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Hey, there is a town nearby my city that has a ton of houses with those free mason signs in front of their house/ I have googled it and I understand it is a secret society, but what for? What is it that they do? Secret Society's creep me out personally. Does anyone know anything about this society?
LOL well my husband is a Mason, he was invited into the Lodge because his father was also one. I was a bit creeped out by it too when I first met him. He's been with the society since his early 20s (he's 32 now). Honestly even though I am his wife I don't know exactly what they do when they meet. He never tells me of course; he's taken an oath so he won't reveal what goes on. I know they have certain ceremonies, but what goes on exactly, I have no idea. I was recently invited to join The Order of the Eastern Star myself. It is the sister organization to the Masons, for their wives and daughters. I haven't had a chance to go to a meeting yet, too busy with kids and other things. But if I ever do, maybe I'll share here. Unless of course they'll kill me if I do! :p
When you looked up Masons in Google, did you check out Wikipedia: Freemasonry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ? They have a pretty extensive explanation of the society and how it got started. Their main purpose now, as far as I can tell, is charitable. They give money and take part in community activities, similar to the Lions Club or the Rotary Club. And I think the men like the idea of having their own secret place to go hang out with no women around lol. Just my opinion there.
Here are some good web sites that will give you a lot of iniformation.
Although some of their meetings are "secret" they are far from secret, members have stickers on their cars, they wear rings with their symbol, and their buildings have large signs on them.
Freemasonry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Masonry (Freemasonry)
Freemason Information - Further Light
I would have a problem with that if it were my spouse (and I am by no means a controlling person).Quote:
Originally Posted by orange
Need, I couldn't comment because I had to spread it aorund. I do agree with you that I would be concerned that she doesn't know. I have heard that they are very secretive about what they do so it is not a surprise you can't find a lot about them, Cgirl. My brother knows a lot about them but I couldn't get a hold of him to ask.
Haven't you seen National Treasure?? That's what its all about! Lol ;)
Actually National Treasure is NOT what is all about. My daughter has been involved in Masonic youth organizations for the last 5 years.
Masonry started as a building trade guild prior to the Renaissance. Masons jealousy guarded the secrets of their trade, passing them from journeyman to apprentice. Freemasonry grew from these trade groups and maintained the façade of a secret organization. Free Masons are not largely different from Elks, Rotaries or Knights of Columbus. The main purpose of the organization is philanthropy and community service. They do have certain rituals they conduct during their meetings that are kept secret. But these rituals are simply a very structured way of conducting a meeting.
And to CGirl, if you want to know more, join Eastern Star, which is the women's equivalent.
Yeah I'm sure it would bother a lot of people, but honestly, it really doesn't bother me. I trust him that he's not doing anything illegal or immoral. I look at it sort of the same as, he can't always tell me what he does at work either, because of patient confidentiality. I know that's not exactly the same thing, but it feels the same to me. He was in the Masons for a few years before I met him too, so it's not something new since we've been together. It's always been part of my relationship with him. Plus I may be joining the female version myself soon. So I will basically "find out" if and when I do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
And Scott is absolutely right; they mostly exist as a charitable organization these days.
My wife's grandfather was a mason. He was a man of integrity, faith, and honor.
Yes... they have rituals we won't understand. At his funeral they had a whole ceremony that was obviously a masonic ritual.
While the idea of a closed society can be unnerving, I can tell you this man would never have been a part of something that wasn't wholesome, just, and of the highest integrity.
I named my son after him, and if I am just half the man he was, I'm doing a good job.
Go for it. You might as well have your night out a week too. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by orange
Thanks for all of the info everyone, I think I am beginning to understand more about it now... I guess "secret society" just throws everyone off at first.
Yep, its more of a secretive organization, then some ultra secret society plotting nefarious deeds.
That's just what they want you to think!! Its all a cover-up he he heQuote:
Originally Posted by ScottGem
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Freemasonry has pretty evil ties that are very well hidden. It takes some serious research to get to the facts which many consider lies. My take is it has NWO ties and to stay away from it. I have much more info on this subject but I do not share it openly. They have skeletons in their closets. MANY.
