Holy crap she's even been deleted from the member's list!
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Holy crap she's even been deleted from the member's list!
Hmm. Let me try Askshar.com-that's weird. Maybe she did something bad on another post?
Spiritual guidance website.
Kylezazu--I wish to extend my apology as my answer to you was condecending and thoughtless. Yes much of our fiction and mythology has it's basis in fact and often truth even though most people would never admit it as that's too frightening for them to handle. The thing to remember is any evil feeds on fear. If we can conquer our fear we can face down anything and win.
Im sorry if I came off strong on the subject. Its just that I have seen these creatures up close and personal. Ive woken up on several occations to them hovering over me or sevewral standing around me. They whisper in strange words that terrify me, I'm actually looking into it to see if it has anything to do with tounges from christianity. But the thing is they actually make it so you can't move. Scientist have tried to say that it is sleep paralysis. I don't by that being asleep and having something feel likeit is sitting on your chest is not the same thing. My girlfreind has even started saying she's been having weird ecounters similar to mine since we started dating. She really freaked me out when she told me soemthing was freezing her and making her terrified as it spoke in a strange language.
Also as to the movies... I believe that humans are really tapped out in the creation department. I don't think that there creations are based off there own ideas anymore. SO many culktures speak of creatures so similar its scary. Vampires for example were spoken of legends in europe before they ever crossed the seas. At the same time legends of Camoratz the Bat God was spoken in central america by the mayans. Its just my belief that everything in the fairy tales does have a spec of truth to them, even if its not the same thing there is something to base it off. I truly believe these shadow people are evil. And no I won't say it to Michaels face I respect him too much. Uriel, the ark angel of death who I think is the grim reaper legend on the other hand I'm not so sure about. Im starting to theorize that these shadow people may have something to do with him.
I know this may sound strange but do you guys know of nephilim, if not I will explain. They angel came down to earth and mated with females (genesis 6:4) great hers and creatures were born known as the nephilim. IF the grim reeper steriotype is true about uriel, wouldn't the shadow people fit the picture of the sons and daughters of uriel. Just a thought... In the bible it says God destroyed the nephilim with the flood, who's to say more nephilim were not conceived. And if they were evil then, they might still be evil.
Sorry this is just my approach to explaining these creatures. Sorry if I am offending anyone by speaking my christian views.
Kylezazu, If you were raised christian then of course everything you experience will be viewed from a christian viewpoint. From what you describe with the weight on your chest it sounds like vampires. Not the movie Dracula but the in between worlds type that drain the living of energy in order to maintain their existence. Believe it or not they usually are not evil though they can scare the bejeebers out of you. Most offten they are deceased relatives or friends that don't want to leave the world and people they love or care about. They have no clue that they are causing harm they only know they feel better after being near you. Since they work on a psychic level and not a human level you can repel them with your mind by being honest and telling them you care about their well being and want them to go where they will never have to be alone or afraid again. That you wish them happiness and that they are causing you harm even though they don't mean to. This actually happens to many more people then you imagine and often within 6 months of a family or friends death. The fact that they appear as shadows or dark figures is also nothing to be frightened by. It, sort of like looking at an old photograph negative. Everything in the photo that was white looks black and everything that was black looks white. If we were to enter their realm they would be in living color and live people would look like shadows to us. It's just a matter of perspective. Try talking to them in a friendly caring way and you can do this in your mind if your unable to speak out loud. What the heck it's worth a try. Oh and if it is an entity that is fond of you it will also go to see your girlfriend out of courtesy.
I understqand what you are saying but forgive me if I'm skeptical of it. I really don't think they are human spirits. I really do believe in a fine line between white and black... between good and evil. These things know what they are doing, and they are not any friends of mine. On a dream level I run from them, in a physical level I am terrifed. I don't quite believe in vampire magic as in the movies dracula. I believe in vampires on a biological approach such as it being a strange strain of the zombie virus or other ideas like that. I do believe in the supernatural though.
To jump back into the conversation...
Kyle have you tried any means to keep these creatures at bay? I would assume you would prefer something from your faith tradition--crosses, blessings, holy water maybe? (BTW I was raised Catholic, and still am, albeit with a lot of other stuff thrown in that most people would probably say is incompatible). If so, how did it work?
