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Originally Posted by shazamataz

No to which one? :confused:

Thankyou for you answer Jake.

We have decided that we will definitely be having a chat with the mother.
Hopefully this coming weekend we will be able to drive down to see them.

I have a question, can all the minors who have the photograph (mostly boys under 16) can they be charged with possession of child pornography?
I don't really want this blowing out of hand (and kids being charged) but I do want something to be done about it.

Kit: I know she won't see it that way now but hopefully in the future she will thank us.

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Are you still here? Get on the road.

I don't know about the possession charge. How can you find who all has the photo? If it's on a phone you're outa luck.

Let me repeat, don't assume how much the Mom is aware of. She may know and feel helpless, or be clueless, either way.

I have read recently where both the one making the porn, as well as those in possession of the porn, and those viewing and sharing the porn, can all be charged. No matter what the age.

It is likely that you will never know how many people have viewed the picture(s), as it would be forwarded to others.

That is one of the things that bother me, is the risk taking behaviour of this girl.

Good luck in your trip to find answers Shaz.

Unfortunately we don't have the money right now to drive there until next weekend, otherwise I would be there in a heartbeat.

Grr I just wish there was a way to erase a certain photo from everyone's phones, a self destruct of sorts!

I wouldn't want the kids with the photo to be charged... a stern talking to or a warning yes, definitely, but I wouldn't want a record on my conscience... unless they had deliberately forwarded it on to people.

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Originally Posted by shazamataz

ce... unless they had deliberately forwarded it on to people.

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Of course they deliberately forwarded it on to others, shaz. A teen with a photo on their phone like that, what do you think is going to happen. I can't see them erasing it out of pity for another teen.

Yes, it is child porn, so you got a lot to get around in this situation and at this point it just can't be swept under the carpet. Too much has already happened.

Given this young person's track record, as you have explained it, nothing is going to make a difference, she is on a role with all of this attention.

Tick

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Unfortunately we don't have the money right now to drive there until next weekend, otherwise I would be there in a heartbeat.

Grr I just wish there was a way to erase a certain photo from everyones phones, a self destruct of sorts!

I wouldn't want the kids with the photo to be charged... a stern talking to or a warning yes, definitely, but I wouldn't want a record on my conscience... unless they had deliberately forwarded it on to people.

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More then likely this is what could happen. The evidence is found and the one she gave / sent it to might get charged and the word will spread like wildfire and those that have it will erase it and go into complete denial. The longer it has been out there the further it could have went. But if it leads to the 18y/o getting charged with something so be it. It will send a strict example into your community that this type of behavior is unacceptable. No 18 y/o needs to be having anything to do with a 13 y/o unless its his sister. What I would be worried about is that if she was told it won't go anywhere and then she is approached or blackmailed into doing something else. That is why you need to hold true to your heart and help this girl through this struggle.

Hello:

Let me jump in here. A kid sending a picture of another naked kid to a buddy is NOT child pornography. It's not nice. It's rude. It's embarrassing. It's juvenile. But, it ain't a crime. Real child pornography, on the other hand, where children are indeed, exploited, is a major offense punishable by YEARS in prison and LIFELONG tracking. It's a crime designed to put dirty old men away.

That ISN'T what this is. This is KIDSTUFF! It ain't great kidstuff. But, it ain't a crime. Now it's true. The law hasn't yet made the distinction I just did. Therefore, you must. However you handle it, don't call the cops. They won't make any distinctions.

excon

Hi ex, well then who teaches the kids a lesson ? Who is the one that gets punished for distributing the picture over the net ? It has to be the oldest member of the teens who are doing it. Whoever has it on their cell phone may not be liable, but that pic is going to stick around. Teens will be commenting on that pic, going back to it and looking for a long time yet. So you have to know it is going to end up on some dirty old man's computer file so he can ogle it anytime he wants.

I say absolutely 'kidstuff' can be as harmful as any dirty old men. I also know absolutely you know what you are talking about, that is irrefutable.

I do agree on not calling the cops, I think I said that in my first post. Talk about a can of worms being opened up, this has to take the cake !

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Hello:

That ISN'T what this is. This is KIDSTUFF! It ain't great kidstuff. But, it ain't a crime. Now it's true. The law hasn't yet made the distinction I just did. Therefore, you must. However you handle it, don't call the cops. They won't make any distinctions.

excon

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Here is where we come to a point of disagreeing. Yes I agree there is such a thing as kidstuff. But if the 18 y/o was the one that convinced or coerced the 13 y/o to take the picture or took it himself then at a minimum its contributing to the delinquincy of a minor. So yes a crime is being committed. And if his intent was to get himself off and to share it with others then it crossed the line into child ponography because an "adult" was involved. If that line isn't drawn then where would it stop?

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Here is where we come to a point of disagreeing. Yes I agree there is such a thing as kidstuff. But if the 18 y/o was the one that convinced or coerced the 13 y/o to take the picture or took it himself then at a minimum its contributing to the delinquincy of a minor. So yes a crime is being commited. And if his intent was to get himself off and to share it with others then it crossed the line into child ponography because an "adult" was involved. If that line isnt drawn then where would it stop?

