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  • Sep 11, 2013, 03:21 PM
    TheWatchful
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    How old are you? Male?

    I'm an 18 year old male.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 03:23 PM
    hauntinghelper
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheWatchful View Post
    I feel as though I need to do some confrontation, despite the dangers involved. Even if it's reckless and idiotic.

    Confrontation with what? An actual spirit?

    Acts 19:13-16

    13 Some Jews who went around driving out evil spirits tried to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who were demon-possessed. They would say, “In the name of the Jesus whom Paul preaches, I command you to come out.” 14 Seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this. 15 One day the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know about, but who are you?” 16 Then the man who had the evil spirit jumped on them and overpowered them all. He gave them such a beating that they ran out of the house naked and bleeding.

    You're a human... no offense, but an inexperienced one at that. Don't confront powers you know nothing about.

    It's good you believe in God... but that is the very first step in the right direction, it has nothing to do with where you stand with God.

    James 2:19
    You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

    It's not whether you believe in God that makes a difference... it's what you choose to do with that belief. As I said already, there are spirits specifically over the occult and they will draw you in more and more. I know of one individual who could not STOP using his Ouija board... it was a compulsion and an addiction.

    If you don't mind me asking... what information are you searching for? Why consult the demonic when they are liars to begin with. They will tell you only enough truth to get you to learn more and more on what they reveal to you. This is not a game.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 03:27 PM
    TheWatchful
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hauntinghelper View Post
    Confrontation with what? An actual spirit?

    Acts 19:13-16

    13 Some Jews who went around driving out evil spirits tried to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who were demon-possessed. They would say, “In the name of the Jesus whom Paul preaches, I command you to come out.” 14 Seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this. 15 One day the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know about, but who are you?” 16 Then the man who had the evil spirit jumped on them and overpowered them all. He gave them such a beating that they ran out of the house naked and bleeding.

    You're a human...no offense, but an inexperienced one at that. Don't confront powers you know nothing about.

    It's good you believe in God...but that is the very first step in the right direction, it has nothing to do with where you stand with God.

    James 2:19
    You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

    It's not whether you believe in God that makes a difference...it's what you choose to do with that belief. As I said already, there are spirits specifically over the occult and they will draw you in more and more. I know of one individual who could not STOP using his Ouija board...it was a compulsion and an addiction.

    If you don't mind me asking...what information are you searching for? Why consult the demonic when they are liars to begin with. They will tell you only enough truth to get you to learn more and more on what they reveal to you. This is not a game.

    Even if I hear nothing but malicious lies, all I want are some things answered. Also, yes. I do intend to confront an actual spirit.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 03:37 PM
    hauntinghelper
    So, as an 18 year old you're seriously going to say that you want answers regardless of their truth?

    You don't need spirits for that... I can tell you whatever you want. You're going to retire a billioaire. In the next week you'll be offered a job as the new host of the Price Is Right.

    Please tell me you see the foolishness of it?
  • Sep 11, 2013, 03:39 PM
    TheWatchful
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hauntinghelper View Post
    So, as an 18 year old you're seriously going to say that you want answers regardless of their truth?

    You dont need spirits for that...i can tell you whatever you want. You're going to retire a billioaire. In the next week youll be offered a job as the new host of the Price Is Right.

    Please tell me you see the foolishness of it?

    Yes... I have my reasons.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 03:39 PM
    hauntinghelper
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheWatchful View Post
    Even if it's reckless and idiotic.

    You said it, not me.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 03:40 PM
    tickle
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheWatchful View Post
    Even if I hear nothing but malicious lies, all I want are some things answered. Also, yes. I do intend to confront an actual spirit.

    Malicious lies? Mmm well that is all you will encounter following the path you are choosing.

    The thing is, you are delving into a realm of deceit. You want to contact a spirit, be prepared to get more then you bargained for.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 03:42 PM
    hauntinghelper
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheWatchful View Post
    Yes... I have my reasons.

    Can you enlighten me? Im curious what needs to be answered so badly that even a lie is an acceptable answer.

    Actually I think you don't want anything specific answered... you simply are curious as to what might happen next.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 03:45 PM
    TheWatchful
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tickle View Post
    Malicious lies? Mmm well that is all you will encounter following the path you are choosing.

    The thing is, you are delving into a realm of deceit. You want to contact a spirit, be prepared to get more then you bargained for.

    Whatever roads I'm crossing, be they dangerous and hazardous, I know that there may be very bad consequences. I still need answers. So I will cross those roads, despite the risks involved.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 03:48 PM
    TheWatchful
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hauntinghelper View Post
    Can you enlighten me? Im curious what needs to be answered so badly that even a lie is an acceptable answer.

    Actually I think you dont want anything specific answered...you simply are curious as to what might happen next.

    I just don't want to say. It's not some "dead" person I'm after. It's demons and angels.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 03:52 PM
    tickle
    @watchful. I guess no one has told you that a scrying mirror is blacked out. You can't see your reflection. So, what you have done before is just wishful thinking, no basis, your over active imagination.