If you are willing to step outside the strictly Christian tradition, we could discuss doing some shamanic work around this. Shamanism technically doesn't belong to any religion, any more than medicine or music.
I've never been too sure what a vampire is myself. I tend to use the term "vampirism" more, meaning the act of feeding off someone else's energy or life. There are living human beings who do that, either trained in some magical art or simply doing it unconsciously (ever met someone like that, who just drains everyone around them?). And I could certainly see how the spirit of a deceased human could engage in that behavior, as Mokrie describes. Once I was helping a couple of child ghosts, and discovered they were being kept in a state of fear and pain by some other creature (did I mention this in an earlier post? Sorry if I'm repeating myself) that was a real dark nasty thing. I didn't think it was or had ever been human, but then, I didn't stop to ask it. It was all I could do to keep it from attacking me.
Weird you should mention the nephilim. I was thinking about them just the other day. You see, I have some past life memories, going back quite a long way to a time when I was one of a group of people who lived in a dimension parallel to earth. We left our home as the gateway between it and earth was closing, and have dwelt here ever since. It was hard for us to explain to primitive humans about the multi-dimensional gateway thing. We just used the analogy of it being like an island that sank under the sea. But, yes, back in the day we were both very powerful and very arrogant, and meddled with the earth beings as we saw fit. And since coming here we've migrated all over this planet, into every human culture. So by this point, everyone alive is of the nephilim to some extent. You all have a little of the Old Blood, the DNA and the mitochondria and a sliver of the Light of "the ones who came from there" (as we call ourselves).
I know what I just said may not jive with your beliefs (and may even make you think I'm straight nuts). But it is weird that I was thinking of that verse from Genesis just yesterday, and then you mentioned it like that. In my way of life, synchronicities like that mean something. Although it can be a trick figuring out what.
And I suppose it is only fair to disclose to the folks who are participating in this discussion that I don't consider myself entirely human. I believe the term usually used on the internet is "otherkin." So it is fair for you to ask, if it came down to conflict between shadow people and humans, where would my own allegiance lie? If it turned out that they are beings on a different level of reality, just impacting earth's level enough to cast a shadow here, and they did turn out to be my distant kin--the ones who stayed behind when the gateway closed, well...
Once again... there pure evil and yes I know the difference. I dotn understand what you were saying but its fine that's not really relevant. I think you were speaking for psychic vampires... I'm not stupid, I know a lot of things I've never learned if that makes any sense. I believe the gift is called the gift of knowing or soemthign like that among the gifts of the spirit in the bible (not sure if you are familiar with them) As to what you were saying about your faith a mix of different religons I kind of know what you mean I believe every religon is connected like a certain theory I'm making concerning the Greek Gods as actually fallen or other typews of angels. Similarties such as Ezequal the fallen angel who gave the gift of predicting weather to humans to zues the god of the sky or Boreas the god of wind. Or even Atlas and Azriel, or even kronos and uriel. They all share very similar characteristics. Anyway I haven't quite seen shadow people lately but when I saw them frequently I did try crosses and holy water and what not even protection spells (if they even worked) didn't do me much good. Im concerned that some dof the reports I get from other people who see them, report seeing them as very close to human shape standing aroudn them, as if they are doing something. Im concerned that they are in fact doing something in ritual sense or something else. I'm concerned they might be plannings omethign bigger then we know. This might sound a little parnoid but... The mayan callender so far has predicted 3 of there 4 great changes corectly. And the final one is coming up. Now with the elections of who I presonaly will think become the antichrist coming up I don't know. Something is going on. I just know what. Any imput?
I saw them when I was a child an 'innocent' and I never feared them. Maybe they feed off fear? If they are here to get things ready, then they have been getting things ready for 20 years. The Mayans believed that everything happens in cycles, circles. They believed that 'the end of the world' had happened before, and would happen again when the stars were in the correct alignment. Maybe there will be a disaster in 2012, maybe the shadow people are harbingers of a disaster like the Mothman. I don't think anyone knows for sure, that is why Alder started this thread, to see what these shadow-people are all about. Maybe the only reason I see them as a fact of life is because they have always been a part of mine. Maybe they are afraid of YOU for some reason, and that's why you have been singled out. Have you ever tried just ignoring them? Until you stop seeing them?
