Ask Me Help Desk - Jehovah or Allah

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Being there is no argument that that Jews, Christians, and Muslims trace there roots to Abraham, there can be no doubt that they have come from the same tree, and that they have established different branches is irrelevant. History has taught us that man has chosen instead of bonding to that fact that we are the same, man has done everything in his power to argue and war, on the fact that they are different in an effort to divide and reap the spoils of that division for power over the minds of the people, to enrich not the people who follow as sheep, but control the wealth that the division of man offers, for their own agendas. This has been played out for all to see, but since we put so much into man, we have forgotten Gods' way as the lust for superiority is the norm and has been for centuries of mans history. In other words man exploiting man has enriched those so much as to forget and subvert, the real meaning of God himself and is being used to this day as an excuse to kill and destroy all those that see the truth, but in the name of whatever, to enrich the few against the many. I really don't care the book you subscribe to, History provides all the fact you need to back up my argument of those that claim superiority in Gods name, have divided and conquered for their own sake and mankind suffers that division. Sorry Morganite, history tells the truth of man, and the facts are irrefutable.

Talaniman,

As a relationship expert, especially if you are a professional cousellor, you will rely on histories to develop a case work plan for those you must advise. If that is the case, then you will be aware that histories are the most unreliable form of reconstructing past events. History is only reliable if it is accurate.

History does not always tell the truth. As Father David Laine was fond of saying, "History is lies made up by the conqueror; and sometimes by the conquered."

Truth and truth alone is reliable, regardless of the source of any particular truth..

M:)RGANITE

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Originally Posted by Morganite

Talaniman,

As a relationship expert, especially if you are a professional cousellor, you will rely on histories to develop a case work plan for those you must advise. If that is the case, then you will be aware that histories are the most unreliable form of reconstructing past events. History is only reliable if it is accurate.

History does not always tell the truth. As Father David Laine was fond of saying, "History is lies made up by the conqueror; and sometimes by the conquered."

Truth and truth alone is reliable, regardless of the source of any particular truth..

M:)RGANITE

You can't expect a blanket statement to refute the fact there is only one God and exactly what part of history is it your bringing forth as evidence that I am wrong?? What is this truth, your bible? And where in your bible does it state there is more than one God. By what do you think he is only a christian god? No one has proven he is not the God of us all.

Quran chapter /surah 021 verse/ayat 030
" Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"

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Originally Posted by talaniman

You can't expect a blanket statement to refute the fact there is only one God and exactly what part of history is it your bringing forth as evidence that I am wrong??? What is this truth, your bible?? And where in your bible does it state there is more than one God. By what do you think he is only a christian god?? No one has proven he is not the God of us all.

I did not mention the Bible, God, a universal God, a Christian God, so I do not understand the source of your apparent anger. My remark was a simple statement that any history is at best a partial account from a particular perspective, and at worst tissue of lies told either to elevate or denigrate particular groups, and in either case is extremely unlikely to be 100% accurate.

If you are a relationship counsellor, you will have heard variant accounts of the same event hundreds, if not thousands, of times. I do not agree with Henry Ford's declaration that 'History is junk,' but I recommend that any history is approached with a good deal of suspicion wherever it is found, for there is often more than a touch of "The Little Tailor" in most histories.

Histories are recorded and interpreted by men with frailties and causes to plead. Cultural pressures, desires, traditions, customs, and ambitions colour histories, so who would implicitly trust any history without deconstruction, except someone who was complicit with the historians whose work they fulsomely approve without any application of their critical faculties?

For example, whose account of the Peloponnesian Wars is the most accurate, and how does one decide how and why it is? History is always to be suspected whatever its source. As has been remarked, "Faith is a good dog, but it is doubt that gets you an education."

If you will show me where you think I made references to those thing to which you objected in my post I will try to explain myself further. I do not seek to quarrel with you.

M:)RGANITE

What I wanted was a quote from scripture that refuted the one God argument put forth in this thread, and not to worry I do so not out of anger, but challenge to those who set the truth, and cannot even see what they themselves have said, and yes we get to the truth through question and investigation. Just my opinion, but its to easy to point out difference and not acknowledge the similarities, when those differences leads to wars, slavery, and entire populations exploited, and exterminated. Can we not agree that religion has been used by the powerful to acquire wealth, and more power and to control the sheep thus cementing their power. I think the one thing we can take from this thread is that everyone thinks their right(even me) but none of us concedes that if we believe in one God how come its not OUR God we are talking about?? Forget the traditions and dogma.

Dear GOD.
It's starting again. Please destroy us now.
Thank you. Amen

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Originally Posted by talaniman

What I wanted was a quote from scripture that refuted the one God argument put forth in this thread, and not to worry I do so not out of anger, but challenge to those who set the truth, and cannot even see what they themselves have said, and yes we get to the truth thru question and investigation. Just my opinion, but its to easy to point out difference and not acknowledge the similarities, when those differences leads to wars, slavery, and entire populations exploited, and exterminated. Can we not agree that religion has been used by the powerful to acquire wealth, and more power and to control the sheep thus cementing their power. I think the one thing we can take from this thread is that everyone thinks their right(even me) but none of us concedes that if we believe in one God how come its not OUR God we are talking about??? Forget the traditions and dogma.

The title of the question is Jehovah or Allah, so which one is 'our' God will depend on whether you are Jewish, Christian, or Muslim.

I will agree within you that religion in one form or another has often been at the center of social and political controversy, and has also, from time to time, supported trends and movements that are questionable, particularly in light of modern Western thinking. But that past has gone, and the majority of religious in the world today exert a positive force for good wherever they are and whatever God they follow.

Those you describe as 'the sheep' are not as easy to cement to ideals that are not their own, or to which they do not subscribe, as they were back in the days when masters had absoloute authority over their lackeys, serfs, vassals, hobbits, minions, and slaves.

As both religion and society have entered new phases in both spirituality and socal structures and relationships, so we must update our thinking to keep up with them or else we petrify into useless fossils.

M:)