Hi there,
My husband is getting a little too old - there was a once upon a time he was excellent on all phases of construction, electrical & plumbing but there are certain things he says that does not make any sense to me even that I am a novice. (Let me add - he didn't practice his profession for five years and he could be out of the loop)

He built a tub and shower for me and all we needed was the faucet and he wanted me to get the shower head that comes with two handles & a spout and the one I got was the Glacier Bay tub and shower with one handle. Besides getting upset... he said, "this will do the trick but you are not going to like it! When you want to take a BATH the shower head will be on along with the spout - there will be water poring out from both. I tried asking what makes him believe that but he got more upset trying to explain to me.
Well I don't think manufactures will make a product like that. If I will be drawing water from the tub I will be getting wet from the shower? He said, I know these things when I see one. Apparently he is looking at the instrument that goes behind the wall - the diverter?

Melidna:confused:

Hi Melidna,

I guess hubby is out of the loop! Where did he ever get the idea that diverters don't work? That's what diverters do. They divert! Where's yours? In the valve or in the spout. Tell me and I'll do my best to put hubbys fears to test. Cheers, Tom

Yes, it does sound like Hubby is confused. From you post it sounds like he is making an association between a shower valve having two handles and having a diverter valve. Don't be to harsh, unfortunately this will probably happen to us all if we live long enough. Suggest letting the subject drop for a while. The next time it is discussed it may be totally different.

If the single handle valve has a built in diverter you will use a tub spout without a diverter. If the valve does not have a built in diverter you will use a tub spout with a diverter. If you purchased a valve and diverter together as a kit it will have the proper diverter.

Ah, you are both awesome people!
The kit came in a packet and the diverted is in the spout, like the picture above on the right hand side. He is almost convinced and has been trying to install the darn thing all day today to prove to me but he is beginning to think that HE IS out of the loop.
Again thank you Tom and Harold!
Melinda
By the way - I misspelled my name on previous posting

Hope he gets it installed, please let us know how it works for you. You should be just fine. Lee.

Oh! When you take a shower, some water from the spout may come when diverting the water to the shower head, but it should only be a small amount. Perhaps things were switched around a bit when trying to relay that message, or something? This doesn't only happen to your hubby.

Good luck on your knew tub and shower!

Here's a little tip for hubby. Here's one a lot of installers miss when they go to mount a slip on diverter spout.
When the end's cut off the copper pipe that sticks out from the tile the tubing cutter leaves a burr/ridge. This ridge catches on the "O" ring and forces it out of its place so that when the spout diverts to the shower it leaks out the back.
To get around this problem take sand cloth and sand the burr down to a bevel. Then before you install the spout moisten the end of the copper so it slips on easier. Good luck, Tom

Thank you. All the information is helpful. My husband is feeling good this morning and before he started I took a picture of what he has accomplished and I'll keep you posted as it comes along. I don't know how to insert a picture but if anyone wants to see I can email it to you. :)

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Here is a picture from earlier today - not quite ready for water :p


BTW
Thank you Harold.
Melinda

Looks good. I do have to question one thing however. How high is the valve. It really hard to judge distance from a picture but it looks high to me. Looks about right for a shower but high for a tub. Looks to me like it should be about the level where the pipes are joined together.

We usually install tub/shower valves roughly 3 feet from bottom of tub/shower. 4 feet for shower only. Looks like your valve is within that range. I really think your hubby did a nice job. Let us know when you turn the water on. Lee.

Harold - Thank you for keeping an eye out for us. The valve is 26 inches from the tub and we are installing a tub and shower combo - do you still think it might be a little high?

Lee - Thank you and my husband thanks you. It is roughly 3 feet from the bottom of the tub.

I will let everyone know if the water squirts out from the right places.

An update of my hubby's work :)
He didn't test the water yet... not connected yet - I asked him to try it out and he said no.Attachment 24618

Nice looking tile job. Looks like things are coming together nicely.

Looks good. I hope he has access from the other side or from underneath. I don't see a drain and overflow installed yet. Also hope that outlet is GFI protected.

Good eye! Thank you Harold.
Well no, it is not GFI protected. According to my hubby he says TJ doesn't use grounded? I am trying to convey his explanation.
Is there a way around it or a fix?
And yes he does have access from the outside and underneath the home.
My husband point to the electrical posts and shoes me that there are only two cables going to each home and apt and hotels. Wow, this is scary.

What is TJ?

GFI or ground fault interrupt is totally different from grounding. To put it simply, it detects a condition by which you could shocked. That includes plugging in a hair dryer with wet hands. The NEC (National Electric Cod) requires that all outlets in a bathroom be GFI protected. That can be done by the outlet being a GFI outlet, by installing a GFI breaker or by supplying the outlet from a GFI outlet.

