Hi, All!

I've known at least two individuals that have had one. Both happened while they were in the hospital. One was dying and the other was giving birth to one of her children. I consider both sources to be very credible.

What do you think, please? Is having that sort of experience something that you believe to be true or not? There's certainly enough documented cases where it would seem plausible that they actually happen and are believable.

If you believe in it, do you think that it's the actual "soul" that leaves the body, or maybe something else?

I've not had one. But, I think that it would be kind of neat to experience having one!

Thanks!

Hi Clough, sorry your question went unanswered. It isn't so far out there.

I may have had OOBEs a couple of times over the years, but its hard to tell if they are just suggestions or real. I have read a lot about them, read personal experiences of people on operating tables looking down on their body, looking back at 'the light' and wondering whether to go to it or not. Well, we all know what 'the light' is, and it's a beautiful thought.

Mystics say that if an out of body experience is done intentionally, all openings to the body must be plugged (that means ALL) in case an unknown entity enters while the soul is gone. The soul can't return to its body after this happens, because basically it is inhabited.

Yes, it is supposed to be our soul that travels, supposedly during these episodes, a soul can travel a great distance and view many things, or just hang around a ceiling.

Tick

Interesting thing about what you mentioned Tick.

About plugging openings of the body when they try out of body experience.
We actually say special prayers before bedtime, as a protection for the body and soul as we believe that the soul is connected to the body but away from it. Unlike death where the connection to the body does not exist.
And in this state of partial connection, there is always the risk of jinns/ghosts disturbing the body.

I have never had an out of body experience other than dreams and sometimes I wonder if my soul actually experienced what I saw as my body slept.

I am not sure about being able to control this experience,can people really do that?



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Hi Clough, sorry your question went unanswered. It isnt so far out there.

I may have had OOBEs a couple of times over the years, but its hard to tell if they are just suggestions or real. I have read a lot about them, read personal experiences of people on operating tables looking down on their body, looking back at 'the light' and wondering whether to go to it or not. Well, we all know what 'the light' is, and its a beautiful thought.

Mystics say that if an out of body experience is done intentionally, all openings to the body must be plugged (that means ALL) in case an unknown entity enters while the soul is gone. The soul can't return to its body after this happens, because basically it is inhabited.

Yes, it is supposed to be our soul that travels, supposedly during these episodes, a soul can travel a great distance and view many things, or just hang around a ceiling.

tick

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Why do you suppose that you've had the out of body experiences that you've had, tickle?

Thanks!

Hi Clough, like I mentioned, I don't know if I really experienced an 'out of body' or not, its kind of hard to tell. I guess part of me doesn't really want to know if I did or not. I distinctly remember floating around the ceiling looking down, but this could have been suggestion before going to sleep.

To answer your question, I just don't know why.

Tick

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I have never had an out of body experience other than dreams and sometimes I wonder if my soul actually experienced what I saw as my body slept.

I am not sure about being able to control this experience,can people really do that?



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It would be nice to know we could control an 'out of body' firm, but I think that only happens in the movies. At the same time if anyone can really control their astral motions, I don't think they would publicize it or talk about it. They would be called kooks.

Tick

Hi Clough, I've had a few OOBE's.

A couple that I remember really strongly - one was when I was young and lying in bed and I was sort of daydreaming and all of a sudden I was on the ceiling looking down at myself - it really gave me a fright!

Another was when I had a car accident a couple of years ago and at the moment of impact, I was outside of the car looking at what was happening.

Occasionally during meditation I've had the sense that it could easily happen, voluntarily, if I allowed it. But I've always been too concerned that I might not be able to get back!

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Hi Clough, I've had a few OOBE's.

A couple that I remember really strongly - one was when I was young and lying in bed and I was sort of daydreaming and all of a sudden I was on the ceiling looking down at myself - it really gave me a fright!

Another was when I had a car accident a couple of years ago and at the moment of impact, I was outside of the car looking at what was happening.

