.. where is god? Why isn't he stopping poverty, wars, illnesses? Is he's there and he has the power.. why just watch?
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.. where is god? Why isn't he stopping poverty, wars, illnesses? Is he's there and he has the power.. why just watch?
Have a look at this video on YouTube, it's quite interesting;
YouTube - Dan Le Sac vs. Scroobius Pip - Letter from God
If you can't get YouTube, the lyrics are here;
A Letter from God to Man | Grace - Fresh Vital Worship
This world is not forever and what happens here only tests our faith and strength.Quote:
Originally Posted by loveyoupeople
Everlasting is the Hereafter and that is what this world is preparing us for...
I don't buy that video at all. Firmbeliver has touched on part of it. The world will end some day. Every day is the end of the world for many. When their end comes, it will be a bad day for non believers and the unrepentant. False teachers will not do well.
The biggest thing is that God chose to give us free will. Just as Satan was free to rebel against God, so are all. When we ignore God, we sin in ways that hurt both ourselves and others. The more earthly power we have, the more we can hurt. Some believe and save themselves by repenting and accepting God's grace. Others will get what we all deserve.
There is no god, just bad people. Try to be one of the good people.
I think god might ask - why does MAN make war in the first place? And since MAN is responsible for making war, why doesn't MAN stop it?
Man cannot blame all of the world's ill's on GOD - man has to (and eventually will be forced to) take responsibility for what it does (and fails to do) - man has enough food to fill EVERY stomach on the planet and yet people still die of starvation - is THIS god's fault? Man the where-with-all to ensure EVERYONE on this planet has a warm bed, and a roof over their had, and yet we still have homeless people - is THIS god's fault? I could go on and on, but you get the idea - God has enough problems to deal with, without our creating more - why doesn't man deal with his issues, and let god deal with the rest - after all, we're here to serve god, not the other way around!
If God where to involve himself in everyday life than we wouldall know he existed and the world would be heaven, no suffering, no pain, no wars, etc. This lifemay very well be our "test" in which, if passed, we enter Heaven. Again, if God took allevil away there would be no point to this life.
Although I do believe God works in all our lives on a daily basis, just not in the same dramatic way some think he should. So the everyday life of human is touched everyday by God and so too world events.
God gives us humans a choice, and we either get blessed, or pay the consequenses of our actions.
There are no gods, or GodAlmighty... but, there sure are a lot of people speaking for "God" and making threats in "God's" name. Lol
First I am sad that there can be those who I will assume have been hurt enough to feel there is no God. No one can look upon our wonderful universe and really look and not see the wonders of God.
But God allowed and gave man free will, this world is not the home for Christians but we are told we are strangers here and we are merely passing though, to our real home. God has even told us that there will always be poor, hungry but we are to help those that need the help ( except that people that can work, should work) so merely helping peole that could work but don't is not actually bibicial.
But knowing God is having a peace in our body in spite of what is happening.
Never been hurt here. I've never abused anyone, never abused drugs or alcohol, been strong enough to not let others abuse me. Can you say the same?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
But to not feel the need for god, there has to be an emptyness in life. No knowledge of life after death, only living for what this life brings, It would have to be such a sad life.
And I would say that you have some worry about abuse, it must be a serious issue in your life, are you scared that God abuses you by your love of him ?
And many people get invovled in drugs though the years, but it is often from that you find God and he can bring you out, no matter what your situation.
I think what you are doing here is called "projection".
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Hi NK,
I guess the bold statement above can have several meanings. But sometimes it's not the strength of a person that makes them vulnerable to abuse, it's the situation that they are in.
There are children, husbands, wives, who are abused, both physically and/or mentally and it does not mean that are not strong enough.
In truth NK, they are some of the strongest people and may be stronger then most, because they are enduring things that some could never make it through.
Sorry, I just had to pipe in and accept what I get in return.
