Ask Me Help Desk - Investigation of shadow people phenomenon

There have been a number of questions posted about the shadow people phenomenon. Have any of you tried to find or contact the shadow people? I am wondering if anyone here has investigated this phenomenon themselves, or knows someone who has?

I have started looking into this for the last month or so. If there is anyone who would like to team up so we can investigate this together, drop me a line. I'd ideally like to work with other people with shamanic or psychic training and abilities, although different perspectives, such as the more skeptical/ghosthunter approach, are welcome, too.

So far, my investigation through shamanic journeywork and dreamwork supports the idea that they are alien, from another realm or dimension. They seem to be exploring, learning about earth, learning about us. What they plan to do once they feel their knowledge is complete remains to be seen. I've been finding them in the upper worlds, but not very high up. The level is close, just a little way above the midworlds. They move fast, too fast to see or follow easily. I have to up my resonance frequency (not sure how else to describe it), then I can see them and track them.

My hunch is that this phenomenon is related to the fact that we are coming up on a cusp time, a time of great transformation in our world. It seems to be thinning the veil between our world and theirs. But whether they will be a help to us or a problem, I don't know. Anyone curious? There are a lot of ways to do good in the world. This method is a little unusual, I admit, but it may yet prove worthwhile.

That is a very good theory. I like that.

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Originally Posted by sandyspacecase

That is a very good theory. I like that.

So, want to join the Justice League, then? And defend our world against invading aliens? ;) Anyone who is a "space case" has the credentials in my book!

Thanks, I'd love to but it is a little far away for me to drive.I live in Southern California. The reason for the name "Space Case" is on account of being chosen to have been allowed to see one of those beautiful ,yet scary Flying Saucers with my own eyes. Matter of fact, two of my sisters and my brother were also allowed to witness it. Pretty scary at the time,but I sure wish I could see it again. Unbelievable! Also our Dad was the first origonal designers of the Columbia Space Shuttle.He then went on to present the design for the plane of the future, known as the Stealth. He loved the shape of the Flying Wing,and that is how the shape of the Stealth came to be.All of that plus being finely in tuned with the spirit world could only mean one thing, "Space Case"!

[QUOTE=sandyspacecase]Thanks, I'd love to but it is a little far away for me to drive.QUOTE]

Actually I was envisioning working with people around the country/world. While someday it would be nice for us to have a hidden base filled with supercomputers and our special supersonic jet (perhaps designed by your family), we can start just getting together by e-mail (or astrally, if we prefer). All tongue-in-cheek allusions to the works of Stan Lee aside, we live in interesting times, and if enough people who are "finely tuned to the spirit world" got together, we might be able to make a difference. The shadow people are only one topic we could collectively address.

Whatcha think?

I could do that. Yes, I have seen shadow people in my house. I usually get mad at them for peeking around corners at me. They are very sneeky but I know they are there,and they know I know. There is at least a couple of them ,maybe three that I catch peeping at me . They make me mad and I tell them to stuff it.

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Originally Posted by Alder

So far, my investigation through shamanic journeywork and dreamwork supports the idea that they are alien, from another realm or dimension. They seem to be exploring, learning about earth, learning about us. What they plan to do once they feel their knowledge is complete remains to be seen. I've been finding them in the upper worlds, but not very high up. The level is close, just a little way above the midworlds. They move fast, too fast to see or follow easily. I have to up my resonance frequency (not sure how else to describe it), then I can see them and track them.

My hunch is that this phenomenon is related to the fact that we are coming up on a cusp time, a time of great transformation in our world. It seems to be thinning the veil between our world and theirs. But whether they will be a help to us or a problem, I don't know. Anyone curious? There are a lot of ways to do good in the world. This method is a little unusual, I admit, but it may yet prove worthwhile.

Any chance you could send/show me how you came to your hunches i.e your work and its results, and how you came to think they are alien or even that there are shadow people? Also what do you mean by upper and mid worlds? Thanks

I would like to join my husband thinks "ive lost my mind" but he doesn't realize all the abnormal things that have happened to me throughout my life.

I was wondering if any of you have actually seen a flying saucer? And Alder,how did you ever come to that idea ? Things like that ,Shadow People were never seen by me before seeing that Saucer or space car. Lostandlonely ,what have you been through that might seen abnomal? I like Alders idea of another demention,and it very well could be true.