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There is a law against cyber-bullying... includes camera phones.. texting threatening or sexual remarks to one or more people. It also includes anything sent on a computer which is detrimental to a child's well being .
If the kid showed the picture to the brother at school or any other school function... or if the boy does show the picture at school... it is a crime.:)

It breaks the zero tolerance code. Do you have this in the schools there Shaz?:confused:

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Here is where we come to a point of disagreeing. But if the 18 y/o was the one...... If that line isnt drawn then where would it stop?

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Hello again, dad:

I don't think we disagree. I'm not for pedophilia. I don't support child pornographers. I think sex offenders and child molesters should be in jail. Where we disagree, if we do, is at what point does one bring in the authorities...

In the scenario under discussion, there is a lot of rumor, supposition, guessing, stuff we can't be told, and probably some gossip too. In short we don't KNOW anything. In fact, you're the one who used the magic word "IF" above. I didn't use it. You did.

I'm simply suggesting that until we KNOW he did anything, the line that we both agree is there, has not been crossed.

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Hello again, dad:

I don't think we disagree. I'm not for pedophilia. I don't support child pornographers. I think sex offenders and child molesters should be in jail. Where we disagree, if we do, is at what point does one bring in the authorities....

In the scenario under discussion, there is a lot of rumor, supposition, guessing, stuff we can't be told, and probably some gossip too. In short we don't KNOW anything. In fact, you're the one who used the magic word "IF" above. I didn't use it. You did.

I'm simply suggesting that until we KNOW he did anything, the line that we both agree is there, has not been crossed.

excon

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I think you can see in my posts that what I support is intervention. I didn't mention police. I did mention possibly CPS because of the fathers behavior. And possibly from the current situation. But I believe this thread was started on the premising question of " should I get involved". And I was offering my opinion as to why. As far as I know ex you're a stand up person. And I have no reason to believe otherwise. Im just throwing out there the different levels this can go to and why. Also Im giving my support to intervention. Im not there. So its not up to me to call the shots on this one. But that is left for the OP to choose.

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Hello again, dad:

I don't think we disagree. I'm not for pedophilia. I don't support child pornographers. I think sex offenders and child molesters should be in jail. Where we disagree, if we do, is at what point does one bring in the authorities....

In the scenario under discussion, there is a lot of rumor, supposition, guessing, stuff we can't be told, and probably some gossip too. In short we don't KNOW anything. In fact, you're the one who used the magic word "IF" above. I didn't use it. You did.

I'm simply suggesting that until we KNOW he did anything, the line that we both agree is there, has not been crossed.

excon

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Hi Excon... I think we all need to just think of this little girl right now. Shaz will do the right thing and maybe this child will be safe. I think I could kill with bare hands anyone who who would ever hurt one of my children or grandchildren.
When Shaz finds out more then we'll know how far this has gone. Right now we need to pray for all of them and if anyone doesn't believe in prayer than just keep a good thought for her. Hugs to you Excon:)

And time goes on, and a naked 13 year olds body is in a picture being passed around, and there is the question of rape, that she told her brother about.

For those two facts alone, the only one I'm saying a prayer for is that little girl.

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And time goes on, and a naked 13 year olds body is in a picture being passed around, and there is the question of rape, that she told her brother about.

For those two facts alone, the only one I'm saying a prayer for is that little girl.

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We all want the best for this little girl. I think Shaz will do what needs to be done. This child really needs them and she really deserves adults who will stand up for her. The picture really bothers me and if he keeps showing it around, this child will face a whole lot more problems.:(

I just read this shaz, wow, sorry to hear this has been happenng.

I'm sorry I haven't been able to read the other posts, still not feeling well... but has anyone sat down with the daughter and talked to her?
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Seeing as she has already cried rape before, there must be something happening in her life to need the attention she is crying for.
Does the mother know that the father lets his 13 year old drink and smoke? If so why does she let her go over there?

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I just read this shaz, wow, sorry to hear this has been happenng.

I'm sorry I haven't been able to read the other posts, still not feeling well... but has anyone sat down witht he daughter and talked to her?
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Seeing as she has already cried rape before, there must be something happening in her life to need the attention she is crying for.
Does the mother know that the father lets his 13 year old drink and smoke? If so why does she let her go over there?

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I tthink Shaz is going to find out all this and then she'll know what to do.You're right Bella what kind of parent doesn't see what's happening!:confused:

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No to which one? :confused:

Thankyou for you answer Jake.

We have decided that we will definitely be having a chat with the mother.
Hopefully this coming weekend we will be able to drive down to see them.

I have a question, can all the minors who have the photograph (mostly boys under 16) can they be charged with possession of child pornography?
I don't really want this blowing out of hand (and kids being charged) but I do want something to be done about it.

Kit: I know she won't see it that way now but hopefully in the future she will thank us.

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Probably. If they found out who took it, that person would probably get the added charge of creating and/or distributing child pornography.

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probably. if they found out who took it, that person would probably get the added charge of creating and/or distributing child pornography.

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Let's hope they find out.

At this point, the focus needs to be on the girl and her family. If the boys involved with this photo end up being collateral damage, so be it.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but who CARES? They did something I'm sure they knew was wrong. They knew exactly who the picture was of. They are obviously intentionally showing others, and revealing her identity. They are active participants in possible destroying this girls life. Who CARES if they end up getting in trouble in the process of making sure this girl is OK?

A 16 year old boy and his 15 year old girlfriend were both charged for possession and distrubuting child pornography here in NS. She sent him a pic of her through pic mail.