God is a lover of justice as brought out in Psa 37:28.Quote:
Originally Posted by loveyoupeople
We are made in Gods image which means we have good qualities because HE has good qualities. LOVEYOUPEOPLE, it seems that you are very concerned about the conditions of this world, so surely God is too? I'm sure if you had the power you would put an end to all suffering and wars etc right? Well a study of HIS word will reveal that God can and will put a stop to these things PERMANENTLY.
2 Pet 3:9... God is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed but that all attain to repentance. Imagine if he had wiped out all wickedness long long ago - you would not exist, as many others also.
Satan challenged God the very moment he deceived Eve, by saying in effect 'man does not need YOUR rulership'. So God is allowing man free reign to prove whether this is true. This does not make God responsible for the sad condition of today's world, any more than you would be responsible for your child to grow up and become a serial murderer despite you raising them with good morals and a stable, loving home.
2 Pet 3:13 "There are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell."
I find your question chlich'e;Quote:
Originally Posted by loveyoupeople
Something an ignorant fifteen year old would ask.
I don't believe God ever intended the world to be perfect. In fact , without trial, disposition, war , and disorder, what good would the laws of the Bible be?
Sounds to me that you aren't very open minded at all.
According to the Bible, God created a perfect world.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am not a Patsy
You've got your cart before the horse -- the laws were given because of "trial, disposition, war, and disorder".
God doesn't control humans
He only created us, and we're on our own from there.
He cannot "stop" anything that we do, because it is US that created it, and it is US that must stop it.
Heaven is on earth... only we make a hell out of it!
As long as we do not respect nature... we do not respect ourselves.
We play as being God... we should clean up our own !
I am 12 and don't fully understand the power of God. No one does. But I believe everything. God gave us choice whether to believe or not. I believe and here's some info I hope will help. When Adam and Eve had the bad fruit in the garden of eden they were then banished into a world of imperfection. The garden of eden was perfect. There was no pain. When they were banished they entered a world of pain and suffering and they had to work for things. We also have to do that. Nothing can be perfect now what's done is done. The fruit was eaten and now we all have to live in this imperfect world. It can be beautiful with help from EVERYONE. But we'll still have to work to achieve. Wars: there are wars because there are disagreements which resolve to violence in this world. God won't go back in time and remove the bad fruit tree. What's done is done. Illnesses: Again God won't go back in time. This world isn't perfect. It is full of germs and virus's it's a part f the worlds many imperfections. We do suffer from living in a world with pain. But that is all a part of not being able to live in the garden of eden. Poverty: We do have to work to achieve we won't just get offered money. Life is how it is and we have to deal with it.
God isn't "Just watching." All the people that get better from illnesses got better from the act of God. He loves us all whether we choose to believe or not. Although this world is imperfect. God is performing minor and major miracles everyday of our lives. We may just not see it.
Because God is omnipotent,we are more far from His understandings, everything that is happening is in God's plan and all we can do is to completely trust in Him. :)
That would contradict the bible, and the mentioning of free will. And we'd never learn much if there was some mystical force fixing everything for us, now would we?
Ancient Europeans wrote about Ages of Man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_Man
There are also many other references to various
Types of world ages or Ages of Man in Hopi
(worlds), Mayan (suns) and other cultures of
Antiquity. Giorgio de Santillana, the former
Professor of the history of science, mentions
Approximately thirty ancient cultures that
Believed in the concept of a series of ages and
The rise and fall of history, with alternating
Dark and Golden Ages.
More details of these Ages are available in the
Yuga concept of the Hindus. The present age
Is known as Kali Yuga (age of darkness).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satya_Yuga
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/iml/iml11.htm
http://www.crystallotus.com/Lemuria/04bbTheAges.htm
http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/AgesOfWorld.html
Wars are characteristic features of the present Iron Age (Kali Yuga).
Man is responsible for much of the sadness that goes on in this world, he has done it to himself... he will learn or pay the consequeces.
In the end man will destroy himself.
Man is also responsible for all the good in this world. Which do you choose - do good or cause sadness?
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Hi Needkarma... I was actually answering the question direct... if gods great why doesn't he stop wars?
I should have used the quote.
