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Originally Posted by rosanna-hope

of course he knows its not disneyland, i dont refuse to accept it, ive already accepted it and im finding a way around it - youre trying to frighten me in telling me the facts which is the worst way around it.

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From what you've been posting you have been refusing to acknowledge those facts... pretending they don't exist isn't the best way around it.

Sorry, but the innocence of youth is no protection from the lowlifes of the world. And with the passage to maturity... you have to deal with them as part of everyday life. We all do when you walk down the street, where you chose to live... IF you even decide to pass through certain neighborhoods. I'm 48... I've been around Biker Gangs... I grew up with people that are doing life in prison for murder... I've had friends that were killed various ways over the years. I've been to far more funerals than I care to remember of people I cared a lot about.

Sorry, but I've seen too much reality to pretend otherwise.

And spending three days at a music festival ISN'T like going to the market shopping. Not in any way. And even if nothing happens to you and you get your pockets picked on the first day... how do you eat. You have the Travelers (Gypsies) in the UK that like to be at these events... many have no legitimate work... and survive by theft.


An adult looks at these things... and prepares for them... they don't just assume it won't happen to them.

A common misconception is that gypsies steal, they don't. My aunt and her family are romany gypsies, it's the pikeys (irish travellers) that steal. And I most deffinately don't think that a gypsie can pay £170 to get into an event, they won't even get in through sneaking in. if anyone's stupid enough to keep your money in your pockets whilst around a lot of people is just asking to get their pockets picked. Yeah and I know that people are messed up, that's the reason I'm not my mother and she is who she is, she hangs around with these people and lost everything from it which is why I chose to stay away from it. Being at a music festival is for the enjoyment of the music - that's the whole point of it.

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Originally Posted by rosanna-hope

of course he knows its not disneyland, i dont refuse to accept it, ive already accepted it and im finding a way around it - youre trying to frighten me in telling me the facts which is the worst way around it.

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Nobody is trying to frighten you , we are telling you there is a world out there with cruel, sick, perverted people. This isn't what you want to hear.
You are wanting one of us to say; okay, hey great idea! A fourteen year
Old girl at a festival where God knows what could happen.

You are very relentless when you argue about something you want. Do you argue with your dad like the this? Life sometimes isn't fair and that is the truth.You should be grateful people who you don't even know are trying help you.

No, I don't argue with my dad like this - we discuss it because he respects what I have to say and doesn't attack me and tries to take my ideas and his and put them together. Also I'm 15, not 14, yes the world is full of sick and peverted people - it can happen to anyone, its no more likely to happen at a festival then it is on the street or waiting for a bus.

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Originally Posted by rosanna-hope

a common misconception is that gypsies steal, they dont. my aunt and her family are romany gypsies, its the pikeys (irish travellers) that steal. and i most deffinately dont think that a gypsie can pay £170 to get into an event, they wont even get in through sneaking in. if anyones stupid enough to keep your money in your pockets whilst around alot of people is just asking to get their pockets picked. yeah and i know that people are messed up, thats hte reason im not my mother and she is who she is, she hangs around with these people and lost everything from it which is why i chose to stay away from it. being at a music festival is for the enjoyment of the music - thats the whole point of it.

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Really... Gypsies don't steal... Exactly where did you gather that tidbit of information from.

I've seen and been around the Romany Gypsies on continental europe for over 25 years... and they do nothing but steal... they don't stay in one place long... nobody will hire them so exactly where does this money come from? Its like the Mafia... the low people on the ladder that do all the theft pay upwards to their elders who avoid the direct crimes... but stolen property is still stolen property no matter how many hands it passes through.


Gypsies were caught breaking into my Condo in Europe... Gypsies stole a friends car... (IT was found in their camp)... when the police go through the camps they arrest a LOT of people for possession of stolen property.

Fact is they teach their kids to do most of the theft... and pickpocketing due to the very lax laws about juveniles who commit crime. Until the influx of Albanians and Romainians into Europe.. the Romany were the perpetrators of a disporportionaly large amount of crime.

Yes... I know a lot of Police in Continental Europe... personally. I know what the Roma do there all too well (In a general sense). I don't see why the UK should be unique.

The Travelers aren't really any different... except for ethnicity. We have them too, thieves and shysters. They are just a bit less visible.

You said you would be 15 when the summer comes. Look I've given you my thoughts and you still want to try and convince yourself and your dad it's okay. Hope you and your dad can get it settled.Good Luck

The romany gypsies here don't steal, it's the irish tinkers that typically do.

Yeah asin because ill be 15 when it comes around meaning I don't have a birthday or anything coming up. I am going to convince him its okay, because it is - don't knock it till you try it.

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Originally Posted by rosanna-hope

no, i dont argue with my dad like this - we discuss it becuase he respects what i have to say and doesnt attack me and tries to take my ideas and his and put them together. also im 15, not 14, yes the world is full of sick and peverted people - it can happen to anyone, its no more likely to happen at a festival then it is on the street or waiting for a bus.

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Can you provide statistics that can back that claim up... you seem alone in believing that.

No I can't provide statistics, can you?
It can happen anywhere.

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Originally Posted by rosanna-hope

the romany gypsies here dont steal, its the irish tinkers that typically do.

yeah asin becuase ill be 15 when it comes around meaning i dont have a birthday or anything coming up. i am going to convince him its okay, becuase it is - dont knock it till you try it.