    My specialty is psychometry which means I can sense feelings and emotions, at times, from an inaminate object.

    Hauntinghelper is very gifted. We have other experts on the paranormal board as well who don't play around. So don't tell us we utter malicious lies.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 03:53 PM
    hauntinghelper
    In seeking spirit contact it will never be an angel you hear from.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 03:55 PM
    TheWatchful
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tickle View Post
    @watchful. I guess no one has told you that a scrying mirror is blacked out. You can't see your reflection. So, what you have done before is just wishful thinking, no basis, your over active imagination.

    My specialty is psychometry which means I can sense feelings and emotions, at times, from an inaminate object.

    Hauntinghelper is very gifted. We have other experts on the paranormal board as well who dont play around. So dont tell us we utter malicious lies.

    I know what I've seen, okay? Also, I never said that anyone utters malicious lies. I was speaking of the demons whom I wish to speak with.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 03:56 PM
    TheWatchful
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hauntinghelper View Post
    In seeking spirit contact it will never be an angel you hear from.

    That may be true. I feel that I need to find out on my own.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 03:57 PM
    tickle
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheWatchful View Post
    Whatever roads I'm crossing, be they dangerous and hazardous, I know that there may be very bad consequences. I still need answers. So I will cross those roads, despite the risks involved.

    What specific answers do you want? Normally it is a friend, parent or lover who has passed over that someone wants to connect with.

    Trust me, you can't utter demons and angels in the same breath. You won't be seeing angels for sure!
  • Sep 11, 2013, 03:58 PM
    TheWatchful
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tickle View Post
    What specific answers do you want? Normally it is a friend, parent or lover who has passed over that someone wants to connect with.

    Trust me, you can't utter demons and angels in the same breath. You won't be seeing angels for sure!

    I really don't want to say.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 04:01 PM
    hauntinghelper
    Its obvious you'll do what you want. Im only trying yo issue words of wisdom and warning to you. Some people have to learn from their mistakes and I pray that at some point in your life you'll come to realize what the spirit world is truly about.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 04:02 PM
    tickle
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheWatchful View Post
    That may be true. I feel that I need to find out on my own.

    Have you ever heard the old saying, be careful what you ask for, you may get more then you bargained for, or something similar to that.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 04:03 PM
    tickle
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheWatchful View Post
    I really don't want to say.

    Why can't you say. You started this. Be specific in your needs.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 04:05 PM
    TheWatchful
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hauntinghelper View Post
    Its obvious youll do what you want. Im only trying yo issue words of wisdom and warning to you. Some people have to learn from their mistakes and i pray that at some point in your life youll come to realize what the spirit world is truly about.

    Truth is, I'm acting kind of impatient with wanting answers, so that's why I wish to contact angels and demons. Even if I hear some lies with involvement with what's in the questions I want to ask, I'll still accept the answers. That does not mean I'll believe everything. From what I've read and what I've been told, the risks and dangers involved can have some costly consequences.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 04:06 PM
    TheWatchful
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tickle View Post
    Have you ever heard the old saying, be careful what you ask for, you may get more then you bargained for, or something similar to that.

    Yes I have, and I know.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 04:11 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tickle View Post
    Hauntinghelper is very gifted. We have other experts on the paranormal board as well who dont play around. So dont tell us we utter malicious lies.

    And that's why I called him in. I should have remembered tickle's name too and PMed her (she's too multi-talented for me to remember all her talents).
  • Sep 11, 2013, 04:14 PM
    TheWatchful
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    And that's why I called him in. I should have remembered tickle's name too and PMed her (she's too multi-talented for me to remember all her talents).

    I can be reckless and stubborn, I'll admit that. There are some things I really want to know, that's why I've been acting so impatient and looking up ways to make spiritual contact.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 04:18 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheWatchful View Post
    I can be reckless and stubborn, I'll admit that. There are some things I really want to know, that's why I've been acting so impatient and looking up ways to make spiritual contact.

    What you will be doing will make demonic contact.

    Why?
  • Sep 11, 2013, 04:23 PM
    TheWatchful
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    What you will be doing will make demonic contact.

    Why?

    Not only do I need answers. I also want to find some things out.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 04:26 PM
    Cat1864
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheWatchful View Post
    Truth is, I'm acting kind of impatient with wanting answers, so that's why I wish to contact angels and demons. Even if I hear some lies with involvement with what's in the questions I want to ask, I'll still accept the answers. That does not mean I'll believe everything. From what I've read and what I've been told, the risks and dangers involved can have some costly consequences.

    You may not be concerned about yourself and your own welfare and well-being, but what about those who you love and love and care about you? Do you think a demon/spirit would stop with you? I am guessing that your impatience and 'desires' mean more to you than anything else.