Things moving, seeing and hearing things, pulling people into my dreams and they wake up with the same dream. And some more

Cool! Well Alder, when am I going to hear more about your Idea?

Sorry to have been incommunicado for a while guys. My father had surgery and I've been helping take care of him. Kind of a more than full time job. Anyway, he's improving, and I'm getting back to my regular life a bit, which is nice.

Thanks to all of you who have checked in. I'll be happy to share the experiences I've had with the shadow people so far. The last one was much as you describe, Sandy. One of them followed me home (can I keep him, ma?). It was moving fast around my bedroom like a bat, or the shadow of a bat, on the walls and ceiling. I didn't exactly get mad at it, but I took hold of my spirit staff and kind of stared it down.

Lostandlonely--interesting gift of dreamwalking. Particularly that you don't see yourself as walking into their dreams, but of pulling them into yours. I am a Dreamer, too.

Alder,
Glad Pop is doing well. Gee guy's, you talk about dreams, mine are so vivid
I start sleepwalking big time! I even walked a representitive around our pool while he was giving me an estamite on putting in new tiles! Thought I was dreaming,but oh my god, I actually did that . Oh course I didn't find out until I phoned him to ask why he hadn't shown up for our appointment. He thought I was crazy that I didn't remember one single thing about it. Another time, While at work, I witnessed a thief stealing from my tool department. I just can't let a thief steal from me ,so I went in hot pursuit and started chasing him. I started running as fast as I could as he was gaining distance from me. Just as I picked up speed, I hit the living room wall ! What a wake up! I split my head wide open but waited until the next morning to get stiches. It took eighteen to sew me back together again. Sleepwalking only started after I was allowed to see one of their saucers. Their Flying Transport Units that is. I always wondered if that had something to do about it. Other times,things I dream about come true. It is like somebody with inside information tells me about it before hand. Some of these things aren't very pleasant and wished I couldn't know about them. Then there is stupid stuff ,like being able to tell what my sister is holding in her hands while on the phone . She lives three hundred and fifty miles away. She seems kind of supprized when what I tell her is exactly what she has . As for all those people running around in my house, they are playing tricks on me . They take stuff that I just set down,then when I go to pick it up again, it is gone. (Oooh!) After searching for what I had,There it will be in plain sight again. They love to run around just so I can see them out of the corner of my eyes,then are gone when I look. I do have a bad boy though, and he loves the ouija board I made. He also loves to spell dirty ,nasty words. I don't like that guy very much. I do have a photograph of two very evil things that I caught on my phones camera. If I could figure out how to add it on,I would. Those things are evil,as one has the head of a horse with wings,the other has horns on it's head. They are standing on top of a brick or block wall overlooking a graveyard. Wished you could tell me what you think of the picture.

I've had occasional sleepwalking and hypnagogic type stuff happening to me since I was little. Maybe "narcoleptic" is just another word for "shaman in training"? ;)

I've been dreaming true, i.e. dreaming things and then they happened in the waking world, since I was a child, too. I'll see if I can get a chance today to post what I've experienced checking out the shadow folks (and having them check out me) so far. My most recent incident, when one came into my house, happened in a hypnagogic state.

One of the questions I wanted to develop in this discussion is whether we want to continue to use this forum. Maybe an e-mail group or something would work better. It would be nice to be able to upload photos and things. Also there's the question of how public we want this container to be. It has occurred to me that maybe the shadow dudes know how to surf the web (or have human allies who do).

Thanks to all three of you who checked in. Pleasure to meet you!

Lost, I do want to hear more about your dreaming ability. Have you done anything along the lines of training or honing that natural talent? Hope your husband can be understanding about it all. I'm blessed with a spouse who is quite openminded about my crazy life.