If by ignore you mean pull the covers over my head yeah I've tried that they just stand there sometimes staring at me. I know this is probably irrevlevent but my friend who has been having major contact with these creatures and describes them the same way I do just happens to have the exact birthday as me down to the last hour. Don't think its relevant just thought id add it. Circles 4 circles, this is the final one of the mayan callender, and each for there circles has predicted some great change or disaster in how the earth worked. Ive read all the throys from... hell alien invasions to changes in the earths electrical current and gravitational pull from the two poles. Everyone's predicted something and what ever its been has been in the planning for a lot longer then 20 years. We are at a major life changing event in the next few years. Whether it's the rise of the antichrist or the collapse of earths gravity, hell for all we know it could be the end of are sun (not likely) eternal eclipse mabe. For example if the earths gravitational pull would for some reason alter the moons path say to stationary it could put us in some type of eternal eclipse blocking out the sun. Just mixing a fewe theorys anyway I'm sorry that is not the point. THE PO
Int is that these shadow people I believe may have a significant role if not the casuers then something they are evil I intend to find out what they want. Hey alder I know you have been asked this before, but what's an inner animal spirit?
They say if you look into the darkness long enough it will start to look back. There is always the possibility that the more we fear evil the more we have the ability to give it form. If you don't think of any entity as evil it just may change it's actions or your perception of it will change.
I wouldn't claim to be an authority on the subject of evil, Kyle, so I don't know whether these beings are evil. I can only look at my own life, and the times I have caused harm by acting out of rage or fear or pain or foolish pride. That is evil. My own sense of the shadow people was an alien-ness, not anything malignant. And then there's Spyderglass, who says that to her they seem neither malignant or alien. While I think they are somehow connected to the changes I sense taking place in our world, Mokrie does not see that correlation. I live in a multi-dimensional enough universe that I don't require one right answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by kylezazu
I do not discount the paralysis experience you describe when they have been near you. Other people have reported the same, although there are plenty of people who have seen or even touched them who did not. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I felt a little of that same thing one time when I was close to them. But I cannot conclude from this that they are evil. Some people are allergic to the dander of cats, others aren't. I wouldn't say that makes cats evil (though they have been accused of evil and witchcraft more than once in our history). I have yet to conclude the shadow beings are doing this to hurt you. It may simply be a side effect of their presence to which you are more sensitive than some.
April also mentioned she had felt they were attacking her, but as she described it further, it sounded like it may have been their possibly ham handed attempt to communicate.
Well, that's why I want to investigate them. I want to know what they want, what they are doing. Are they trying to influence the human universe, and if so, is it an influence I would support or oppose? Ideally we will find someone who knows how to talk to them, or learn to communicate with them ourselves.
But for me, I equate evil with selfishly causing harm. People like Bush are too quick to call others evil. Evil is when a free-willed being chooses to act in a way that denies the connection that being shares with all beings, everywhere. A cougar that attacks a jogger is not denying the Oneness of being, quite the opposite! But that doesn't mean I sprinkle Adolph's on my body and go jogging in cougar country. Some things are dangerous and need to be treated with respect. But evil, well, until I've walked a mile in their robes and fedoras, I don't know that I can say. I judge spirits by the content of their character, not the color of their ectoplasm. ;)
Sorry, Kyle. I have a tricksterish sense of humor. But that does not mean I belittle your ideas. Nothing could be further. I can see you have considered these issues carefully and thought about them deeply. A voice of caution like yours is helpful. If we do learn to communicate and cooperate with these beings, it's good to remember these kind of cautions; to stop and check ourselves and see whether we are being tricked or co-opted into doing something with an ultimate goal (or a means) that is unsound.
Oh, you asked about power animals. Power animals are a kind of guardian angel that takes animal form for some reason. In many cultures all around the world, when someone enters a shamanic trance (by drumming, fasting, taking sweat, ingesting entheogenic herbs, or some other means), they encounter this kind of animal companion to help and guide them.