Occasionally during meditation I've had the sense that it could easily happen, voluntarily, if I allowed it. But I've always been too concerned that I might not be able to get back!

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Hi, Gemini54!

What was it like when you knew that you were outside of the car watching what was happening, please?

Like, were you afraid, calm, confused, etc.

Thanks!

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Hi Clough, sorry your question went unanswered. It isnt so far out there.

I may have had OOBEs a couple of times over the years, but its hard to tell if they are just suggestions or real. I have read a lot about them, read personal experiences of people on operating tables looking down on their body, looking back at 'the light' and wondering whether to go to it or not. Well, we all know what 'the light' is, and its a beautiful thought.

Mystics say that if an out of body experience is done intentionally, all openings to the body must be plugged (that means ALL) in case an unknown entity enters while the soul is gone. The soul can't return to its body after this happens, because basically it is inhabited.

Yes, it is supposed to be our soul that travels, supposedly during these episodes, a soul can travel a great distance and view many things, or just hang around a ceiling.

tick

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If an unknown entity were to enter through one of the orifices of our body, does that mean that our soul, when leaving, exits through one of them.

I'm just throwing the thought out there...

Thanks!

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If an unknown entity were to enter through one of the orifices of our body, does that mean that our soul, when leaving, exits through one of them.

I'm just throwing the thought out there...

Thanks!

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That's kind of hard to answer, Clough. Our souls are supposed to be ethereal, if so, then they can drift out of any part of our body. Because our 'shell' per se, is protected and the only entry is an opening, that is the only way something else can get in.

I hope that makes sense, but done take my word for it, but it is a good explanation for your question.

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Hi, Gemini54!

What was it like when you knew that you were outside of the car watching what was happening, please?

Like, were you afraid, calm, confused, etc.

Thanks!

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I was actually calm, ditto with watching myself from the ceiling - a sense of detachment and peace. No fear, and no worry that I wouldn't get back into my body, although when I was a child, it did give me a fright before fascination took over.

Clough, Google Dr. Sam Parnia, he's doing research and experiments on OOBE's.

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Hi, Gemini54!

What was it like when you knew that you were outside of the car watching what was happening, please?

Like, were you afraid, calm, confused, etc.

Thanks!

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I was actually calm, ditto with watching myself from the ceiling - a sense of detachment and peace. No fear, and no worry that I wouldn't get back into my body, although when I was a child, it did give me a fright before fascination took over.

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Did you have any sense of time while this was happening? Also, was there confirmation from others that what you had witnessed was true?

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Clough, Google Dr. Sam Parnia, he's doing research and experiments on OOBE's.

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I will!

Thanks!

Clough - I had an out of the body experience following a terrible accident I had when I was 25 with me on a bicycle and a taxi cab (I lost by the way). I had the whole classic experience of going into the darkest tunnel and at the end of this tunnel were a lot of my deceased ancestors and Jesus (of all people). I was told by them that I would suffer a great deal of pain but that I had to go back and finish my life on earth as I had a lot left to do that I had not yet accomplished and was important that I do before going to another lifetime.

I had been reading a lot of occult books and understood just where I was and I told everyone that I had no intention of going back as the body (as I referred to my own body) had been horribly injured and I didn't want to endure years of pain and suffering. They told me that no, I could not stay there with them but must return. I resisted and they grabbed my "arms" and propelled me forward down an incredibly dark tunnel.

I awoke on the floor of the hospital with a nurse yanking my left arm screaming at me. I knew I had my eyes open but I could not see anything for several minutes. I could barely hear her yelling at me at first - then her voice became louder and louder. Then when I was taken into the examination room and had my forehead sewn up (12 stitches) I was on the ceiling looking down at the scene. I was crying and the doctor stopped and asked me if he was hurting me. No, I said he wasn't. I was crying as I was mad at not being able to stay "there" and had to return to the living. Boy was I ever mad at that!

This is just a short synopsis of what happened to me over there. A lot of other things happened and I was told several things that proved to come true by those entities. This happened 38 years ago to me this summer and I can remember every minute detail of this experience as if it was yesterday.