Albear, to answer your question, when people do shamanic journeying or spirit traveling, no matter where they are or in what cultural tradition, they have remarkably similar experiences (which lends credence to the idea that where they are going is a real place). The usual place to go to in a journey is the lower worlds, worlds you get to by going down into a hole or cave or hollow tree or wishing well or whatever. Then there are the worlds here, the mid-worlds, and the upper worlds that you access by flying up into the air. Looking at the brochures and what-not of various shamanic teachers, it seems that most consider upper world journeying to be a bit more advanced. They usually teach it later in the program. I agree with that (I have seen beginners get airsick on their first upperworld journeys). So, anyway, when I said "I found them in the upper worlds, but a low-upper level," I was kind of talking jargon. The problem with doing this kind of spiritual work is that modern American English just doesn't have very good terms for a lot of this. I find that my friends and I spend a lot of time asking each other, What do you mean by that?

Sandy--that spirit that spells swears on your ouija board is a stitch! Maybe it wants to try out for the part of Peeves in the next Harry Potter movie...

Ok, here's what I've been up to so far with regard to the shadow people. I started hearing about them on this site and elsewhere, and became curious. A lot of people seem to say they sense these things are different than human ghosts, and my hunch was that's so. Just a hunch, but sometimes that small inner voice is worth listening to.

So I decided to investigate, but then just sat back for a few weeks to let the Universe show me where to start. I've hinted to some of the people who have written in to this site about shadow people that I'd like to visit them (in the flesh or otherwise) and check it out, but so far no one's taken me up on the offer.

So after I had sat with this intention for a couple of weeks, I had a dream one night.

The dream focused on plumbing, pipes, septic tanks, real "Dirty Jobs" kind of stuff. I think the symbolism there is that I was shifting my consciousness to a very primal or "underground" level, getting into the infrastructure of reality. But then there were these swarms of black dots, about the size and shape of medicine capsules but black, all flying through the air like a school of fish swimming. At one point they were going into or coming out of a broken pipe.

I had the sense that these were shadow people, or something like the shadow people's germs, or maybe mitochondria. I tried to contact them, touch them, help them somehow, and they turned gold. Or rather they were still black, but with a gold shinyness.

In the dream I had a strong sense that these were good things, that it would be very bad if they got lost or disappeared. When I woke up, I felt very energized by having been in contact with them.

About a week after this dream, it felt like the time was right to do some journeywork on this, so I set up sacred space around me, called on my power animals and various spirit guides, told them the intention of the journey, and began drumming to enter shamanic trance.

I recall I had some discussion with my power animals about safety, about how "hidden" to be in doing this. Essentially, I wanted to observe, but not interact with the shadow beings in this first journey. (this is typical--my power animals often spend some time at the beginning of a journey helping me get clear on exactly what the intention is).

So I went to a Nexus that accesses many different worlds and spoke to the guardian of the place, telling him I wanted to go to where the shadow people are. He directed me upwards, but not an extremely high level. I sensed the shadow people (SP's) were going by, but they were rushing past at tremendous speed, blowing me away as they zipped by. Every time I tried to see them, get close, the force of their passing kind of knocked me away, discombobulated me, so I was losing intention, almost falling out of the trance entirely. I checked in with my power animals and they had me focus on them instead of the shadow people as the shadow people went by. They encouraged me to hold tight to my alder staff, and just get back to the basics of shamanic journeywork: focus, attention, intention, trust.

I try again, but I still get knocked aside as they blow by. I ask the power animals why the SP's are in such a hurry. My power animals connect with me and help me get "revved up." My metabolism, synapses, vibration are pushed up above normal human level, not quite to the SP's level, so I won't fully materialize to the SP's (my animals thought that would be good for two reasons--first, it's hard on a human to get going that fast, and second, then the SP's wouldn't notice me as much; to them I'd be like a shadow or a ghost).

So the SP's flew by and instead of being blown away, I “drifted” in their wake, sucked along behind. We came suddenly into a dining room/kitchen of an ordinary house or apartment. At first I thought maybe it was my own house, but then I saw there was a "bar" style kitchen counter between the living room and kitchen. It looked like a typical modern apartment, one or two bedroom. There were 4 or 5 shadow people there, exploring. The human owner of the apartment seemed to be out, perhaps asleep back in the bedroom? The shadow people were looking in the cupboards, the cookie jar, checking out the sofa and the computer desk. I was trying to get a sense whether they were just curious or looking for something in particular.