Hypatia
There wasn't enough room in the comments for me to say all I wanted to about this garbage. Given the roster of people who have been Freemasons in the past (Like George Washington, Will Rogers, Teddy Roosevelt and MANY others), given the Masons I have personally met and been friends with. There is no way there is a evil side to them. I have no clue what NWO is, but I think this borders on Libel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypatia
New World Order? At least I think that's what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottGem
I think it's interesting that Masons were targeted as political prisoners in Nazi Germany and that between 100,000 - 200,000 of them were killed. Hitler and Nazi Party accused them of being aligned with the Jews and wanting to create a World Republic.
Hi,
Masons contribute much, much to America.
George Washington, Abe Lincoln, etc, etc, and on and on were Masons.
The Shriners in VA help children, contribute to charities, and are among the "tops" of Masons.
The only "secrecy" is that one has to be ask another member about it. There are no "membership" drives, as other organizations. They also have their own funeral rights, with a short eulogy after a funeral.
Free Masons were started when this country was founded, doing charity work, and enjoying life. My Aunt is a member of Eastern Star, a womans' ties to Masonry, with charitable work all over our county in VA. Masons have a long tradition, and will continue to have for the future generations.
Hi, again,
I have asked the Administration to change my "approval" comment to "disapproval" comment, in Hypatia's answer.
I mistakenly left it on "approval", and meant it to be "disapproval".
Thank you. And best wishes.
LOL well at this point baby would have to come with me, as I am breastfeeding. But I guess I could take him along. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
The joys of "expressing" may benefit you. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by orange
LOLL I haven't tried that yet, but yes it would be awesome and would allow me a break now and then. I'm a bit paranoid about having him on a bottle though, because he took some time to latch on, and my friend with 2 kids said they sometimes reject the breast afterwards. But it's a good idea to try, because I'm pretty tired from having to wake up every 2-3 hours or so to feed him.
Yea nipple confusion can be an issue. With our kids the breastfeeding part didn't go well so we resorted to formula after a month. I need much less sleep than my wife so I was able to have a little extra bonding time night and the wife slept - win/win.
Good for you Orange for breastfeeding by the way, I breastfed my son until he was 11 months, but some good advice to you too would be to start giving them a bottle soon as well, otherwise you will never get out of the house! I waited too long to start doing this and he REFUSED to take a bottle, and it was absolutely murder trying to wean him. Just some words of the wise. Best wishes, breast milk is the best thing for babies! (I wanted to put this as a comment on your post but the dang system wouldn't let me :))
=) a little off topic, eh? But since it was brought up...
Our son breastfed for the first year and a few months. For the first, oh I don't know... maybe 2.5 months we did no bottle, as momma stayed home from work. Then when momma worked she was able to come home sometimes and sometimes not, so we used a bottle w breastmilk. But there was no problem going back and forth.
And at the end, about a year and 2-3 months it was kind of his idea to stop... he just accepted the bottle and didn't fuss much about wanting momma.
Thanks for the advice on breastfeeding, everyone... in the thread on Masons no less! LOL!! Maybe I should try the bottle soon... in a couple of weeks or so. I understand what you mean about being stuck at home Cgirl... that's what's happened to my one friend. She's never spent more than an hour away from her kids since they were born, and her oldest is almost 4 now!! As much as I love my baby, I don't think I could handle that.
A happy mommy = happy baby.
Yes, this thread sure took a turn didn't it? Yea, I would maybe wait a couple of weeks and then try the bottle, this way you can do both, and then your husband can get involved in the feedings sometimes too, this would probably make him feel good.
Orange, I am not sure if every one else was talking about formula in a bottle but you can try to pump then give the baby some. It'll be the best of both worlds. My wife pumped, wasn't easy but she did it. My first son was OK with the bottle but we did it more often. My second son would not eat out of a bottle right from the beginning until he had to. We went away for 3 days and by the next day he must have realized this was his only chance to eat. I thought it would take him awhile to wean off the breast but we put him on formula at about 11 months and he did great and weaned himself off. It all depends on the individual.
