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What are two absolutes that exist in eternity and never change?

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Death and Taxes

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Originally Posted by Emland

Death and Taxes

Sorry, both involve change.:)

I was going to say Nothing and Forever. No matter what changes, nothing isn't going to include it anyway. If you believe in Christianity, and god destroys the universe, he can create something else. Forever is as long as anything does, will, and has existed. If you don't believe in Christianity, then if the universe dies out, we could have a big crunch, and then another big bang. Again, forever would be a timeline that includes this. I suppose that could change as time progresses, but the MEANING stays the same.

I guess you could also argue that the past doesn't change. That is, unless you find a way to go back in time.

Maybe I got one of the two? I'm no philosipher.

Death and time which are mututally inclusive.

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Originally Posted by retsoksirhc

I was going to say Nothing and Forever. No matter what changes, nothing isn't going to include it anyways. If you believe in Christianity, and god destroys the universe, he can create somthing else. Forever is as long as anything does, will, and has existed. If you don't believe in Christianity, then if the universe dies out, we could have a big crunch, and then another big bang. Again, forever would be a timeline that includes this. I suppose that could change as time progresses, but the MEANING stays the same.

I guess you could also argue that the past doesn't change. That is, unless you find a way to go back in time.

Maybe I got one of the two? I'm no philosipher.

Interesting thoughts you have. However, Nothing and Forever are concepts with-out objects, that is, they are not material objects. As far as the past, it does not still exist today.

I will however concede you are technically accurate about, “Nothing, and forever” given that I did not qualify “Absolute” as being material objects.

However by my meaning of absolutes your answers are not correct.

Good thinking though on your part.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

Interesting thoughts you have. However, Nothing and Forever are concepts with-out objects, that is, they are not material objects. As far as the past, is does not still exist today.

I will however concede you are technically accurate about, “Nothing, and forever” given that I did not qualify “Absolute” as being material objects.

However by my meaning of absolutes your answers are not correct.

Good thinking though on your part.

Well, it was worth a try.

Is this a riddle? It might be too hard for me, if it is.

There are none according to Buddhism, but...

How about Greed and Ignorance? :)

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Originally Posted by Thomas1970

There are none according to Buddhism, but...

How about Greed and Ignorance? :)

Greed and Ignorance are both subjective concepts which do change, and do not exist in the physical world.:)

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Or space and matter?

But I believe the only thing existing eternally would be the Almighty... ::), but that is not what you are asking Dark Crow, is it?

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or space and matter?

But I believe the only thing existing eternally would be the Almighty...::), but that is not what you are asking Dark Crow, is it?

O.K.- I'll give one and it should make the other easier. . It has survived untouched for many thousands of years and will survive to the end of time. The North Star i.e. Polaris which remains fixed in position. One fixed reference point in the heavens, which enables us to make sense of all other units of measure. If there were no fixed reference point, there could be no North, South, East or West.

A star that survives until the end of time? I don't think so.

Eternity means "time without end"... in reality, is there time without end??

In monotheism/faith/belief, not reality, eternity *is believed* to exist as is a god who inhabits it.

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A star that survives until the end of time? I don't think so.

You had better hope so, four billion people on earth would be in a constant state of confusion, and travel would be limited to a very short distance. And stand still, you look as nervous as a whore in church.:)

I'm going to have to agree with NK. And without Polaris, the earth would still have a north south east and west. They are based on the magnetic field the planet is in. Except for true north, which is marked by Polaris. This DID change, though, as long ago, the celestial marker for true north was a star called Thuban.

Also, if you're talking about the north star itself, it does change. It's location changes, it's mass changes, it emits energy by giving off light. I'm not sure what type of star it is, but I'm sure the chemical makeup of it also changes.

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Originally Posted by Choux

Eternity means "time without end"....in reality, is there time without end???

In monotheism/faith/belief, not reality, eternity *is believed* to exist as is a god who inhabits it.

Don’t wax philosophical on me now sweet cheeks, eternity is really long, especially near the end.:)

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

You had better hope so, four billion people on earth would be in a constant state of confusion, and travel would be limited to a very short distance. And stand still, you look as nervous as a whore in church.:)

Our sun indeed has a limited life span:
What is the life expectancy of the sun?

Mr. Crow, I just checked again; this is the Philosophy Board!

:):):)

So... what is the other? Perhaps it is a little bit more legitimate.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

Sorry, both involve change.:)

Who changes from dead?

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Originally Posted by retsoksirhc

So...what is the other? Perhaps it is a little bit more legitamate.

O.K. one down and another to go…longitude & latitude

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

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Eternity and never

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Originally Posted by Choux

Mr. Crow, I just checked again; this is the Philosophy Board!