One of them came toward me. It was wearing a cloak or something, with crinkly folds of dark material that covered its whole body. I very gently sent a small flicker of energy toward it. The energy touched the lower part of its cloak (knee level) and that part got silvery shiny for a moment. I thought perhaps that more energy would make it gold, like the shadow people pills in my dream, but I didn't want to engage it that directly. I checked with my power animals, and they were also hesitant about trying to make contact.

So then I came back to myself, doing the usual things one does like making sure I retraced my steps getting back. I thought a little about doing something tricky to cover my tracks or create a boundary to keep them from following me back to my house, but I didn't. I should warn you guys, that's typical behavior for me. I hate to say reckless... My friend/mentor Lang calls me a "curiosity killed the cat kind of guy." I figured I would just see whether they were able to detect that I had been spying on them, and see whether they would follow me home.

So nothing happened for about a week or two, but then last week, just before going to Portland for my dad's surgery, I woke up one night but was still in a dream state (I'm sure you know what that's like). I saw something flickering around the ceiling and walls of the bedroom. It was a little dark clot of shadow, but had a spot of light to it, like a raccoon's eye. My first thought was it was a bat, a waking world live bat that had gotten in the house. So I jumped out of bed and turned on the lamp, and didn't see it there on the wall, but I could see it there on the dream level, so I realized it wasn't a waking world creature.

I summoned my staff to my hand and just sort of stood there and watched it, not threatening it or driving it away, but giving it a kind of steely-eyed Clint Eastwood look that said, only things that have good intention are welcome in my house and around my family, got it? As I became more centered, less startled, it slipped away into the dark.

So what I feel from them is that they are alien, they aren't from around here. They seem to not like bright electric light very much. Human willpower, if focused, seems to be stronger than they are, although I don't know anyone who has really gone head to head with them to find out. It may be possible to try to make contact with them, exchange information, maybe exchange some kind of goodwill gifts. I have the definite hunch that while these things have been around for a long time, they are becoming more active as our world becomes less stable.

So that's my input to date. At this point, here are my questions:

1. What do we do next?

2. Who is "we" in that first question? Do we keep this as a loose association where anyone who wants to can drop by and give some input, and then go their merry way? Or do we form a more defined group of the people who are willing to be part of the project? Related to that is the question I mentioned in my last post: How visible/public do we want to be?

3. Are we re-inventing the wheel? I don't want to start from scratch if there is already someone out there doing this. We could build on their work, share info, maybe even team up with them if they are friendly. Does anyone have some free time to explore around on the internet and see if you can find anyone besides us who is looking into the shadow people phenomenon?

Hope to hear from y'all soon!

Alder

Hi Alder,

It seems to me you have gone very far in your journey and have come up with a lot of great assumptions and educated theories. During your meditation and travel have you meditated with Moldivate as suggested previously? Also you wear Moldivate in combination with Fluorite (Magnifier) that you can attract energy to discover the answers to your questions. I know we talked about this before you made your post and I still maintain what I said about them. Since I have relatively horrible experiences with them Alder for some reason they want to attack me? I pose a threat…I have never met a friendly one…maybe it's me or my energy or maybe I was born on a different star planet some time in my past life? I have interacted with them most of my life; they where the cause of my night tremors. So I don't relate to the peak-a-boo experiences or what are you doing here? Snooping through my things? Notice how two weeks after your initial shamanic journey it came to your home and you said “only positive influences are allowed in my home and around my family can stay” and it went away.

To me, I still draw the conclusion that they are searching for something on this earth and in having said that we can't deny that our history goes back millenniums. So what are they looking for? Something lost in time here on earth? Or in depths of the ocean? Honestly, Alder, I think it is more then what we can conceive... could they be waging or preparing for war? The war in heaven, the first battle, the war on earth, the second battle…then finally a New Heaven and New Earth! Or does anyone believe in that anymore? I am so sure people will think I am crazy and that's ok…we all have a right to believe or take the human logical (scientifically speaking) approach (there is always an explanation for something phenomenal). Maybe some think we just have an overactive imagination? I just stick to the concept that we should all agree to disagree.

I can join you through meditation state, you seem a lot more advanced then me and maybe can play as a guide while I attract and interact with them and if anything should go out of our control…you can pull me out.

