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Fl condo law outside main water leak

I live in a condo in pembroke pines,fl there was a water main break outside under bushes that went undetected for God knows how long. As soon as I was told of it by the condo "maintenance man" I called the city. They came out immediately & determined it was on the condo side. The condo called a plumbing co & fixed the leak. 4 units in building, I was the very unlucky one stuck with an $866.70 bill for the month, when usually I pay $49.00. Assoc says they are only responsible for the plumbing repair. I got a copy of the repair bill &went to the city utility. They did give me a credit for only the sewerage portion. The remaining balance is 460.81. Who is really responsible for that? Anyone know? I can't afford yet another monetary hit. Thank you. Mary

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Originally Posted by calimoli

I live in a condo in pembroke pines,fl there was a water main break outside under bushes that went undetected for God knows how long. As soon as i was told of it by the condo "maintenance man" i called the city. They came out immediately & determined it was on the condo side. The condo called a plumbing co & fixed the leak. 4 units in building, i was the very unlucky one stuck with an $866.70 bill for the month, when usually i pay $49.00. Assoc says they are only responsible for the plumbing repair. I got a copy of the repair bill &went to the city utility. They did give me a credit for only the sewerage portion. The remaining balance is 460.81. Who is really responsible for that? Anyone know? I can't afford yet another monetary hit. Thank you. Mary

Why, if the water main broke, a main servicing 4 units, are you the only person responsible for the bill for the water?

Greetings from Sarasota and welcome to AMHD.com.
Were these other 4 units serviced by this meter or just your unit?
Perhaps a lawyer could argue your case but in my area a water service from a meter to your unit is considered to be your responsibility. It's too bad the leak wasn't discovered earlier but the water was metered out and someone has to pay for it. One more time
Were these other 4 units serviced by this meter or just your unit? Back to you, Tom

Yes you need to tell us more on how the water is normally charged.

If this was the line going from the main to your condo unit, and only you are billed, then it is not the main, but it is your water line and your water and your bill.

If this is a "main" that leads to four units and all of you pay or share the bill,

You have not given enough info except to allow us to guess

There ate 4 units with their own meter &receive own bill

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Originally Posted by mollypup

There ate 4 units with their own meter &receive own bill

Then I don't understand it. I owned a condo.

4 meters, 4 bills, 4 people split excessive usage in the event of breakage. I'd speak to the condo association AND the water department. In my area the extra charges are "waived" in many instances.

Are you 1 person with 2 user names?

If the water line was just servicing your unit on one meter you are responsibable, if it it was servicing 4 units on one meter then the cost should be split between the four units.

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Originally Posted by puffmugs

If the water line was just servicing your unit on one meter you are responsibable, if it it was servicing 4 units on one meter then the cost should be split between the four units.

Did you read the thread? Each unit has its own meter - 4 units, 4 meters.

That's the problem.

The original question was asked by calimoli and the question was asked

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Were these other 4 units serviced by this meter or just your unit?

However this question was answered, Not by calimoli but by a new voice, Mollypup. Who said

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There ate 4 units with their own meter &receive own bill

How does she fit in? Is she a condo owner? If not how does she know the water setup? Inquiring minds want to know. I want to hear it from the OP. Were these other 4 units serviced by this meter or just your unit? Please respond, Tom

I also would like to hear it from the OP as Tom suggest, not from Mollypup or JudyKayTee in order to give a helpful response. The OP did not make it clear if the meter is just servicing her unit or four units. Very important point.

My gut tells me that each unit has its own meter but I'd like to hear it from the OP. Regards, Tom

Folks, sorry for the confusion. "Camoli" & "mollypup" are one in the same. Having trouble navigating. The plumbing bill reads as follows "found water main break at meter in bushes. Removed bushes to dig up on back side of meter in order to access 1" pvc line. Removed 1"female adapter &supplied & installed 1" check valve. Tested, system working normal" there are 4 units each with own water bill & meter. Thanks again.

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Originally Posted by speedball1

My gut tells me that each unit has its own meter but I'd like to hear it from the OP. Regards, Tom

She did post it - "There ate 4 units with their own meter &receive own bill"

Ahh! Two handles! The mystery's solved! The bill is on the unit that connects to the meter.
I assume the check valve was installed in place of a vacume breaker.
Was this reason fitting was istalled? Is this a common practice in some areas? Just curious. Tom

I only know wahat the plumber's bill stated. So, I guess I'm stuck with the insane water bill. Didn't understand about the "vacume breaker" or the reason why this "fitting was installed" thanks again

Sorry Molly,Looks like you're stuck. Would it be possible to meet with the water Department and see if they can reduce the bill? Although the usage came from your meter it was due to no fault of yours. Good luck, tom

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Originally Posted by speedball1

Ahh! Two handles! The mystery's solved! The bill is on the unit that connects to the meter.
I assume the check valve was installed in place of a vacume breaker.
Was this reason fitting was istalled? Is this a common practice in some areas? Just curious. Tom

Tom, I don't know what this means. Could you just give a brief explanation? Thanks.

