COzyk:

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Maybe you should do some basic research on the topic, before relying on anectodal experience.

First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws

- insufficient data to determine with certainty whether strict control laws have any effect on violent crime -


In either case, gun control does not make up for other factors contributing to violence such as family breakdown, violence in media, drug abuse etc...

What’s Riskier: A gun or a swimming pool? | SmartParentsBlog.com


Statistically speaking accidental drownings cause more death in children than accidental shooting.

I never said that I agreed with all of the decisions PRESIDENT Bush made. He made a lot of mistakes in his eight years. He also did a lot of things right. When was the last attack on US soil against innocent civilians? That's right September 11,2001!
Oh and it is really disrespectful of y'all not calling him by his proper title. PRESIDENT. You do not have to like his politics, but you sure should respect the office that he was elected to.

[QUOTE=inthebox;1374486]COzyk:

Gun politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


In either case, gun control does not make up for other factors contributing to violence such as family breakdown, violence in media, drug abuse etc...

Thank you for making my point!
The breakdown of the family, moral decay of this country, call it what you will, is the complete and total reason we as a country are where we are today!

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typical uninformed blather . read his thoughts in his own words to find out how deeply he understood the issues of the day and the philosophy of the movement he led.
Amazon.com: Reagan, In His Own Hand: The Writings of Ronald Reagan that Reveal His Revolutionary Vision for America: George P. Shultz, Kiron K. Skinner, Annelise Anderson, Martin Anderson: Books

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Guess it depends on which book you read.

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Oh and it is really disrespectful of y'all not calling him by his proper title. PRESIDENT. You do not have to like his politics, but you sure should respect the office that he was elected to.

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Respect is earned person by person, not by belonging to a group.

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Maybe you need to go back and read up on the history of Britain. Moral decay, total disregard for the Jewish people, Gods chosen people, stricter laws banning all guns. Check out the latest statistics on violent crime in the UK and compare it to the USA. Remember, even the police in the UK are banned from carrying guns.

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Well, that's just stupid:rolleyes:

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inthebox agrees: So, before Obama no one was inspired to use their brain and their abilities to make life better?

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The CEO/director/person in charge sets the tone for the organization--whether it be a company, public library, charity, church group, daycare facility, family. This is known by Organizational Behavior, Sociology, and Psychology students everywhere. The person who has been in charge of the U.S. started nicely enough, but his poor decision-making lost him U.S. and even world respect.

So, to respond to your comment to me, none of us U.S. citizens has been inspired by our leader to improve things during the past (at least) seven years. The reemergence of kindness is small but steady. Now, even Chicago area drivers seem less inclined to indulge in road rage and finger gestulating, and are much more agreeable when someone wants to merge or even cut in. I see more doors being held open for others, I hear more enthusiastic "May I help you?"s, I feel reached out to by people who previously would never have given me the time of day.

We will recover our kinder and smarter selves as Obama takes the helm.

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COzyk:
Statistically speaking accidental drownings cause more death in children than accidental shooting.

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So what about deaths that are not in children AND not accidents? You are citing a pretty narrow range of mortality statistics...

I'm guessing guns win against swimming pools in adult homicides...

Anyway, you can always find something more dangerous than something else. Cigarettes are way more dangerous than guns if you just go by number of deaths caused per year.

Dogs are more dangerous than black widow spiders. What's the point of such an argument? That we should never try to reduce any risk?

I'm a believer in Wikipedia, but as a "source" the jury is still out. The only real requirement for getting listed in Wiki is your information has to have been printed somewhere at least once. It doesn't matter if it was printed in a place that also didn't cite normal "sources verified" procedures... it just had to get printed. Then Wiki accepts it as a valid source.

That's convenient, but it's troublesome to me. I know the internet is changing and I suppose we have to change with it, in some ways. But I'm not sure I'm ready to accept as a valid source something ANYONE has ever said in writing when prior to this, only verified researched and supported citations were accepted as "proof of point". Wiki doesn't require that level of accountability, so I'm on the fence about Wiki citations in a debate.

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450donn disagrees: Not sure how to react to that? But I did not drink the koolaid so I guess I have to say factually wrong.

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Obama inspires me to be nice to you too. And factually wrong? You're calling me a liar? You need a sip of that stuff too, maybe the cheery ooops cherry flavor?

We will wait until about June1 2009 to see how enthralled you still are with him after he back peddles on all his promises that he has made to every special interest group in the country to guarantee his election. Heck I have already seen some of his staunches supporters in the media starting to bash him over some of his back peddling.

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We will wait until about June1 2009 to see how enthralled you still are with him after he back peddles on all his promises that he has made to every special interest group in the country to guarantee his election. Heck I have already seen some of his staunches supporters in the media starting to bash him over some of his back peddling.