1. I think we should launch a site (since internet is one of the most powerful medias)…you live too far away for me or I would say lets start up or own Paranormal State (I love that show). Anyhow, it can start up small then build it into some sort of association for all those in the field (with benefits and incentives. Here we can launch information regarding all phenomena including discoveries/findings, cases, client feedback, help line for clients, footnotes, references and Para-professionals (we are talking about something that will include investment).

2. We, are anyone who wants to join, oh and I just answered this through my first answer with regards to association. Basically, to keep some sort of a commitment we could register it as a legitimate company and have a Board of Members…once this launches and the test site has proven to be successful of course.
3. I just goggled it and there are associations…but not the type of association I have in mind. Each one is different/unique and some sites are undeveloped. I think you have a lot to offer to the table…more then some intrigued and/or inexperienced investigator.

Question to you is how serious and how much time are you willing to dedicate to this?

I thought I was the only one who saw shadow people... I have only seen them outside though.
I don't know how I would go about investigating them.

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I thought I was the only one who saw shadow people...I have only seen them outside though.
I don't know how I would go about investigating them.

Welcome, Spyderglass! As you can see, we're just in the process of getting organized, here. But we'd love to hear about your experiences, and help if you feel you need help. Can you tell us about your encounters, either on this thread or in a private message to me or April (hope you don't mind me volunteering you, April), if you prefer to not be so public?

My son sees shadow people as well as I. Sometimes it's a black shadowy cat and other times it the man in the hat. Ive been followed as a child by a "man" who could open a locked door with no key and stand there staring at me as a kid. It happened 5 times one summer and as a far as 13 hrs from the first occurrence. Then the dreams of being bit by a vampire and waking up with permant fang marks on my chest where in my dream it bite me. I was around 8 at the time and still have them at 25 in the same place. I remember one dream where I was wearing a pink sweater and blue jeans in the middle of the summer and then everything was set on fire people were running and screaming then a red demon with black horns and fire for eyes appeared and said "first ill get them and then im coming for you" Then there is being attacked in my dreams and waking up with marks on my body where I was attacked. It got to the point where I started pulling people into my dream for comfort. I would scream there name over and over and say come to me or help me then a white wall would appear and a white door. I would open the door and there would be the person I called for, I have watched myself die several times where it is me, then when I'm about to die I switch to third person.

I have died as a child and my spirit animal which is a white cat/tiger was sitting on my chest holing my soul in my body. I remember it very clearly. I spiked a sudden fever on one of my many trips home from seeing my father and had to be left at my grandparents because my parents feared that I wouldn't survive the trip home. I "woke up" couldn't move could hear everything around me. Everything was white and the curtins where blowing like the window was open but it wasn't. Looked outside and everything had a golden tint to it, Saw something jumping through the window. Looked down and cats were jumping through the window and one cat I landed on my chest. The whited most beautiful cat I have ever seen with sapphire eyes landed on my chest. I could feel the weight of him in my chest. I tried to scream but I couldn't and was comforted with it being there.

When my grandmother died, my dad and I both had an angel speak to us mine said "hush child dont cry your grandmother is going to be ok" and his said "your dad needs you now" It was at 2:13 am. When I woke up that morning my uncle told me my grandmother had passed at 2:13am and I said I know. He looked at me weird.

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Welcome, Spyderglass! As you can see, we're just in the process of getting organized, here. But we'd love to hear about your experiences, and help if you feel you need help. Can you tell us about your encounters, either on this thread or in a private message to me or April (hope you don't mind me volunteering you, April), if you prefer to not be so public?

Nope... not at all.

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I thought I was the only one who saw shadow people...I have only seen them outside though.
I don't know how I would go about investigating them.

No, a lot of people report this, but the interesting thing is how everyone's experience is so unique. Everyone who has encountered them (or can have an open mind) can offer some unusual information to contribute to the entire concept. A lot of people report them outside so what you are saying is completely valid and many people also report them flying from trees to buildings. I would like to hear about more of your stories... if you will? Since I have had nothing but potentially threatening experiences it does not mean they are demonic or anything alike... it could be a useful tool in research. I think you should journal it... more detail is recalled if you write it down and sometimes you can get a little extra help from your guides with additional pointers and ideas. When you do encounter them, observe them and watch how you feel... what is processing through your mind. I think that might be a good start.