I think that when you give something power, or call it evil. That is what it becomes to you. The only reason I disagree with you is because I have never had bad experiences like you have. That doesn't mean that you are wrong, or that I am wrong. I just think that you have to have good to have evil-and the other way around. The brighter the flame the blacker the shadow.
Look I'm not going to argue good or evil anymore with you guys it's a go no where conversation. (not trying to sound mean ro anything it just is) Anyway my belief is that they are evil, or perhaps possible we are talking of two different beings. A non poisonous snake and a poisinous snake are very much different, no matter hwo much they look the same. The creatures I have seen are evil.
For the advance in research my encounters with them have had other effects I just remember from years ago. They can some how make me enter rem almost immediately after I shut my eyes. They have some how entered my dreams. This might sound crazy but when I dream I have been known to be able to wake up in my fdream and countiously make choices while dreaming. They have been there chasing me. Im sorry but I feel they are evil and are here for an evil purpose. My friend and I really believe they are dmeons or some oither evil being. I found a story I wrote when I was little that talks of dark angels coming in from other demensions and messing with this reality trying to spread there evil. This is very similar. So everyone knows I write about things I see. I wrote stroies about apociliptic bible versus when I was little before I ever really understood thing sdaid in church. Its weird but I really feel that these creatures if not demons are some otehrsort of evil from either are reality or another but they really are evil, this will be my last post of this topic of whether they are good or evil. I check in time to time with my views and to see others.
Ok, I always like playing devils advocate. If we think about it there are human serial killers. There are psychopaths. There are sociopaths that are unable to feel empathy, pity or guilt. If the human realm has such beings then it is entirely possible that other worlds or dimensions has the equivalent. With this in mind it is then entirely possible that evil in these contexts exists there. If they cross over to here they may be responsible for the fear of demons or creatures of nightmares. Their brothers that look just like them may be benign or friendly but once humans encounter the bad ones they are all painted with the same brush. How'm I dooin?
You are definitely dooin' :)
Hi. I would love to team up with you. I had actually posted something about wanting to get more experience in the paranormal. If you are interested, please let me know. Amber
Amberlachelle, Thank you for the compliment. (You think I am in the know) All I know for sure about the paranormal is that our rules of logic don't apply. There are no guide books only guesses. Every time someone is sure they have found an answer the next person has an opposite answer. We are all seeking understanding. I am surpect of anyone that is too sure of anything involving paranormal events as the biggest mistake we humans can make is to try to pin the unknown down like a butterlfly. Please feel free to join in the conversation because this helps to organize thoughts and compare notes.Quote:
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OK, I had to add this because I hallucinated the post from Amber had "mokrie" at the beginning. I just embarrassed myself. EGO gone wild.
Hey here's a thought what if these shadowmen are a type of psychic vampire, or a form of astral projection from a psychic vampire. When some creatures feed of an organism they inject a type of poson that paralyzes there victims. What if the fear felt while the shadow creature aroudn that makes it difficult tomove is actually a type of poison that allows them to feed of energies. Just a thought
Uh, didn't I say they sounded like vampires before? Or maybe I hallucinated that too...
Mokrie you need to lay off the magic mushrooms ;)
Just joshin' you
Good one spyderglass! Sometimes I wonder when I eat mushroom soup----
Kyle, I see you have been on the defense on this post regarding good v. evil. I am Catholic and I share your view and understand your posts very well. Only you and your intuition can answer the questions you have and I can see in your answers to your questions that you are sure of what you feel, regardless of how others want to see it. Good for you! I am exactly the same way and I have had similar and violent circumstances growing up... ever since I was 2.
I also believe in energy balance and the change from positive to negative. I understand how others may read the post and draw out the conclusion that your consciousness is feeding access energy these negative feelings giving power and magnetic force to cause poltergeists and what may feel like evil spirits/attacks. No doubt I believe that fear feeds and I believe positive energy (light work) and personal inner strength can rid of such conditions. It is also known that in the process of feeding fear and negative energy to environmental energy (access) that this could actually attract demons and spirits alike. The more negative ions are in the air, the more spiritual activity you will receive, so in actuality what you are saying is valid and I agree with you.