So how about the free masons? :D
Okay back to free masons topic, I started a new thread about breastfeeding:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/pregna...ing-25678.html
I think that the whole idea of Free Mason's being evil, and connected to the satanic church is an urban legend. It sounds like they are a lot like any other organization, like the Kiwanas Club or the Shriners. I think some people who make these accusations need to look more into it, like I am doing. I have learned not to believe everything you hear, and to look into something more thoroughly before I judge someone/something. If everyone was like this, a lot of conflicts would be stopped before they ever even started.
The problem, or course, being the hidden information. Why would such a charitable organization be so secretive in their workings? I am not saying they are "evil" or "satanic"... Im just saying they are not as they appear ;)
Yea, I know what you mean. I don't get the whole secretive thing either. I guess that's why I originally started this thread. Why all of the secrets? I guess that is their right to do this, I just think it's weird that they are so secretive. I don't know. They seem like a good organization though, for the most part.
Here is a good website that I found about FreeMasons...
Freemasonry Explained
I don't doubt that they do good things. I am really not familiar with the organization myself at all... it just seems to me that some people here seem to think they know exactly what they do. If people who are not masons know exactly what goes on and what they do and its just a charitable club, why would they bother trying to keep anything secret? Ya know? What's the point of being a "Secret Society" (which they have been known as sine the beginning of time) if people know what your doing... and if what you are doing is what people are describing here.
Yea, I see your point. These are questions which remain to be unanswered
Hmmm... interesting article.
However, my chronic paranoia and conspiriecy theories tell me that is the Masonic Façade, while in the deeper dwellings of the Masonic Lodges lies the agenda of the greatest minds in the world
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Lol
Lets try to break this up a bit. This whole labeling of Freemasonry as a "secret society" is a bit off. The only thing secret about them is the rituals they go through at meetings. Meetings are very structured with specific things being said at specific points. Movements are precise and according to patterns. And the like. Its nothing more sinister then the secret handshake you may have had between your friends as a youth.
There is nothing secret about their purpose, their doings etc.
So you need to look separately at what is secret and what isn't. They are not a "secret society" with secret goals and plans. They are nothing more than a philantrhopic, community service organization that maintains the privacy of their meeting ritual.
Thanks Scottgem, I think I have a better understanding. I don't think they are bad in anyway, I just wonder what their secret rituals are. But I guess I would have to join to find that out. Thanks for all of the info.
So some of you believe that just because a groups outward appearance is charitable, seemingly healthy and just a normal type organization, that they could never be involved with more nefarious schemes? Next Im going to hear GWB is a good guy and he truly means well. There are orgs all over the world going back hundreds of years with secret social and political ties. To look at the surface and make a judgement is pretty shallow. I urge you all to do some research and you will not only find roses but you will find the thorns.
I have been with Job's Daughters, had dinners with these people and while the lower ranking masons are great people, average people, to get into the top degrees unspoken rankings it takes more than typical familial ties.
Ever wonder why almost every president is a mason?
Try doing a bit of research into these things. It isnt just a topic for conspiracy theorists. these ties lead to so many organizations like PNAC for instance.
Its more than secret handshakes and symbology. The symbolism alone goes back to some evil stuff. You just gotta dig far enough and look hard enough to find it.
Just because I do not go into detail with my information doesnt mean i am speculative.
Do not condemn my opinions because they differ from your own. That is so immature.
Hypatia
Are you a Psychic?
But couldn't this be said of a lot of organizations, that the average members are good people whereas the top leaders are corrupt? Not that I believe it, but I've heard this very same thing being said about the Roman Catholic Church, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypatia
If I (or someone else on the forum) wanted to do more research on Freemasonry, where would you suggest I start? There is a lot of stuff out there about the Masons, but how do you tell the garbage from what's actually true? What are some of your sources and how did you come to the conclusions that you've reached?
I'm not attacking you, I really am sincerely interested, especially since my husband is in the organization.
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