Just being on the ceiling looking down at your body is not out of the body experiences - it is astral traveling. I've done that many, many times willingly myself before I had the biggie of actually going through the "tunnel" of light and darkness.

Astral traveling is actually great fun to do and the more you practice it the easier it gets. I can actually travel anywhere I wish to if I concentrate on my intended destination. Sometimes I have astral traveled to the past and was "there" when certain ocurrances happened to my husband. I could relay minute details to him of that particular "astral travel" experience that he had not even thought about in years!

Astral traveling is a skill that can be learned by anyone with enough patience and practice.

Clough you can ask me any question about what it was like "over there" and I'll try to answer you.

Wow! What an awecome and incredible story, twinkie!

First question from me for you is, it doesn't sound like you were at peace when you were "over there"?

Were you at peace at all?

Oh Clough it was the most wonderful experience ever! I was more than at peace. I was very happy and content. That is probably the main reason that I was rather pissed when I was sent back as I knew exactly where I was and was very happy to be "home". I was so angry that "them" for sending me back as I longed to stay there where there is true peace.

Many people remark about wanting to go "home". My mom did.

I'm glad that it was a wonderful experience for you!

True peace? What was that like, please?

Thanks!

True peace, clough, you don't have to experience it by having an out of body experience. You experience it by waking up in the morning, especially this time of year, with the bird song outside your window, knowing you can start digging in your garden, clearing the leaves from the crocus and tulip beds. ANTICIPATION is my true peace for the spring and summer seasons. And also knowing my son is going to be here sharing a coffee and the newspaper with me first thing on a Saturday morning.

We all have our 'true peace' moments, all different. Some of them are all in my heart this time of year..

You probably have some, just dig deep

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true peace, clough, you dont have to experience it by having an out of body experience. You experience it by waking up in the morning, especially this time of year, with the bird song outside your window, knowing you can start digging in your garden, clearing the leaves from the crocus and tulip beds. ANTICIPATION is my true peace for the spring and summer seasons. And also knowing my son is going to be here sharing a coffee and the newspaper with me first thing on a Saturday morning.

We all have our 'true peace' moments, all different. Some of them are all in my heart this time of year..

You probably have some, just dig deep

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Points well taken and understood, tickle! Not a very peaceful time for me right now. That could be the subject of another thread...

What does that acronym stand for in your avatar, please? :confused: ;)

When I was "there" I essentially had no body as we do "here". The closest I can describe my body over there would be for you to close your eyes and look down. You see your "essence". The people I did see were basically lumunous wearing white robes down to the ground. People did not speak by moving their lips but did it telepatically.

The word peace does not really describe the feeling. Tick really has no idea exactly what I experienced so she is guessing. The complete utter peace of soul and body is what I experienced. It was a oneness with the universe knowing that I was there, protected from any evil, protected in my spirit, protected and loved. The LOVE is basically what I felt when I was there coupled with peace. It's hard to explain in "our" words as it is a very deep emotional feeling that I experienced. Here we are "bothered" by stress even though we are not consciously aware of it. We are bothered by needless thoughts that were not present over there as there basically was no "time" as we know it here. There was no bills to pay, no food to eat or prepare, no clothes to buy or worry about washing, etc, no worrying about fear or being in ill health.

The closest I've ever come to anyone really describing what it was like for me was when I read some of Sylvia Browne's books about heaven and the many different planes there are. She got a lot of it right and then I think she just made up the rest as this is not what I experienced.

I know I was over there a long time but in my earth time I was probably gone about 20 minutes.

My personality changed when I came back. Prior to this experience I was very impatient with everyone and everything. When I came back I had to learn my lesson and now I'm more than patient in everything I do every day. I also look at this world a bit differently as well knowing just what awaits me. I am not afraid of dying as I know that I will be lovingly met and hopefully not sent back this time to finish anything. It took me many years to figure out just why I was sent back though. I think I've accomplished about 80% of what I was supposed to do in these past 38 years.