Growing up I knew what was evil and what was good and till this day I can tell you that this does exist. Everyone has different talents and unless you can get a hold of what you have Kyle…you will struggle with it your whole life. I have embraced it and have expanded my beliefs beyond Catholicism and found a new concept in addition to my origin faith. I still am Catholic but a refined one and I can't just be a normal person…I am not a normal person. Your experiences of the shadow people are similar to mine, I am attacked. Just the other night, OH MY GOD did I ever have the WORST dream in my LIFE, I have never had a dream so terrifying…it was about my daughter and I am not at liberty to discuss anymore other then she died. Initially when I woke up the shadow ran out of my room like a bat out of hell, I began to pray and say thanks that it was a dream…but I couldn't stop crying I was traumatized and angry so I followed it and stepped out in the garage. Sure enough there he was…sitting on the stairs…he looked at me. I said to him, “Unless you have a good explanation of why you did this you should be ashamed of yourself playing on my emotions. This practical joke of yours is not funny and if you have no cause, you are banned from here; I abolish you from this home and everyone in it! Leave now and leave in the same sadness and grief you have caused me.” His foggy figure of a man (sitting like a man and I saw the shapes of legs) just vanished like smoke! Vampire? Shadow Person? Messenger from the void? What was this?
From my experience and in my opinion only, Vampires are a life force sucking negative energy to create balance. If an individual is imbalanced they will come and will grow thus causing what can get to the worst stages of poltergeists. This energy can attract demons since the individual is of a weak state and easily influenced. This is breeding grounds for more fear thus causing paranormal phenomena and physical symptoms. Initially their intent is not to harm you but to help you; to take away your fear and anxiety. Anyone of us that has the ability to cause such reaction is actually gifted and if you do not get a grip of it you can potentially end up mentally ill or healthcare professionals will say you're mentally ill…the unfortunate potential of the indigo children. Since we see with our third eye we are susceptible to mental illness if we do not control either extreme.
Messengers come in all shapes and sizes as Dogstar had his/her experience in one of their posts. It may be scary but sometimes all they are doing is helping. We have so many helpers in other dimensions here on earth trapped in space and time. I believe that the universe has no space and has no time it is simply nothing and so that is where they are. Remember that everything must have balance and so we have heaven v. hell, good v. evil, positive v. negative…how do you see it? What do you believe? Everyone is entitled to see it as they will as everyone believes in something dissimilar or similar, cultured from diverse countries; the beauty of indifference. Such an immense topic for everyone as I am sure everyone here is extremely passionate with their view.
With my search in Shadow People, I have noticed improvement of my connections by remaining neutral but the challenge for me is frequency control. Working on it and I am not attacked anymore. I am still not getting positive results, but better results. They are rather toying with me…maybe I amuse them? I think they are very interested in our emotions…this could be the reason why I sent the shadow man off with my energy emotions…I felt he was displeased when he left. I feel they are searching for control of some sort, held by nature and they do play with animals frequently (earth bound seekers). Maybe they are searching for the very life force that exists in us, only they are looking in the wrong places. I know that they rarely communicate but will make connections with some. I can identify with experiences similar to Kyle. They seem to be trying to deliver messages its just we are not listening and need to change the frequency. I tried to force the shadow man to answer me but he left with no explanation leaving me to believe that his intention was to see my reaction and feel (or try to understand) the connection between human relations (my daughter and I). This shadow man has revealed itself to my daughter as she pointed above my head on the ceiling and say's “No mummy No” for sometime that night. It was actually the same evening prior to the nightmare. From my observation of her and in my recent visions they appear black and hideous with no particular shape…only form is given; if form is desired. In my vision I seen the natural form it was smoggy and had tennicals this is how they absorb information…only face is given if face is desired. I think giving form is our way of coping with something we do not understand and so they adapt to us as it is not their intention to make us fear them. In actuality we are not suppose to see them and when discovered they could become eventful…maybe this is what I am getting? But then why are they trying to directly communicate with some of us? They truly are not products of the earth, spirit or energy worlds and may be less aware then we think. If they truly are extra terrestrial what is it that they could possibly want? They are so advanced but so oblivious. Since we are children of the light, could they be children of the dark?…Seeking us as we seek them but connected in some odd sense.