A ground wire is not necessary for a GFI outlet to work. Further more, any ungrounded outlet (the old two hole type) that is replaced with a grounding type outlet (three hole type) it is required to either be a GFI or supplied by a GFI.

The ground wire of your electrical system goes to a ground rod, to a cold water pipe as a second ground point, and back to the pole where it goes to ground again.

But again GFI is something different.

Thank you - TJ = Tijuana Mex.
I will read the message to my husband tomorrow and hopefully he can do something about it and fix it or provide more info.

TJ's transformers have ground wire but the power that is provided to the public does not and TJ does not have GFI' supplies? Would there be a workaround?
Could I get them at say homedepot or any suggestions?

Yes, you should be able to get a GFI outlet at Home Depot. Looks like below and fits regular outlet box. Some come with cover plate, some do not. Cover plate is just a regular outlet cover plate with square opening. GFI installs almost like regular outlet.

Seeing as how close the outlet is to the shower it is important for your safety to install a GFI outlet. If you had a hair drier plugged in a regular outlet and it got wet because you did not close the shower curtain completely, you would get shocked. With the GFI outlet it would trip off as soon as you turned the hair dryer on, thus preventing you from getting shocked.

You are great Harold!! Thank you so much. I will get a bunch of them and have him install them.

Today we took the day off and when walking all day at the park! :)
Cheers!

GFI's are normally only used in certain places, kitchens, baths, outdoors. They can be used any where you like though.

UPDATE - I think today is the big day.. for now here is a picture of the tub and shower faucet installed not dried yet and still need a couple of things done but water does run.Attachment 24720

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Melinda,

You guys did a great job. A professional couldn't have done better. Give yourselves a pat on the back and take a two week vacation in Aruba. Tom

I agree, very nice job. Looks like all you need is the waste and overflow and your all set. And let us know how you enjoy Aruba. Lee.

Well, we are back at it. The dreaded moment was here and NO hot water. My husband placed the tile, and sealed everything before trying to see if there was hot water or not. Only cold water. He looked at the handle on wall and took that apart to see if it was allowing only cold water in and he said all was OK. Water pressure is OK. The sink next to it gets hot and cold water. I hope someone can help us out of this mess... I want to use my bathtub. :(
I saw a link a while back about not getting any water and I can't find that link anymore.

Do you have "shut offs" for the water supply behind the wall directly for the shower? I know, sounds too easy, but it is common to forget about it. If so, check to make sure the hot water supply valve is on that supplies the shower. If not, post back.

No there no water supply shut offs directly behind for the shower. The unit has adjustable valves to regulate the pressure - the one on the right is cold water and cold water comes out fine. The one on the right you turn it all the way and a trickle of water comes out barely none.

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I re-read your post. You said that your husband took off the handle of this faucet? "All is okay" with both hot and cold when he tried with the faucet handle/etc . Off? Does that mean he is getting both hot and cold water with the valve/faucet off? (If he hasn't done this, have him flush both lines. He should be able to disconnect at the valve and run both hot and cold).

If so, then it may be that when he put in the new faucet, crud got into that new faucet cart. (clean it out). Was the cart/handle put on correctly? (you are getting cold, but I have to ask).

Can you tell me the faucet brand? For now, have him clean out the new cartridge - just to be sure. When you make changes and/or install new faucets - sometimes it disturbes gunk the lines and it clogs up the new cartridge.

Probably have solder in stop valves from soldering up pipes. Turn off water to house, remove valve, turn on water for a few seconds to flush out pipe.

Okay, I looked right passed the pic. Good Morning Harold! Good to know you are bright eyed and bushy tailed, and right on as usual. (smile)

Thank you so so much... and thank you for the picture.
My husband did open the stop valves but only cold water (only the right one gushes water out) I guess after reading this to him he realize this was very much simple if he didn't seal the back... no he needs to take the back out so he can remove the valve. Again Thank you - my husband is on the right track again. I will let you know. Some previously mentioned (I think it was Harold) to make sure to test the shower before closing everything off and my husband forgot.

All should be accessible through this opening...

Question: when you unscrewed the hot water stop - and turned water ON - was there any water coming out ?

No need to remove the entire shower valve, just remove the stop valve.

Thank you Harold and thank you so much for the drawing. My husband did remove it AND there was water!! But not when he puts it back on. And if you didn't do the drawing he would have kept it a secrete. He had done this all a long. That is why he still reluctant to open the back.

Also, thank you Milo for bringing it up - my husband just forgot to mentioned that he already did this. I guess now, where do we go from here. My husband will try to blow air through and then let the water run and see what happens.

Well, my husband could not resist and is now taking down the wall. Can't stop him now. I will let you know what happens.

Sorry to hear he is tearing out the wall. Did he remove the third unmentioned nut? The one on the right side (just left of the shut off). Its been a long time since I worked on one of these, but something tells me that this is your tempering valve, which could have become plugged. Try removing it and cleaning it if its not to late. Good luck.