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true peace, clough, you dont have to experience it by having an out of body experience. You experience it by waking up in the morning, especially this time of year, with the bird song outside your window, knowing you can start digging in your garden, clearing the leaves from the crocus and tulip beds. ANTICIPATION is my true peace for the spring and summer seasons. And also knowing my son is going to be here sharing a coffee and the newspaper with me first thing on a Saturday morning.

We all have our 'true peace' moments, all different. Some of them are all in my heart this time of year..

You probably have some, just dig deep

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Tick - what you say is true peace is just your idea of personal happiness. This is quite different from the true peace and love I was talking about. I respect your "idea" but having been there is quite different than being here.

I was essentially not in my body for at least 20 minutes or so and the hospital staff thought they had lost me completely. From my head injuries alone I should have died but didn't.

I believe in the right circumstances out of body experiences are defiantly possible. That it is our essence or soul that travels outside of our body. Whether it be somebody in a stressful situation, or dying or even somebody that is so relaxed and meditating, also dreams open up the world of possibilities.

I actually had a dream that I was visiting relatives I have not seen ever. That I was at there place and while I was there I left my body in that dream, then I woke up. The experience was neat. So I dreamed in a dream that I was having an out of body experience where I could describe their place and my surroundings.

Many people believe that your spirit, or soul leaves all the time. When your body is a sleep that your soul travels. So that is a possibility as well.

Out of body experiences in my own opinion is similar to near death experiences in a way that you recognize that your traveling outside your body. The difference with out of body experiences is that these can happen at anytime without the person having to die.

So very good question and I am defiantly a believer in soul travel/ out of body experiences.

So, would you say that you've had an out of body experience, Jesushelper76?

Thanks!

I honestly think that was a unique experience and I have had other kinds of experiences as well. Would defiantly say that I did experience an out of body experience.

What Jesushelper was talking about is astral traveling not out of the body experiences or near death experiences. I used to do astral traveling all the time. To consciously be elsewhere and look into places, etc.

Out of the body or near death experiences are similar but VERY different in that you are not here on earth just looking into your aunt's home, etc. but are "there" with celestial (for want of a better word) beings.

Clough - I've been thinking about this topic since I read the thread the other day. What I've come to surmise is this. It's like trying to describe the color blue to a person who has been blind since birth. You can talk all you want, describe all you want but the blind person is going to perceive the color blue in their own interpretation.

Peace is something that is not permanent here on earth. To feel peace or be peaceful here on earth is a basically fleeting feeling. The peace that I felt over there was a true oneness with the Universe. Again, it's like trying to describe the color blue if you get my meaning. Since I came back I have never had the same feeling of peace here on earth in my body. It is an impossbility to continuously feel peace in this dimension. Sure you can have peace of mind here but that is not a permanent condition or situation.

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I honestly think that was a unique experience and I have had other kinds of experiences as well. Would defiantly say that I did experience an out of body experience.

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When I was a child in elementary school, I used to feel as though the essence of me was being projected somewhere.

I looked on my bookshelf at home and found a very interesting book you may wish to read regarding this topic. The book is from 1992 but well documented and written by an M.D.

"Transformed by the Light" by Melvin Morse, M.D. with Paul Perry

He also wrote "Closer to the Light Learning from the Near Neath Experience of Children"

Only read the transformed by the Light book though.

Also Sylvia Browne had written about her near death experience when she was operated on in the hospital. She too was angry that she was sent back and was mad at the nurse friend of hers who was in the OR with her and gently called to her when she was "gone". Sylvia said she didn't speak to her friend for a year as she was so angry at having to come back! I've read a lot of Sylvia Browne and listened to her audio books but I've forgotten exactly where her NDE was in her material. She had a lot of the same experiences I did when I was there as well.

Once you've gone through or are in a near death experience, how do you know that it's really okay to leave this world?

I mean, what about the heaven and hell thing?