Alder, Hello. I'm new to this site. I found it while looking for people investigating shadow people. I believe I know a bit about them and have wanted very badly to do a serious investigation of them but lack funds or mobility to do so. I do notice that there are a lot of versions of shadow people that I have never heard of or encounterd such as demonic or men in top hats etc. I only am interested in the short speedy little guys. There are breed types of them and I do believe them to be other-dimensional and terrified of humans as well as blinded by light. Unlike others on this site and yourself I know nothing of shamanism or new age beliefs. I guess I'm rather down to earth but have had so many run-ins with these little fellas that it's become a bit of an obsession to learn more. I have recorded them running around on my wood floors but alas I don't believe they are capable of speech. I also don't believe they have any ulterior motives what so ever in moving into homes. They just pick a house and stay in the dark corners until seen then panic and move somewhere else. I think they are simple creatures more like playful nervous puppies then plotting and planning creatures. The larger ones (3 1/2 feet) prefer to stay as far from humans as possible and choose abandoned warehouses, prisons, hospitals or homes for the darkness. Maybe you have all moved to a new site to talk but if not I would enjoy some discussion on them.

Alder, sent you a PM, you too April.
Hey Alder could you forward that message to
April? I told her it would be cool- It all relates
To these shadow people.

Spyderglass, I think you were telling me that Alder sent me a private message. I hate to admit it but I am techno challenged and have no clue how to find it! I have clicked on everything I can think of but cannot locate any message. How about a clue for a computer dummy.

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My hunch is that this phenomenon is related to the fact that we are coming up on a cusp time, a time of great transformation in our world. It seems to be thinning the veil between our world and theirs. But whether they will be a help to us or a problem, I don't know. Anyone curious? There are a lot of ways to do good in the world. This method is a little unusual, I admit, but it may yet prove worthwhile.

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I've recently started doing Vipassana Meditation, after which I usually fall into some kind of "state" and leave the medtitaion, a kind of deep place where I get information, sometimes a word is literally spray-painted before me, with a resulting connection to my life, like an answer.

This time, an unusual thing happened, during meditation. And I saw a Shadow person, all in black, a tall man, without a hat. (I also had an image of a female hand with painted black nail polish)
The message I heard was: "We are here to help you"
And "We are part of your destiny"

It spooked me a bit because I heard it distictly, and thought what is this?
It's black and shadowy, so it must be negative, but my feeling was that it wasn't negative.

I searched the net and found the concept of "Shadow People" which somehow fits, but I saw and heard him in meditation, unlike all the internet info where people see them in everday "reality" of at night.

Anyone have any insight, any info I'd appreciate your views.

Thanks

No Mokrie, sent a message to April Wine and Alder. All of the shadow people that I have seen were tall and slender, but if they are shadows couldn't they change shape? Are they lost shadows looking for the humans they were attached to? (Humans that passed away). Could they have adapted their own awareness from being in contact with humans?

Dogstar, I don't think you saw shadow people. Maybe your guides were introducing themselves?

I've recently started doing Vipassana Meditation, after which I usually fall into some kind of "state" and leave the medtitaion, a kind of deep place where I get information, sometimes a word is literally spray-painted before me, with a resulting connection to my life, like an answer.

This time, an unusual thing happened, during meditation. And I saw a Shadow person, all in black, a tall man, without a hat. (I also had an image of a female hand with painted black nail polish)
The message I heard was: "We are here to help you"
And "We are part of your destiny"

It spooked me a bit because I heard it distictly, and thought what is this?
It's black and shadowy, so it must be negative, but my feeling was that it wasn't negative.

I searched the net and found the concept of "Shadow People" which somehow fits, but I saw and heard him in meditation, unlike all the internet info where people see them in everday "reality" of at night.

Anyone have any insight, any info I'd appreciate your views.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

This one is quite hard to assess... I have been thinking about it and I don't think they are your "personal" guides... and I don't think they are shadow people. For some reason they where trying to connect to you and they have reasons for doing so. I don't believe it is negative because you inidcated you where comfortable so, what do they want? What destiny? Or fate? You indicated that you where trying different meditation techniques and is there anything you have been contimplating about for sometime? A dilema? Or is it hard to make decisions in some area of your personal life? Are you making any spiritual quests or discoveries? If I was you I would ground the meditation and go back. Since you get answers point blank... get the answers to the questions you are seeking.