I have great respect for all different beliefs and religious views in regard to anything paranormal. I myself tend to take the simple view of things as I believe as humans we can tend to think something to death and give meaning to something that has not proven that it had any meaning. As people we want to make sense of everything so we reach into our personal views and try to wrap them around that which we don't understand. To me, if you look at all the forms of life on planet earth, then it is possible that just as many types of life exists in other dimensions or planes. Sometimes a shadow can be the other dimensional version of a monkey or even a big tick. Think about it. A huge shadow that attaches to you that is just a tick on another plane. Maybe half of the things seen by humans are given more credit then it's due and it has no motive or even intellect. It's just a tick. I realize this is a very dissappointing view point as most people are actually more comfortable with a very complex answer. Somehow it just seems more interesting. Still I think it would be very possible for another dimension to have a rich and varied animal, insect, and humanoid population just as we do. Every shadow being seen by different people could really be totally different species. Some could just be curious, some hungry, some territorial and upset by us and some just want to cuddle or mate. My view may not be the norm but it certainly could be a possibility. It may take a century of investigation to really learn what is true.
I guess we will never really know Morkie but that is the beauty of indifference. This is true, what would we find if we could see other dimensions? How many dimensions are there?
This is actually a very scientific approach just as it is spiritual... the problem is most people can only believe what they see and what is proven. Mostly science is composed of theory and probability. Spirituality deals more with creativity and intuition... easier to disprove and harder to believe. I do feel that science to some is a religion to a point and that is why we rely on it so much but it can't sustain all fundamental ideas and concepts. One thing I do know is that energy and matter is a scientific concept as it is spiritual. We can release it and absorb energy (Auras, Reki etc)... there was a test done on ice; one was given negative energy (emotions) and the other positive. It evidenced that the ice given positive energy had frozen up with beautiful shapes and iridescent colors whereas the negative ice did freeze up abnormally. Plants, if we give it love and talk to them they grow abundant and beautiful. So just as the spirit world I think we can manage to give off frequency vibrations in forms of energy and send them out through these dimensions attracting or repelling. If we can control and understand our plain we could potentially understand more of others as you mentioned. I really like the idea of energy and light work I have found positive results especially in Reki and rock therapy treatment. Everything to me is energy and if we could control it, well, maybe we would be extra terrestrial eventually... the laws of physics would be redefined. Aside from positive v. negative energy , I also believe in good v. evil and know that there is something more out there as the spirit world because they communicate to me, because nothing... not even the energy can explain the things we all went through growing up, sisters would agree. See the shadow people like some spirits show intelligence they think for themselves which leads me to believe that it could not be a larger animal type species from another dimension... this is not what I am getting. So I would have to disagree with you Morkie, I honestly don't think your concept is a simple approach... it is just as complicated as others :). But again we believe in what we will and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it... its just a new ideas to challenge everyone's beliefs and open our minds to new concepts. I really do find what you are saying very interesting and would like to hear more. Oh and no one is really crazy here... thats why I like this site :) besides its hard to make these type of connections outside in our normal lives because people will think we are crazy.
Morkie, not sure if you have my email... but I really want to hear more about your theory of dimensions and your experiences in general.
Sorry but I don't have your email. The reason I believe what I do is I have seen shadow beings quite a few times and close up and they were different types and some more ape like. Others have seen taller and more human types. Some have encountered evil types. This is why I came to the conclusion that just like our world has many types of people, and they can be good or bad. We also have animal life here. Why is it such a stretch to believe that other worlds also has such diversity. This is why each person has such a unique experience. There may be many dimensions with life of sorts. This is why I don't think it's possible to try to classify shadow beings as any one type. Mokrie
This one is quite hard to assess... I have been thinking about it and I don't think they are your "personal" guides... and I don't think they are shadow people. For some reason they where trying to connect to you and they have reasons for doing so. I don't believe it is negative because you indicated you where comfortable so, what do they want? What destiny? Or fate? You indicated that you where trying different meditation techniques and is there anything you have been contemplating about for sometime? A dilemma? Or is it hard to make decisions in some area of your personal life? Are you making any spiritual quests or discoveries? If I was you I would ground the meditation and go back. Since you get answers point blank... get the answers to the questions you are seeking.