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Please cite your sources of formerly Obama-friendly media bashing him. Even Rush and Sean Hannity are off his case and are trying to rebuild the Republican Party for 2012.

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COzyk:

Gun politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe you should do some basic research on the topic, before relying on anectodal experience.

First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws

- insufficient data to determine with certainty whether strict control laws have any effect on violent crime -


In either case, gun control does not make up for other factors contributing to violence such as family breakdown, violence in media, drug abuse etc....

What’s Riskier: A gun or a swimming pool? | SmartParentsBlog.com


Statistically speaking accidental drownings cause more death in children than accidental shooting.

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Thanks for the links. I read most and they are very interesting. I've based my opinions on personal experience and the scale had tilted way down on the side of gun control.

Gun control has not required anything unreasonable so I don't understand what the big woop is. There were a couple of things I ask in an earlier post that was never answered. I'd appreciate feed back on these.

1. Why would a gun shop carry automatic weapons? Who buys these and for what reason?

2. People are stock piling guns just in case there is a ban. If you already have a gun or guns, what is the need to stock pile more? You already have yourself protection weapon.
Are people preparing for a militant action against their gov? Or are people just collecting guns like other people collect matchbooks?

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What about alternative ways to self protect. Like the stun gun and the tazzer. I'm sure I am spelling that incorrectly but you know what I mean. I would come much closer to using one of those than using a gun. I am not proposing a gun ban, I just don't fall for the self protection argument hook, line, and sinker. I think there are people like my neices husband that love to feel more powerful over others.

4. The argument of "the founding fathers said that we have the right to bear arms" is not much of an argument. If you hold all amendments to the original writing, women would not be voting, blacks would not be voting, much less become President, prohibition in, then out... The constitution changes as time advances. Again, not saying guns should be banned, just saying the constitution is not the best argument.

Is that guy George gone yet! Ain't commin' out till he leaves!!

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We will wait until about June1 2009 to see how enthralled you still are with him after he back peddles on all his promises that he has made to every special interest group in the country to guarantee his election. Heck I have already seen some of his staunches supporters in the media starting to bash him over some of his back peddling.

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Do you have a crystal ball? You say "when he back peddles on all his promises" like that is a fact. Why do you expect the worst? Also , please list a few of his promises and the particular special interest group these promises were made to.

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Do you have a crystal ball? You say "when he back peddles on all his promises" like that is a fact. Why do you expect the worst? Also , please list a few of his promises and the particular special interest group these promises were made to.

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Auto workers union
Teachers union
Congressional black caucus
All welfare recipients
Illegals
All low income
Bill aires
Jesse jackson
Al sharpton
Anybody that thinks "spread the wealth" is not a socialist idea
Public employee unions
Need a few more?

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Auto workers union
Teachers union
Congressional black caucus
All welfare recepients
illegals
all low income
bill aires
jesse jackson
al sharpton
anybody that thinks "spread the wealth" is not a socialist idea
public employee unions
Need a few more?

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You did not say what was promised to them. Be specific please. What did he promise to Bill Aires and Jessie Jackson? And Al Sharpton?

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Auto workers union
Teachers union
Congressional black caucus
All welfare recepients
illegals
all low income
bill aires
jesse jackson
al sharpton
anybody that thinks "spread the wealth" is not a socialist idea
public employee unions
Need a few more?

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Hello again, 450:

You know I LOVE to argue with you. But, I can't take you serious. You're a poster boy for Rush Limprod and Hannity. You have no facts. You have rumors, and right wing innuendo. You're silly.

Oh yeah, you forgot one group - the TERRORISTS.

Bwa, ha ha ha ha .

excon

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Hello Me:

If things are sooo bad, why are you just sitting back??? Waiting for the government to do something??? Hmpf. Don't sound too Republican to me.

excon

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I am a hard core Republican, but what else should I do? Storm the gates of Washington and demand that Obama be removed from office? Sorry, not possible. I didn't vote him in, others did. One person can not make a difference no matter what your parents told you as a kid, it takes more like me to make a difference. I do my part little by little, but others need to chip in as well. Don't judge people before you know them. It's rood and classless.

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Meloo Have you actual met someone who prays to and Worships Obama, Seriously? I haven't met anyone that worships him or prays to him. I knocked on Doors For him, I made phone calls for him, I donated money to him, and of course I voted for him. Those are normal things a volunteer to a politcal campaign does.

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There are people who do that, its odd. Look on YouTube you will find creepy videos. I never said that EVERY one does that, nore did I EVER say that YOU do that. Try not to take things to heart and be sure you understand what you are reading, it was no personal hit upon you or any Democrats, my boyfriend is a Democrat and I don't talk to him like that at all. He has his opinions as do I.