I have been to that state too... it was wonderful... until I was met something similar to what you describe... black fog and like an angry sob it encircled me in my state. As you know sometimes its hard to get back... you can't just pull out of it, it's contolled. I prayed and got out of there to open my eyes and it went around the corners of the celiing and took all my white candles. I did not feel it was good... but was it truly bad or was it just me facing my own demons. Just something for you to consider and explore because the next time I went in I was grounded... essentually that means... safe and I confronted it. It was probably one of the most scarest thing I have faced because it changed and faces came out of it... I knew that even if they where my own demons... they really scared me and I don't want that influence in my life so I commanded it. I have felt better ever since.

Good grief! It's wonderful to have this much interest. Let's see if I can get caught up with everyone.

Spyderglass, yes, I got your message about some of your experiences. Thanks for that. Sent a reply just now. To everyone, if you want to share something with us, it is totally up to you whether it is something you want to post here for everyone to see, or whether you want to communicate with us privately.

Mokrie, you are the only person I know besides myself who has formed the clear personal intention of setting out to learn more about shadow people specifically. Very cool. And I'm delighted that you didn't approach it from a shamanic or psychic paradigm. The only way we can get perspective and insight about something is to look at it from different angles. If you want to go on working with us, we'd be glad to have you. Send me a private message and I'll let you know my e-mail and we can work from there. We're still in the process of forming the group, figuring out what it is and what it's for as an organization. The way you send me a private message is by moving the arrow over my name with your mouse and clicking it. This opens a little window with different options, including sending a private message.

Dogstar, thanks. Hard to say whether what you saw is the same sort of creature we are trying to investigate. It's not a tradition in which I have delved deeply, but my understanding is Vipissana meditation is meditation without seed, without even a mantra or image to focus on, just inner silence and stillness. Correct? Or am I way off base? It sounds like when you come out of that, you are in a very receptive state. "To hear, one must be silent." You get that silent, you could hear all sorts of things. Receptivity is good, but you might want to check out some of my recent posts on the subject of ouija boards. There's such a thing as being too receptive. If you do it without strong enough boundaries, it's like posting your credit card number on your website. You don't know who or what could take advantage of the access you are creating. The Eastern traditions you are following have ways of dealing with that. There's some specific references in the Tao Te Ching I like that apply. Since you seem to have tapped in to a natural talent of psychic or spiritual sensitivity, you may want to work on honing that, learning to set an intention before you meditate of what specific information you intend to get when you come out. But be careful with this. To quote Ecclesiastes, "With knowledge comes sadness, and with wisdom, much vexation." Honor the gift, and seek to know only what you need to know. Specifically, if you set the intention of wanting this person who appeared to you to come back, so that you can talk with him in more detail, you will want to have some way of taking what he says with a grain of salt. Not every being who claims to want to help you is totally on the level. Most are, but they still want to help you because it suits their agendas. In shamanism we have a saying, "Everything is a dream, and all dreams are real." We also have a saying, "Who dreams this dream?" When I'm told something by someone, even an apparently wise and powerful spirit, I retain the freedom to say, "That may be your dream for me and for the world, but I don't have to make it my own." No matter who tells you your destiny, you remain free to weave that destiny how you will. If you have a guru or teacher, check in with that person about how to relate to this being that "claims" it knows your destiny.

Lostandlonely, I know the wall of white mist you speak of. When I was a child I used to dream about a house, sort of like the F.L. Wright Waterfall House. On a lower level, one wall was a wall of white mist. I always sensed that if I went through it, I'd be in someone else's dream. But I was never able to--I'd just wake up. I haven't tried to go there since growing up and learning my art as a Dreamer. I suppose I could if I tried, but that would fall under the heading of another of my favorite sayings, "Power must follow knowledge and serve need." Before I intruded on someone else's dreams, or called them into mine, I would want to be sure who it was, and I would have to have a very good reason for it. I want to talk with you more personally about the other subjects you raise. I'll write to you privately. K?