(Say hello to your bride.)

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Originally Posted by puffmugs

I also would like to hear it from the the OP as Tom suggest, not from Mollypup or JudyKayTee in order to give a helpful response. The OP did not make it clear if the meter is just servicing her unit or four units. Very important point.

It was very obvious to me that it was 1 person with 2 user names.

Please don't attempt to dictate who will and who will not post/answer.

I do notice you follow other plumbers and agree (or disagree) with them. Perhaps you don't understand how AMHD works - https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/plumbi...m-695921.html; https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/plumbi...n-693030.html; https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/plumbi...e-653825.html; https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/plumbi...e-649251.html; https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/plumbi...s-634901.html; https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/plumbi...nt-618032.html

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Originally Posted by puffmugs

I also would like to hear it from the the OP as Tom suggest, not from Mollypup or JudyKayTee in order to give a helpful response. The OP did not make it clear if the meter is just servicing her unit or four units. Very important point.

Some members post a question then forget the password or have trouble getting back here and wind up creating a new account.

I think Tom was referring to the two names as "handles".

But the bill seems clear. The leak was on the "back side" of the meter, meaning the house side.

Sorry Judy, but it was not obvious to me as it was not also to Tom and others that it was one OP with 2 usernames. I do understand how AMHD works and try my best to answer questions in the plumbing industry only, which I am sure my expertise as a plumber for 46 years qualifies me to answer. Most disagreements with other plumbers are due to differences in plumbing codes in different areas of the country since there is no National Plumbing Code. Would be interested in your plumbing backround. No disrespect intended.

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Originally Posted by puffmugs

Sorry Judy, but it was not obvious to me as it was not also to Tom and others that it was one OP with 2 usernames. I do understand how AMHD works and try my best to answer questions in the plumbing industry only, which I am sure my expertise as a plumber for 46 years qualifies me to answer. Most disagreements with other plumbers are due to differences in plumbing codes in different areas of the country since there is no National Plumbing Code. Would be interested in your plumbing backround. No disrespect intented.

This question has elements of law as well as plumbing. The plumbing issue is where the leak was with respect to the meter. Once that was determined the law takes over. So a plumbing background is not 100% necessary to help this OP.

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Originally Posted by puffmugs

Sorry Judy, but it was not obvious to me as it was not also to Tom and others that it was one OP with 2 usernames. I do understand how AMHD works and try my best to answer questions in the plumbing industry only, which I am sure my expertise as a plumber for 46 years qualifies me to answer. Most disagreements with other plumbers are due to differences in plumbing codes in different areas of the country since there is no National Plumbing Code. Would be interested in your plumbing backround. No disrespect intented.

No disrespect intended - I have no idea why this is posted under plumbing. It's a legal question. I don't need to be a plumber to answer. For that matter people post VERY incorrect info (which is not the case here) and it's the OP's choice whether to take (believe) the "advice" or not.

The OP asked about the legality, and that's what I answered. I realized you didn't suspect it was one person with two names. I did. I don't know why that's a problem for you.

For that matter, please stop attempting to dictate who will and who will not answer ANY question. ("... not from Mollypup or JUDYKAYTEE in order to give a helpful response").

I'd likewise be interested in your legal background in light of the title "florida condo law."

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I realized you didn't suspect it was one person with two names. I did. I don't know why that's a problem for you.

Well it becomes a problem for me judy when I'm involved with answering one OP and another name starts to answer for the first OP{. Looks like the thread's being hijacked. I don't know how you arrived at the revelation that the names were the same person but you sure impressed me with your detective work. How did you figure it out?
And you're correct it's a legal problem but it's a problem that fell into the plumbing end of things. Regards, Tom

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Originally Posted by speedball1

Well it becomes a problem for me judy when I'm involved with answering one OP and another name starts to answer for the first OP{. Looks like the thread's being hijacked. I don't know how you arrived at the revelation that the names were the same person but you sure impressed me with your detective work. How did you figure it out??
And you're correct it's a legal problem but it's a problem that fell into the plumbing end of things. Regards, Tom

I think the plumbing issue had to be solved before the legal question could be answered, so I think it's 50/50. Doesn't matter, of course.

I thought this was a good clue - I doubted a third party would have this info. "I only know wahat the plumber's bill stated. So, I guess I'm stuck with the insane water bill"

I don't have any secret source about the two names. As you know, that's what I do for a living. I have pretty good intuition.

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Originally Posted by speedball1

I don't know how you arrived at the revelation that the names were the same person but you sure impressed me with your detective work. How did you figure it out??

I figured it out too, but mostly from experience. The thread was started too recently and the Molly was clearly talking about what appeared to be the same situation.