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Originally Posted by Jesushelper76

I would like to add, the thought that. We have always existed... There was no beginning and no end. God has always been and we have always been part of God.

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If that is one's belief. :)

Hello again,

I get that you folks believe that I've always been alive, and I'm always going to be... That's a nice idea... But, it flies in the face of, what I'll call, reality...

I say that, because if I've always been alive, it didn't feel like it. As a matter of fact, I'll bet it felt exactly like being dead. You also say that I'm going to be alive after I'm dead, but I don't think it's going to FEEL like I'm alive, so I'm not buying it.

I suppose faith would eventually come into the conversation...

excon

I agree with you ex. Most people's memories start at around 3 years old and there's no proof that anything happens after death. Got to enjoy these 90 years we have here on this planet of ours. Hopefully we touched some lives or did some deeds that will keep the memory of us alive after our death.

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Originally Posted by excon

I get that you folks believe that I've always been alive, and I'm always going to be.... That's a nice idea... But, it flies in the face of, what I'll call, reality...

I say that, because if I've always been alive, it didn't feel like it. As a matter of fact, I'll bet it felt exactly like being dead. You also say that I'm going to be alive after I'm dead, but I don't think it's going to FEEL like I'm alive, so I'm not buying it.

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Are you alive when you are asleep and not aware that you are alive?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Are you alive when you are asleep and not aware that you are alive?

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So if that is the analogy then whether we are alive forever or not is pointless if there is no knowledge of it.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

So if that is the analogy then whether we are alive forever or not is pointless if there is no knowledge of it.

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What I'm sayin' is one can be alive and not aware. Sleeping isn't pointless.

I agree, sleep is not pointless. But saying that is one is always alive forever and it's just like sleeping (for example) kind of makes the whole 'alive forever' issue pointless since, like sleep, we aren't aware of it. Basically whether we are alive forever or not is indeed pointless if there is no consciousness of it. Does that make sense? :)

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I agree, sleep is not pointless. But saying that is one is always alive forever and it's just like sleeping (for example) kind of makes the whole 'alive forever' issue pointless since, like sleep, we aren't aware of it. Basically whether we are alive forever or not is indeed pointless if there is no consciousness of it. Does that make sense? :)

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No. What happens when you are asleep?

Nothing?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Nothing?

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Oh my!

Enlighten me!

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Enlighten me!

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There's whole bunch of stuff going on during sleep --

Wakefulness, Alertness, Sleep, and Dreams

Or similarly, but more accessible --

Our bodies at rest: What happens when we sleep - by E.L. Miller - Helium

And best of all --

What Does Your Body Do While You're Asleep? | Big Site of Amazing Facts ©

I don't deny that but the person isn't aware of any of it. You could be sleeping for one hour or 14 hours, it's the same thing to the body owner - no consciousness. Once some one dies I'm quite certain that your cells don't repair themselves or that you move around 12 times a night.

Of course to say anything about what happens after death is pure conjecture since there are no facts to back it up. One could be asleep forever or one simply dies. If the 'sleep forever' gives you more comfort than so be it.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Once some one dies I'm quite certain that your cells don't repair themselves or that you move around 12 times a night....One could be asleep forever or one simply dies.

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So where is your mind in all this?

Or one could "wake up" again after death.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Or one could "wake up" again after death.

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Ah, so that's what you were driving at. I guess it could be re-awakened but that just sounds like wishful thinking to me.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Ah, so that's what you were driving at. I guess it could be re-awakened but that just sounds like wishful thinking to me.

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Being senseless after death sounds like wishful thinking to me.

Ok. :) <nice try>

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Ok. :) <nice try>

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Nice try for what? You don't know what will happen after death, or what was going on before birth. Scientists haven't begun to uncap the secrets of the mind.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

.. or what was going on before birth. .

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A sperm and an egg meet and merge.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

A sperm and an egg meet and merge.

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... or what was going on before conception.