You never know, as scarey as this sounds, you can look at it this way:

American soldiers are in the Middle East killing people and they are killing even innocent people to protect the rest of us... they believe they are going after terrorists.

What about people who retaliate towards White-Terror (racism) like the case posted above?

Violence is never the answer, but as the soldier has their rational for stopping terror, so do other groups on our own land. It's horrible, and the cycle of violence NEVER WORKS and must stop! Somehow there has to be major changes to the way we deal with "problems". We are taught that violence is an answer... :(

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Originally Posted by Skell

Starman,

They arent murderers. They are being charged with attempted murder.

I havent seen anyone approve of this. I certainly dont. But i think you'll find people who sympathise with those who have been racially taunted lashing out.

Do you not think there was provocation?

I strongly suggest the tendency to be a racist pig is also learned at home. Whats your point???

You seem to have made none!

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Provocation of this type won't get you off Scott free in a court of law. Ever wonder why?
Is it because we have no right to inflict physical injury whenever we feel provoked? You know what the sad part about this is, that both the racist pig and those who felt it their right to batter him consider themselves model Americans. That speaks volumes concerning our educational system.

BTW
I agree that racist pigs very often learn their racism at home.

And nor should it get you off scott free.

Do you not apportion any of the blame of this whole situation on the racists? Or is it all their doing because they reacted?

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And nor should it get you off scott free.

Do you not apportion any of the blame of this whole situation on the racists? Or is it all their doing because they reacted?

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Of course the provoker has to carry blame.

And I'm sure that is the opinion of most people. It is mine. It doesn't justify physical violence but it certainly make it somewhat understandable for me.

I also agree with your edit of the above post. Situations like this do speak volumes for our educational systems. Especially as the point has been made the education received at home.

Very sad and as I also said earlier there are no winners in a situation like this. Unless of course we as a society learn our lessons from it and ensure it doesn't happen again. I highly doubt it though.

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What a horrible story with no winners likely. Not to condone the bashing but gee i find it hard to have sympathy with trash that hung those nooses on the tree's.

They incited the bashing and frankly if it were me i fear i may have been up on charges far worse than "attempted murder". You'd more than likely be removing the word attempted.

Ok maybe not. But the rage i feel about racism really gets me going. I HATE IT!!!

I had a pacific island girlfriend for 7 years and am now seeing a half Asian girl. And most people don't carte. 90% of the people in fact. They don't see them differently. IN fact they want to learn more about their culture. But the 10% can really make life difficult sometimes and it hard to sit by and watch the pain it causes the victim.

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I couldn't rate your answer, it says to spread the reputation... :D :D

I do agree with you that the racists are a minority but its always the bad that gets highlighted instead of the good and those of us who do not live in a certain country have to rely on news sources for information even if they are misrepresented information!

Don't be hating, all we need is love.
Peace.

I am a minority(Asian) in the US. I have been told by both white and black on their issues about discrimination. I stay netural and do my thing.

I always wonder how do they have time to hate each other while the world business is globalized, we can't live without each others.

Oh people,please just take care of your bills. Don't waste your time on those meaningless issues.

First of all, I give zero credibility to Democracy Now, they are about as radical a group of leftists as you can find. Secondly, what these people do - and that includes race baiters such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson - exacerbates the problem.

By bringing attention to the situation in Jena the right way the confrontation may have been avoided altogether. There is no shortage of people willing to pressure officials such as those at the Jena school district into doing what's right by bringing unwanted attention to them - before the violence erupts.

There is no doubt that what these white students allegedly did is beyond contemptible, but so is six students beating another unconscious, and I hardly find it any more healing to rally and petition for all the charges to be dropped. Regardless of the racial implications in the details of the charges, the trial and the sentencing, demanding the charges be dropped is no less than justifying the assault. Is that what we've come to in America, overlooking excessive violence because racism may be a factor? I guarantee, if the roles were reversed these white students would have been convicted in the court of public opinion before any of the facts came out - a la the Duke lacrosse team - and those excessive sentences would be demanded.