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The Irish Tinkerers aren't the ones roaming in bands in Europe I was referring to... though they probibly are there as well... those are Romany Gypsies I speak of... and they would never pass as Irish to anyone, anywhere. You can't miss them.

Pick a country anywhere in Europe... Paris... Rome for example.. you will see Rmany Gypsies there... on the streets robbing people... usually the kids doing it since they won't be locked up for long as an adult would. I've seen it personally.

THe adults usually beg on the sidewalks... the kids do pickpocketing and purse snatching until they become adults... usually.

No, I'll agree, the Irish tinkerers are no different and no better than the Romany Gypsies, just a different group ethnically. But maybe more dangerous because they blend in better ethnically.

And again you are totally ignoring everyone... you alone know more than anyone does... all of us.. you rfather.. because heaven knows... at 15 you already know everything there is to possibly know about life and its all downhill from there.

Sorry... but that's the attitude that's coming through the words you are typing. Whatever anyone says you are arguing they are wrong and you are right basically.

ANd the last thing any of us wants to see on the news is a story about a 15 year old that was brutally raped and murdered at a UK music event. No a picked pocket won't make it beyond local news.

And think you are unique... most child prostitutes are runaways that thought at whatever their age was that they alone knew more than their parents and insisted on doing what they want, when they want to. And Hollywood for example is full of them... same with NYC, LA, NYC. Andy major city you can name... and NONE of them are in control of their lives either.

One of the signs of maturity... is being able to see and admit when you are wrong about something.

Would it be possible that both of you,stop talking about enthics groups.

Happily

Its not going to make me like that group any better... restitution was never made for my losses. Even though they were caught.

Incidentally... your father seems to care more about your well being than you do. Its time to trust your father because he has your best interests at heart... you however have only your selfish self interests about what you want right here and now at any cost at heart. And no.. as the adult he isn't required to go ad-nausium into great detail why he said no. It's a family... not a democracy. They will make choices you don't always like... thats life. If they wanted you to die... they would have had an abortion 15 years ago. Widom comes with age and experience... judgement comes with wisdom... at 15 you have neither. And neither does anyone else your age.

When you are self supporting and have your own place. (there will always bwe another festival to attend).. THEN you can do what you want. You may not care about what happens to you... but spare the man the pain and guilt of responsibility if he let you go and something happened because you were too young and naïve to do it safely. Trust me... some day you WILL know what I'm talking about.

Lets assume you had an 11 year old sister that wanted to go alone with her friends... would you tell her go and have fun... or would you say she's not quite old enough yet... and if so... what makes 15 that critical age but not 11? Give that some thought.

Yes, I'm selfish and have selfish interests.. that's what "kids" do best!

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Originally Posted by rosanna-hope

yes, im selfish and have selfish interests .. thats what "kids" do best!

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That's been clear since post #1. At least now you admit it... rather than expecting everyone to agree with you.


NOW will you try and look at this from an adults perspective? Rather than dismiss all the advice we've given... and the explainations behind it.

There isn't a person here that wants to see something bad happen... or we would just say do it. Reality of today's life is far different than it was even 30 years ago. As in its far more dangerous today.

Its not I don't accept what you're saying its just so boring and repeated 24/7, just doesn't get through because its not being put into my head the right way!

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Originally Posted by rosanna-hope

you lock your tents at night, my sister wouldnt be staying with me and my girlfriends as shes going with her boyfriend.

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First night in Reading, cool

Second night in a cargo container, not cool

Third night in Albania, bad

The rest of your too short, too trusting life in Istanbul.

Happens every single day.

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Originally Posted by rosanna-hope

its not i dont accept what youre saying its just so boring and repeated 24/7, just doesnt get through because its not being put into my head the right way!

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Well see, that's your problem to assimilate... we are putting the facts out to you in as simple and clear a manner as we can... to avoid the possibility of misconception.

If we get creative or clever there really is no way we can be sure you understood them as intended. That's one of the limitations of a forum. Face to face body language says a lot,. but absent that we have to be more direct.

And we really are trying to make you understand it from your fathers perspective.

I've hung out with some real scarey types growing up... but some of the things I presented is what goes through my mind if it was me going... or even a daughter. Even at my age. When you get older you see and think about what MIGHT happen.

Nobody grows old by taking uneccessary risks. Or being blissfull ignorant of what might happen.


I'll be the first to tell you... "Ignorance is bliss"... and wish I could explain that better... but I can't. There are events and knowledge you will come across as you grow up and older. Some of them change your life forever. Most of them you should be in no rush to experience. You just have to take someone's word for some things.

I've seen a man get shot in the chest point blank from 20 feet way (about 7 meters)... I've seen bodies burned alive until they were human shaped chunks of carbon. Not photos or video of it. There is plenty of time to do some things... but not to take chances with your well being.

I don't know your fathers story, but I'm sure he has his he could tell. And he does want you to make it to adulthood without any trauma.

I have been reading your arguments and I think you need a wake-up call. That non-existent crime at the Reading Festival:
Reading Festival rape victim not willing to prosecute - News - getreading - Reading Post

Please read the article and keep in mind that not everyone makes police reports especially those of a sexual nature.