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Thanks for your reply, yeah, I don't think they're my guides or shadow people now that I've read a bit more about them... but, but I'm not convinced they aren't negative... even though I didn't feel they were... it's strange and will take more time to figure out..
Usually when I have a dilemma I get info as I've pointed out... but this was a paradox.
To me the dilemmas were significant in importance but have found that one greater dilemma above all is a spiritual one...
To answer all of your questions, yes I've been on a spiritual quest, to my surprise, meaning that it wasn't conscious, rather as if my sub-conscious were leading me...
I ended up in Asia with a career change, turning my back on my passion for the first time in my life really and have discovered that the new "career move" isn't what has been keeping me in Asia, rather it's been the opportunity for in depth spiritual study... for big changes in my person... let me stop because I could go on forever...
Dogstar, thanks. Hard to say whether what you saw is the same sort of creature we are trying to investigate. It's not a tradition in which I have delved deeply, but my understanding is Vipissana meditation is meditation without seed, without even a mantra or image to focus on, just inner silence and stillness. Correct? Or am I way off base? It sounds like when you come out of that, you are in a very receptive state. "To hear, one must be silent." You get that silent, you could hear all sorts of things. Receptivity is good, but you might want to check out some of my recent posts on the subject of ouija boards. There's such a thing as being too receptive. If you do it without strong enough boundaries, it's like posting your credit card number on your website. You don't know who or what could take advantage of the access you are creating. The Eastern traditions you are following have ways of dealing with that. There's some specific references in the Tao Te Ching I like that apply. Since you seem to have tapped in to a natural talent of psychic or spiritual sensitivity, you may want to work on honing that, learning to set an intention before you meditate of what specific information you intend to get when you come out. But be careful with this. To quote Ecclesiastes, "With knowledge comes sadness, and with wisdom, much vexation." Honor the gift, and seek to know only what you need to know. Specifically, if you set the intention of wanting this person who appeared to you to come back, so that you can talk with him in more detail, you will want to have some way of taking what he says with a grain of salt. Not every being who claims to want to help you is totally on the level. Most are, but they still want to help you because it suits their agendas.
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Thanks for your reply, yes I'm in agreement with all you say... let me first say that I started with vipassana because I get too much information, and wanted to learn how to control that as well as do some healing and find peace within myself.
In vipassana you focus on your breath on your abdomen and observe and note various phenomena (pain, everyday thoughts, imagination) this makes it hard for you to get sidetracked, as your goal is to observe and continue with watching your breath... however, you can fall into a trance like state... and see things in a quiet space..
I can see events, have spontaneous lucid dreams and astral travel; fly to places I've never been or get answers without vipassana, its easy for me, sometimes all I have to do is shut my eyes. But it can be exhausting as well, and that's not good, hence the need for vipassana
BACK TO MY EARLIER POST:
I saw a Shadow person, all in black, a tall man, without a hat. (I also had an image of a female hand with painted black nail polish)
The message I heard was: "We are here to help you"
And "We are part of your destiny"
... but my feeling was that it wasn't negative.
So this paradox is perplexing, good feeling but cloaked in black shadow and black nails. I don't feel what I saw or heard were guides or shadow people and even though I didn't feel they were negative, I question if they are... for the very reasons you state.
I'm very open and have had issues with recognizing those with their own agenda, even though I'm a New York girl at heart (street wise). I'm aware I've attracted negative energies because of my open-ness, was very hard to get rid of. Been told often times, my spirit is pure I'm working on boundaries, good intentions, cleaning toxic elements etc.