    Have you tried asking people who have gained knowledge and wisdom through years of studying and research your questions? People who won't lie to you or endanger your life and well-being or that of you loved ones.

    Understand that your attitude is going to be your downfall. You want everything Now, screw everyone and everything else. That is the attitude that demons love to exploit. I am actually wondering if you aren't already being guided by one.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 04:29 PM
    TheWatchful
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cat1864 View Post
    You may not be concerned about yourself and your own welfare and well-being, but what about those who you love and love and care about you? Do you think a demon/spirit would stop with you? I am guessing that your impatience and 'desires' mean more to you than anything else.

    Have you tried asking people who have gained knowledge and wisdom through years of studying and research your questions? People who won't lie to you or endanger your life and well-being or that of you loved ones.

    Understand that your attitude is going to be your downfall. You want everything Now, screw everyone and everything else. That is the attitude that demons love to exploit. I am actually wondering if you aren't already being guided by one.

    I know how what all I've said sounds like. It's not like that at all.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 04:39 PM
    Cat1864
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheWatchful View Post
    I know how what all I've said sounds like. It's not like that at all.

    Then what is it like?

    You are at a fork in the road. You can choose to learn more about what you are thinking about dealing with and how to protect yourself and others or you can continue to 'learn by doing' and hope that you can handle the consequences.

    There are people who would be willing to teach you if you were willing to learn. There are very few who can rescue you from any major mistakes you cause.

    You remind me of a child playing with fire. I am very concerned that you are going to burn your house down.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 04:42 PM
    TheWatchful
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cat1864 View Post
    Then what is it like?

    You are at a fork in the road. You can choose to learn more about what you are thinking about dealing with and how to protect yourself and others or you can continue to 'learn by doing' and hope that you can handle the consequences.

    There are people who would be willing to teach you if you were willing to learn. There are very few who can rescue you from any major mistakes you cause.

    You remind me of a child playing with fire. I am very concerned that you are going to burn your house down.

    I am trying to learn as much as possible.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 04:46 PM
    TheWatchful
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheWatchful View Post
    I am trying to learn as much as possible.

    There are just some things a demon or an angel can answer me. I'm just impatient about waiting to die to find out.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 05:13 PM
    TheWatchful
    After some deep, critical thinking over all of this, I've realized that I need to remain patient and show restraint. I know that patience is a virtue. I don't know what came over me.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 05:20 PM
    TheWatchful
    Well, you got to be me to truly understand how I feel and what I mean. Oh, and not to be rude, but thank you all for answering. I guess faith is far stronger than impatience and stubbornness.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 05:21 PM
    hauntinghelper
    Can you try some of us? You'd be amazed at what we might know. What is it that only a demonic spirit can answer (again, an angel does not operate by these means)?

    You started this thread... so allow us to at least more fully discuss it with you.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 05:22 PM
    Catsmine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheWatchful View Post
    I know how what all I've said sounds like. It's not like that at all.

    What you described in your original post was simple auto-hypnosis. Self-induced trance states can produce a euphoria often confused with religious ecstasy or epiphany. The challenge is to determine what is from you and what is from outside.

    Outside influences have been described throughout history, from Moses to Fei Shui to Augustine to Albertus Magus to Joseph Smith, as operating by different rules than obtain in our current cycle of existence. You and your spirit are operating here; different operations may not be understandable.

    So, in your quest for answers you have at least two challenges: 1)determining whether your findings are self-delusion and 2) maintaining your ability to function under the principles of here-and-now.

    What are the stakes in this? The chance of knowing the fundamentals of existence and how to use them versus a diet of Jello and Thorazine in a padded room for the rest of this life and still not knowing what comes next.

    Choose your path carefully.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 05:26 PM
    TheWatchful
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Catsmine View Post
    What you described in your original post was simple auto-hypnosis. Self-induced trance states can produce a euphoria often confused with religious ecstasy or epiphany. The challenge is to determine what is from you and what is from outside.

    Outside influences have been described throughout history, from Moses to Fei Shui to Augustine to Albertus Magus to Joseph Smith, as operating by different rules than obtain in our current cycle of existence. You and your spirit are operating here; different operations may not be understandable.

    So, in your quest for answers you have at least two challenges: 1)determining whether your findings are self-delusion and 2) maintaining your ability to function under the principles of here-and-now.

    What are the stakes in this? The chance of knowing the fundamentals of existence and how to use them versus a diet of Jello and Thorazine in a padded room for the rest of this life and still not knowing what comes next.

    Choose your path carefully.

    I'm over wanting something so immediate. I've swam the depths of my mind and questioned myself.
  • Sep 11, 2013, 05:27 PM
    TheWatchful
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hauntinghelper View Post
    Can you try some of us? You'd be amazed at what we might know. What is it that only a demonic spirit can answer (again, an angel does not operate by these means)?

    You started this thread...so allow us to at least more fully discuss it with you.

    I'm sorry, but I kind of want some things to remain exclusive.

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