Probably going to be some philosophy going on here...

Clough,

I believe that the spirit guides or angles that are with us. Guide and help us. If we are in a near death experience. I believe that we would be guided towards what we need. That if we are not to leave this world then we would come back, medical intervention has helped bring many people back.

Once we leave this world, I am sure that we feel a lot freer being out of this body.

The heaven and hell thing. Whether it is a good or bad experience usually the person who does come back is changed for the better.

We could get into a whole discussion here and there are so many different beliefs. Some might even suggest that the hell we experience is the hell we create for ourselves in our own mind.

Some would say that they believe life on earth, being on earth it self is hell.

That we self direct where we go. After death. That we can live eternally with our creator or far apart from our creator by our own choice. Which would be influenced by the emotions, fears and etc that we had here on earth.

Many years personally Clough, when I was younger had a deep fear of death. For the longest time now though, if I left this world today I would be fine with it, because I trust that God, my father would take care of me.

I would not want to leave this world now, because I have been blessed with a beautiful family and I want to live my life out to see all my children grow up and have children of their own and to live out my purpose in life in this world before moving on to the next.

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Once you've gone through or are in a near death experience, how do you know that it's really okay to leave this world?

I mean, what about the heaven and hell thing?

Probably going to be some philosophy going on here...

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How do you know it's really okay to leave this world? You are the one basically in control of your life before you even were born. You are given 5 different points where you can "exit" this life if you so choose to. I've had several exit points so far in my life and chose not to take them.

I was "sent back" to finish some things that I needed to either learn so I could progress up the spiritual ladder or do so that things in the future would be different due to my actions.

You are the one who decides ultimately to leave.

As far as heaven and hell thing... there really is no hell. Earth is a learning experience for the soul (or should be anyway). Some people keep returning as they did not learn their "life lesson" this time around and have to repeat whatever they needed to learn.

If you are an "old soul" you'll understand what I am staying. If you are a "new soil" never having lived many lives, you'll take a bit of thinking in order to grasp what I'm saying.

My son is reincarnated and so am I. We are both "old souls". Oddly I did not know him before this lifetime but in our past lives we were both military men during wartimes. We get along great and are best friends in this lifetime as mother and son.

I had a car accident back in 94 in which I almost died. I was in surgery for 17 hours and they had to resuscitate me 3 times. I am not sure I had an out of body experience but there are so many things I remember about my life that just seem like it happened yesterday. I have started to notice this now, fourteen years later from accident. I also could not remember the accident, but now I think I am starting to recall things. I don't know how this could be. I am also having a tough time with things. I am wondering if it could be post traumatic stress. But with all these events (before accident)that have happened in my life,. its unreal with the detail I can remember them. Even things when I was really young.(2 or 3 years old)

Hi, saskman!

Do you have anyone who can confirm the detail with which you can remember things from long ago, please?

Thanks!

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I had a car accident back in 94 in which I almost died. I was in surgery for 17 hours and they had to resuscitate me 3 times. I am not sure I had an out of body experience but there are so many things I remember about my life that just seem like it happened yesterday. I have started to notice this now, fourteen years later from accident. I also could not remember the accident, but now I think I am starting to recall things. I don't know how this could be. I am also having a tough time with things. I am wondering if it could be post traumatic stress. But with all these events (before accident)that have happened in my life,....its unreal with the detail I can remember them. Even things when I was really young.(2 or 3 years old)

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Sometimes when you have an experience like you've related your "time" gets all messed up. My "time" clock has been messed up for years. I had PTSD from another accident back in 1986. My time has speeded up somewhat and I am really surprised that it's 2010 as I'm still back in the 1990's in my "time". It's almost like I'm "coasting" through time now. Hard to explain exactly the feeling. The years are literally flying by now for me. I don't think it's traumatic stress you are experiencing. It's probably more like seeing the world as it really is. I have to keep telling myself that time is like a river where you put your hand into the water at times and then take your hand out of the water and let the river of time keep on.