And yes sadness has been a byproduct, I want happiness now and into the light
Dogstar, thanks. Hard to say whether what you saw is the same sort of creature we are trying to investigate. It's not a tradition in which I have delved deeply, but my understanding is Vipissana meditation is meditation without seed, without even a mantra or image to focus on, just inner silence and stillness. Correct? Or am I way off base? It sounds like when you come out of that, you are in a very receptive state. "To hear, one must be silent." You get that silent, you could hear all sorts of things. Receptivity is good, but you might want to check out some of my recent posts on the subject of ouija boards. There's such a thing as being too receptive. If you do it without strong enough boundaries, it's like posting your credit card number on your website. You don't know who or what could take advantage of the access you are creating. The Eastern traditions you are following have ways of dealing with that. There's some specific references in the Tao Te Ching I like that apply. Since you seem to have tapped in to a natural talent of psychic or spiritual sensitivity, you may want to work on honing that, learning to set an intention before you meditate of what specific information you intend to get when you come out. But be careful with this. To quote Ecclesiastes, "With knowledge comes sadness, and with wisdom, much vexation." Honor the gift, and seek to know only what you need to know. Specifically, if you set the intention of wanting this person who appeared to you to come back, so that you can talk with him in more detail, you will want to have some way of taking what he says with a grain of salt. Not every being who claims to want to help you is totally on the level. Most are, but they still want to help you because it suits their agendas.
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Thanks for your reply, yes I'm in agreement with all you say... let me first say that I started with vipassana because I get too much information, and wanted to learn how to control that as well as do some healing and find peace within myself.
In vipassana you focus on your breath on your abdomen and observe and note various phenomena (pain, everyday thoughts, imagination) this makes it hard for you to get sidetracked, as your goal is to observe and continue with watching your breath... however, you can fall into a trance like state... and see things in a quiet space..
I can see events, have spontaneous lucid dreams and astral travel; fly to places I've never been or get answers without vipassana, its easy for me, sometimes all I have to do is shut my eyes. But it can be exhausting as well, and that's not good, hence the need for vipassana
BACK TO MY EARLIER POST:
I saw a Shadow person, all in black, a tall man, without a hat. (I also had an image of a female hand with painted black nail polish)
The message I heard was: "We are here to help you"
And "We are part of your destiny"
... but my feeling was that it wasn't negative.
So this paradox is perplexing, good feeling but cloaked in black shadow and black nails. I don't feel what I saw or heard were guides or shadow people and even though I didn't feel they were negative, I question if they are... for the very reasons you state.
I'm very open and have had issues with recognizing those with their own agenda, even though I'm a New York girl at heart (street wise). I'm aware I've attracted negative energies because of my open-ness, was very hard to get rid of. Been told often times, my spirit is pure I'm working on boundaries, good intentions, cleaning toxic elements etc.
And yes sadness has been a byproduct, I want happiness now and into the light... thanks for taking the depth and time..
Hey I know I haven't posted anything in a while, just thought I would put my two sense in now that I'm a little calmer about the subject. I know a lot of poepl disagree with me basing my ideas of movies and books, but let just say for example the Movie Transformers.. A group if beings came here searching for soemthing and didn't care if they hurt us, then another group of beings came here searching for that very thing but had enough compasion to protect us. Mabe this relation ship is similar... Just a thought. Another thought is mabe just like in the movie The deaths of ian Stone, these creatures feed off are pain and what not, and a few get ourt of hand. Either way I still feel a negative energy given off these beings, whether or not there intentions are good or evil there still made of shadow and shadow has been looked upon as EVIL. The christian Bible speaks of what I think may be a similar being. In egypt Uriel the Angel of death spread across the land claiming the first born child of each family. And isn't it weird that the Grim Reaper is looked upon a similar version of these shadow men. Ironically The grim reaper is Uriel the arch angel of death. Well that's my two cents.
I'm in Alder. Anything I can do to help. I'm just waiting to actually see our shadow person... not in a photo. Patti
I too think it is the cusp of time and veil thing as you said.
I am not sure but I know that 2012 is connected to the time cusp and the beginning of the end.
The Bible never says we can not know when we are in the end of times, it simply says we will not know when THE HOUR Jesus returns is.
Check out mannafest it tells the end and what happens IS in astronomy.
YouTube - Strange Cosmic Signs from 2012-2015 (part 1)
Hi Alder, i have recently been trying to investigate these "shadow people" it seems as though you are becoming quite the scholar when it comes to them. while i do not support you alien theory -because i have my own- i still think its interesting. i would appreciate it if you would share what you have come to learn, and i would like to talk about different topics as well, that still center around the "shadow people". Instead of talking on this forum, i would like you to contact me via email; [email protected] or if you have a myspace, my URL is /readdy2me
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