Without a doubt racism is alive and well - from many sides of the rainbow - but I continue to believe that for the majority of White America race is not much of an issue. I for one am sick of having race thrown in my face on a regular basis. I'm sure there are millions of white Americans like me that don't spend any time thinking about what color someone is because it doesn't matter, that grow weary of people like Al and Jesse injecting race into every situation. That can lead to a great deal of resentment among folks that have made it a point NOT to make race an issue. It also does the black community no favors to whine about how oppressed they are, blame their situation on their race or 'disenfranchisement' at the hands of the white male establishment or demand 'reparations' from those who had nothing to do with slavery for those who have never been enslaved.

I say once and for all, let's work together to end racism where it does exist - which just may begin by ending racism where it doesn't exist.

Steve

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First of all, I give zero credibility to Democracy Now, they are about as radical a group of leftists as you can find. Secondly, what these people do - and that includes race baiters such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson - exacerbates the problem.

By bringing attention to the situation in Jena the right way the confrontation may have been avoided altogether. There is no shortage of people willing to pressure officials such as those at the Jena school district into doing what's right by bringing unwanted attention to them - before the violence erupts.

There is no doubt that what these white students allegedly did is beyond contemptible, but so is six students beating another unconscious, and I hardly find it any more healing to rally and petition for all the charges to be dropped. Regardless of the racial implications in the details of the charges, the trial and the sentencing, demanding the charges be dropped is no less than justifying the assault. Is that what we've come to in America, overlooking excessive violence because racism may be a factor? I guarantee, if the roles were reversed these white students would have been convicted in the court of public opinion before any of the facts came out - a la the Duke lacrosse team - and those excessive sentences would be demanded.

Without a doubt racism is alive and well - from many sides of the rainbow - but I continue to believe that for the majority of White America race is not much of an issue. I for one am sick of having race thrown in my face on a regular basis. I'm sure there are millions of white Americans like me that don't spend any time thinking about what color someone is because it doesn't matter, that grow weary of people like Al and Jesse injecting race into every situation. That can lead to a great deal of resentment among folks that have made it a point NOT to make race an issue. It also does the black community no favors to whine about how oppressed they are, blame their situation on their race or 'disenfranchisement' at the hands of the white male establishment or demand 'reparations' from those who had nothing to do with slavery for those who have never been enslaved.

I say once and for all, let's work together to end racism where it does exist - which just may begin by ending racism where it doesn't exist.

Steve

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Rallying to exempt criminals from justice because they are deprived only serves to anger those who feel that the law should make no exemptions. When Rodney King was beaten and the jury seemed to be exempting the perpetrators there was anger. Did Rodney King provoke? Well, according the officers he was giving them the finger and shouting obscenities while refusing to pull over. Does that justify a beating? I would say that it doesn't. But there are some who might find it understandable from the officers viewpoint and let the matter go as probably the jury did. Result? Anger and beatings of people who weren't even involved. Where does it end? Only when God's Kingdom takes over mankind's affairs completely. However, in the meantime the educational institutions should make a concerted effort to address the matter when kid's minds are most malleable, at a very early age. Two plus two makes four but it won't guarantee that the one knowing it won't use a two by four to bust open someone's head upon the slightest provocation. Not that I consider this provocation a slight one since if true it definitely involves an open threat. But two wrongs don't make a right and there are legal ways to proceed against scum bags of that kind.


The same rule applies to racism. Addressing it early on and vigorously will reduce the incidence of racist acts. It's all a matter of educational priorities needing to be set and implemented. Actually, what the educational system seems to be unaware of is the powerful socializing influence of the family which needs to be countered in order to assure good citizenship. Instead, education is geared more to preparing the student to make money as an adult. Better for society in general to teach him ethics and logic in order to avoid a citizenry motivated by fallacious reasoning to harm others and then expect illogically to suffer no negative consequences.

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you can't eliminate it , it does happen, as I said we sould treat the way we want to be treated, if it doesn't work, u still have to live ur life. Not every case has a solution, just try to do ur best.

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I don't expect to eliminate racism, but we can do a lot better with the race baiters out of the picture.

I wish more people understand the saying " Don't be hating, all we need is love".
I was never involved in any of these issue as being a minority, never.
Sometimes, we just need to be smart and don't take things personal, and again, do our own thing.
Education and family influence def. helps to solve the issues but it still depends on individuals' will and belief.
One day, more people will realize "Don't be hating, all we need is love" I hope.