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Originally Posted by tickle

Have you ever heard the old saying, be careful what you ask for, you may get more then you bargained for, or something similar to that.

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Yes I have, and I know.

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Originally Posted by tickle

Hauntinghelper is very gifted. We have other experts on the paranormal board as well who dont play around. So dont tell us we utter malicious lies.

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And that's why I called him in. I should have remembered tickle's name too and PMed her (she's too multi-talented for me to remember all her talents).

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

And that's why I called him in. I should have remembered tickle's name too and PMed her (she's too multi-talented for me to remember all her talents).

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I can be reckless and stubborn, I'll admit that. There are some things I really want to know, that's why I've been acting so impatient and looking up ways to make spiritual contact.

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Originally Posted by TheWatchful

I can be reckless and stubborn, I'll admit that. There are some things I really want to know, that's why I've been acting so impatient and looking up ways to make spiritual contact.

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What you will be doing will make demonic contact.

Why?

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What you will be doing will make demonic contact.

Why?

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Not only do I need answers. I also want to find some things out.

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Originally Posted by TheWatchful

Truth is, I'm acting kind of impatient with wanting answers, so that's why I wish to contact angels and demons. Even if I hear some lies with involvement with what's in the questions I want to ask, I'll still accept the answers. That does not mean I'll believe everything. From what I've read and what I've been told, the risks and dangers involved can have some costly consequences.

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You may not be concerned about yourself and your own welfare and well-being, but what about those who you love and love and care about you? Do you think a demon/spirit would stop with you? I am guessing that your impatience and 'desires' mean more to you than anything else.

Have you tried asking people who have gained knowledge and wisdom through years of studying and research your questions? People who won't lie to you or endanger your life and well-being or that of you loved ones.

Understand that your attitude is going to be your downfall. You want everything Now, screw everyone and everything else. That is the attitude that demons love to exploit. I am actually wondering if you aren't already being guided by one.

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You may not be concerned about yourself and your own welfare and well-being, but what about those who you love and love and care about you? Do you think a demon/spirit would stop with you? I am guessing that your impatience and 'desires' mean more to you than anything else.

Have you tried asking people who have gained knowledge and wisdom through years of studying and research your questions? People who won't lie to you or endanger your life and well-being or that of you loved ones.

Understand that your attitude is going to be your downfall. You want everything Now, screw everyone and everything else. That is the attitude that demons love to exploit. I am actually wondering if you aren't already being guided by one.

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I know how what all I've said sounds like. It's not like that at all.

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I know how what all I've said sounds like. It's not like that at all.

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Then what is it like?

You are at a fork in the road. You can choose to learn more about what you are thinking about dealing with and how to protect yourself and others or you can continue to 'learn by doing' and hope that you can handle the consequences.

There are people who would be willing to teach you if you were willing to learn. There are very few who can rescue you from any major mistakes you cause.

You remind me of a child playing with fire. I am very concerned that you are going to burn your house down.

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Then what is it like?

You are at a fork in the road. You can choose to learn more about what you are thinking about dealing with and how to protect yourself and others or you can continue to 'learn by doing' and hope that you can handle the consequences.

There are people who would be willing to teach you if you were willing to learn. There are very few who can rescue you from any major mistakes you cause.

You remind me of a child playing with fire. I am very concerned that you are going to burn your house down.

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I am trying to learn as much as possible.

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I am trying to learn as much as possible.

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There are just some things a demon or an angel can answer me. I'm just impatient about waiting to die to find out.

After some deep, critical thinking over all of this, I've realized that I need to remain patient and show restraint. I know that patience is a virtue. I don't know what came over me.

Well, you got to be me to truly understand how I feel and what I mean. Oh, and not to be rude, but thank you all for answering. I guess faith is far stronger than impatience and stubbornness.

Can you try some of us? You'd be amazed at what we might know. What is it that only a demonic spirit can answer (again, an angel does not operate by these means)?

You started this thread... so allow us to at least more fully discuss it with you.

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I know how what all I've said sounds like. It's not like that at all.

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What you described in your original post was simple auto-hypnosis. Self-induced trance states can produce a euphoria often confused with religious ecstasy or epiphany. The challenge is to determine what is from you and what is from outside.

Outside influences have been described throughout history, from Moses to Fei Shui to Augustine to Albertus Magus to Joseph Smith, as operating by different rules than obtain in our current cycle of existence. You and your spirit are operating here; different operations may not be understandable.

So, in your quest for answers you have at least two challenges: 1)determining whether your findings are self-delusion and 2) maintaining your ability to function under the principles of here-and-now.

What are the stakes in this? The chance of knowing the fundamentals of existence and how to use them versus a diet of Jello and Thorazine in a padded room for the rest of this life and still not knowing what comes next.

Choose your path carefully.

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What you described in your original post was simple auto-hypnosis. Self-induced trance states can produce a euphoria often confused with religious ecstasy or epiphany. The challenge is to determine what is from you and what is from outside.

Outside influences have been described throughout history, from Moses to Fei Shui to Augustine to Albertus Magus to Joseph Smith, as operating by different rules than obtain in our current cycle of existence. You and your spirit are operating here; different operations may not be understandable.

So, in your quest for answers you have at least two challenges: 1)determining whether your findings are self-delusion and 2) maintaining your ability to function under the principles of here-and-now.

What are the stakes in this? The chance of knowing the fundamentals of existence and how to use them versus a diet of Jello and Thorazine in a padded room for the rest of this life and still not knowing what comes next.

Choose your path carefully.

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I'm over wanting something so immediate. I've swam the depths of my mind and questioned myself.

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Originally Posted by hauntinghelper

Can you try some of us? You'd be amazed at what we might know. What is it that only a demonic spirit can answer (again, an angel does not operate by these means)?

You started this thread...so allow us to at least more fully discuss it with you.

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I'm sorry, but I kind of want some things to remain exclusive.