Yes,man has done a lot of good things... but somehow,I think the fact that we make and manufacture weapons, and then sell them.. (.sometimes to our enemies.).. to kill, some times slaughter innocent people, then I think the bad begins to out weigh the good.
Just my opinion
I think that's more of an american issue than a mankind issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0rphan
Maybe god doesn't see war the way we see war. He is all knowing and has a plan (so I've heard). Maybe there isn't a god? If there was no war, how would journalists and politicians earn a living?
Hello aain (:
Ever since I last posted my answer your question has sat at the back of my mind. Last week in God Stuff at school, we studie the story of Habakkuk. He was a man who had the same question as you do. He has a small book in the bible (Habakkuk) that I stongly suggest you read. It shows him asking God questions and God responding. Through out the book Habakkuks relationship with God grows. I really do suggest you as well study Habakkuk asit relates with your question :)
Bye =]
Heaven is where God is. There is no material concept of heaven
That can do it justice. Heaven is a spiritual condition, where one spiritual being is in
Touch with another spiritual being, and there is total communication and fellowship.
God"s government rests on love.The universe is based on reason, love, and justice.
If God chose to act arbitraily and exercise super force, there would be a danger that
He would have to rule by fear, rather than love. He wants people to love and
serve him voluntarily, not because they fear Him. He is carrying out a drama on earth
that is cosmic in nature, whereby men and woman, created in the image of God, freely choose to serve Him. God"s plan is to triumph love over hate. God lives in man who was
Made in His image. The time will come when He will assemble his body of people who love
Him and will prove beyond any doubt that His love is the most powerful force in the universe. With the trumph of God's love complete, He will deal with Satan.
Maggie 3
Because man has freewill and the evil ones that have seized power over the lambs make too much money from wars to stop them. Besides that, they also like to see people die. That's how bad they really are and that my friend, is why we must stop them.
I would stop them but I am afraid someone may get hurt. Like me.
Why would god put us here to pass or fail a test? Isn't that a set up. A CONDITIONAL love.Quote:
Originally Posted by BMI
Would you condemn your child to eternal fire and damnation if he/she failed a test of allegance to you? That god doesn't sound very forgiving of human error to me:rolleyes:.
I thought god was everywhere. I was taught to love and fear god. You've heard the phrase, "good god fearing people." And why shouldn't we fear him, especially in the christian religion? It is put before us, Believe in this, that and the other and you will spend eternity with me. If you don't believe this, that and the other, you can spend eternity in hell. That sets up a fear based choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggie 3
He DID wipe out wickedness long ago. Ever hear of Noah's Ark? And here we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moparbyfar
cozyk-
While I respect your point of view, your disagreements are out of line, and against the rules, as everyone can have their opinion.
Cozyk - Going around and giving reddies to people that don't share your beliefs is really inappropriate behaviour. Also, your eye rolls and simplistic comments to questions or comments in which it seems you know very little, are also unwarranted.
You want to get into a discussion about the point of life and God then so be it, I'll even entertain that one sided debate in a PM if you'd like. Not so much to hear what you have to say but rather to dispel the nonsense written above, by you, of course (I AM rolling my eyes):)
I'm sorry, I really don't see why they are out of line. They are NOT my opinions or disagreements as much as they are my questions. My frustration is that no one has answered or addressed my questions. It is like people write these proclamations, but if someone questions a part of it, then they are stumped and I never get an answer. I TRUELEY would like to have responses to my questions. I'm sorry to sound difficult, I just REALLY want to know the answers.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
What answers are you seeking?
I've read some of your comments on various threads, you don't seem to ask many questions rather give your own interpretation. Eye rolls and authoritative answers to posts are very insulting (mine were out of self defence and so I should be absolved from any wrong doing:))
Ask and you shall receive (wonder where I've heard that before?). Bang and stomp and you will get what you give.
Okay, answer this. Why does God allow natural disasters that cause innocent people to be killed or people suffer because someone they love is killed? Sorry about the eye rolling. Again, I'm frustrated because things that I point out are just ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by BMI
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