Whew! I really am enjoying the askmehelpdesk community, and particularly this smaller community of people who have joined this thread. Welcome to you all. To anyone wanting to work with us (so far, "us", the people who have definitively said they want to work together in continuing the investigation, is April and I), let us know. We are still in the discussion of what our group is, how it should be called, who all is in it, how we will communicate with each other, and exactly what we should do next. Anyone who joins now can jump into that discussion. And feel free to share your questions and experiences here even if you aren't looking to join the investigation project. All are welcome!

I'll do what I can to help in the investigation

Alder, I am very serious about study and investigation of shadow people not to be confused with shadows of dead people. I clicked on your name and all that came up was view all of your posts and it said you have no contact information. I really hope to find a way to speak with you as I don't want to give out all information publicly.

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Originally Posted by askShardotcom

My msg wasn't very clear. But I have seen and am aware of the showdow people. I have had contact with them several times...You are right about them being here for the Transformation....or shift that is happening. THey are here on assignment and won't be here long as far as I have been told so far.
Shar

You've spoken with them! You're the first person I've met who has actually communicated. Can you tell us the whole story? How you encountered them, when and where and how they spoke to you? Not sure how to put this--is there a trick to it? Is there some ritual you use for getting in contact with them, or a trance or shift of state of mind that you use to be on the level where you can see and interact with them?

Thanks for writing, Shar! Look forward to hearing more.

I don't care what any one says any being with the ability to freeze a person as well as time its self is evil in my book. They hold a person down with some stragne thing every fear wells up inside the person. Then they speak in strange languages not heard by many humans. They are not good as some people theorize. Think I'm crazy I really don't care. Where do you think the grim reaper legend came from. Why else do you think normal people who see them only see them around the times of deaths of friends or family.

These creatures are popping up more and more in movies and peoples dreams. Movies such as "Ghosts" "THe deaths of ian stone" I've been looking into them for years and all I find is evil.

I've seen them many times, never in any time of death. I think they are a part of life, just as much as we are.

We have to remember that movies are a business and the object is to sell tickets. In reality we don't all jump cars over tractor trailers or repel down skyscrapers. Movies are entertainment and have nothing to do with reality. What sells tickets are scarey creatures or over the top action. To base opinions on movies or TV is to buy into fantasy and can drive you crazy.

People don't come up with creatures like those they have to have something to base there opinions on. IM not basing these creatures off movies I'm basing them on off what I've seen

Thank you for your input, Kyle. I am one who often cites what I call "the modern mythopoetic cycle" (aka pop culture) in my spiritual and magickal work, sometimes to the chagrin of my fellow magicians. (I've even been accused of being flippant or not taking the work seriously because I suggested we could do something the way I read it in Harry Potter). So I do think you have a point that modern books and films often reflect the cultural dreams (if you need good authority for this proposition, try Joseph Campbell).

Also I want to assure you that I serve the Goddess, the Lady of Life, and if something is evil, I will defend the Earth against it. However, even if these creatures are associated with human death, that does not make them evil. Even in the movie "Ghost", I do not see why we should assume that the spirits that drag evil souls into hell are themselves evil. Michaelangelo painted his namesake, the Archangel Michael, doing that job in St. Peter's Basilica. Most people would not call the Archangel Michael evil (at least to his face).

Death and evil are two different things. I'll save you all my philosophical yammering on that issue. And many people, like Spyderglass, have seen these in a context having nothing to do with human death. Interestingly, though, there was a post just the other day on the "psychics" board from someone who started seeing shadow people after her father's death.

You know, folks, Kyle may have a point. These creatures do bear some resemblance to the dementors of the Rawlingverse. I sensed them at my house the other day, and I did feel a sort of paralyzing fear in my chest. That surprised me. As some of you may have guessed, I can be more than a little bit arrogant and reckless in my work, and I'm cocky enough to greet most things that go bump in the night without batting an eye. So it is a little strange these things had the ability to wig me out. It took me a couple of minutes to shake it off.

There are creatures that feed on human fear and pain. I have faced those before. Are the shadow people that sort of spirit? I'm not sure. They seem to respond to human energy on some level (as I found in my shamanic journey to track them down).

I'm really hoping askShardotcom will give us more input about them.

Whoa! I just noticed that the post from askShardotcom, in which she claimed the shadow people had told her that they are here on earth briefly as part of a major Transformation of our planet, has been mysteriously deleted. How very X-Files!