huge bureaucracy that takes billions and billions of our $$’s to spend on a program designed to change social behavior.

The Republicans love this program. So do the Dems. But, at least they admit they’re liberal.

excon

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:) Bingo! We have a winner folks! :)

excon

The term liberalism or liberal can have many meanings and as I'm sure you know has even changed over the course of time…that is one reason I said look to philosophy in forming opinions.

As to the rest of what you say…This is in part why I made such distinctions as, “To the contrary, conservatives, for the most part…” and, “This is, of course, a very simplified explanation of what "liberal" means.”

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

This is, of course, a very simplified explanation of what "liberal" means.”

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Hello again, DC:

Well, it works for me cause I'm just a simple guy.

I'm sure the terms liberal and conservative have a much deeper meaning than I am aware of. That's cool. Like I said, YOU can philosophize about that all you want.

In terms of politics, however, and this being the politics board, I stand by my definition. A liberal uses government power to enforce his views. A conservative does not.

excon

excon

I just love your bait-and-switch tactics. :rolleyes:

I agree with you ghetto
I have no health insurance and many things about my life you would think I would be wanting the liberals hand outs but I'd rather be homeless than deal with their double standards and other games.
I want to read this book someday, heard it is excellent Amazon.com: Liberalism is a Mental Disorder: Savage Solutions: Michael Savage: Books

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Originally Posted by ghettosun

I am a Black man 48 yrs old, I just wanted to know why I should vote for democrats or support liberals, I do not like nither of the two. I really think that liberalism is dangerous and liberals are phony, but I get shouted down when I express my veiw, why is that.

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Whatever you are, whomever you are : you should vote for that party who's program is nearest to your own ideas.
If you do not vote you lose the moral right to complain and demand "better" government.
That is valid for the US, the third world, or anywhere else.
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If you vote you participate in the process of improvement of government. Even one single vote can make a change. Remember Florida 2004. If all had voted than and there...
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