:):):)

So it is, what do you know, and I thought it was the graveyard. :D

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Who changes from dead?

The change is to dead, but not back again; therefor non-existence.

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Originally Posted by CaptainRich

Eternity and never

Never is eternity :)

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Our sun indeed has a limited life span:
What is the life expectancy of the sun?

Stand still, I can't read your posts:D

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

Interesting thoughts you have. However, Nothing and Forever are concepts with-out objects, that is, they are not material objects.
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However by my meaning of absolutes your answers are not correct.

I only quote this because I want to be an arse :)

I had to think about this for a minute, but I think you can dismiss latitude and longitude, also. If you're referring to them as the physical locations on continents, and geographic locations, then you shuold remember that the earth's crust is made of plates. These plates move, and the latitude and longitude coordinates of a physical location can change slightly. Supposedly, the earth started with one continent, Pangea, I believe was the name they gave it. The locations of almost everything has certainly changed since then.\

If you mean the lines we draw on a globe, then refer to what you told me earlier. They aren't real objects, just concepts, so by your meaning of absolutes, that can't e right either...

Sorry :P

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Originally Posted by retsoksirhc

I only quote this because I want to be an arse :)

I had to think about this for a minute, but I think you can dismiss lattitude and longitude, also. If you're referring to them as the physical locations on continents, and geographic locations, then you shuold remember that the earth's crust is made of plates. These plates move, and the lattitude and longitude coordinates of a physical location can change slightly. Supposedly, the earth started out with one continent, Pangea, I believe was the name they gave it. The locations of almost everything has certainly changed since then.\

If you mean the lines we draw on a globe, then refer to what you told me earlier. They aren't real objects, just concepts, so by your meaning of absolutes, that can't e right either...

Sorry :P

Well arse,:) are there no absolutes: everything is relative?

Your vision of philosophy and the introduction of your concepts of science have, over the past, been shown to mutually exclusive.

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Originally Posted by CaptainRich

Your vision of philosophy and the introduction of your concepts of science have, over the past, been shown to mutually exclusive.

And in English that means… :)

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

And in English that means… :)

Haha, ouch. This thread is COLD. But it's all in good fun, right? RIGHT?

Also, I want to revise an earlier post. I'm changing my "The Past" to "History." The past may not exist today, but history does, as it refers to knowledge about the past. It's still not physical, but it meets the same criteria as nothing and forever now, I believe.

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Originally Posted by retsoksirhc

Haha, ouch. This thread is COLD. But it's all in good fun, right? RIGHT?

Also, I want to revise an earlier post. I'm changing my "The Past" to "History." The past may not exist today, but history does, as it refers to knowledge about the past. It's still not physical, but it meets the same criteria as nothing and forever now, I believe.

Good move, and that proves history can be re-written, right. :D

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

Good move, and that proves history can be re-written, right. :D

Damn... walked right into that one. Unless you consider it an annotation instead of a rewrite :)

Quote Home Simpson: "Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!"

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Originally Posted by retsoksirhc

Haha, ouch. This thread is COLD. But it's all in good fun, right? RIGHT?

Also, I want to revise an earlier post. I'm changing my "The Past" to "History." The past may not exist today, but history does, as it refers to knowledge about the past. It's still not physical, but it meets the same criteria as nothing and forever now, I believe.

Knowledge, now that is an interesting word, given the relativity of the world.

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Originally Posted by retsoksirhc

Damn...walked right into that one. Unless you consider it an annotation instead of a rewrite :)

Quote Home Simpson: "Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!"

Indeed, when we interpret from particulars to generalities we often get it wrong.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

And in English that means… :)

In reality your using your own strawman riddle to pump up your own post.

So that's what you think. And you reached that conclusion by Deduction or Induction

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

Well arse,:) are there no absolutes: everything is relative?

According to this, it looks like he used inductive reasoning. Since nothing is absolute, you can't deduct anything from it. Right? Oh wait, that was deductive..
Since nothing is absolute (for the most part), the majority of the entirety of existence (or most of it), nothing (or almost nothing) can be deducted from it (or part of it).

Right?

Um... what?

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Originally Posted by retsoksirhc

According to this, it looks like he used inductive reasoning. Since nothing is absolute, you can't deduct anything from it. Right? Oh wait, that was deductive..
Since nothing is absolute (for the most part), the majority of the entirety of existance (or most of it), nothing (or almost nothing) can be deducted from it (or part of it).

Right?

Um...what?

From nothing is absolute we might deduce that all is theory; which of course religion, Evolution and Politics is.

Ya think? Whooops, forgot science

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

What are two absolutes that exist in eternity and never change?...

The laws of time and space. Our interpretation of time and space may change, but the laws themselves will not.