Ask Me Help Desk - What is god?

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Originally Posted by imation

haha, funny you should mention Harry Potter, there is such an underlying Christian theme in those books, think about it

What is the underlying christian theme??

OK you can figure it out yourself, I'll start you off with a list of characters
Dumbldore is God
Voldemort is Satin
Harry is Jesus
The DA in book 5 - diciples of christ
There's heaps more... the way no one in the ministry believes in harry in book 4 but it turned out to be true that voldemort was back, that's like the pharessi's not believing in christ, in book seven harry sacrifices himself so that everyone will live buthe dies and lives in the end, the death eaters are like demons

Now that u mention it seems like an exact copy of bible

Lol, not exact but some key element are the same.
CS lewis wrote the Chronicles of Narnia to explain christianity to his children, the movie is about the sacrifice of christ (asslan the lion being christ)

God is like WWF wrestling , everyone knows its fake . Everyone knows it is the ultimate stupidity . But it feels good and it generates a lot of money , so lets all pretend we don't know .

Mystries of nature may just be a part of physic that have been undiscovered. However, it's the emotional belief of god that existed within human that tries to explain the current unknown. When human are scared, they usually back away from the truth and try to sabotage the truth. That's the human psychology and its within our nature to be defensive. Having said All that I believe there is no real answer to this question, at least not with our current technology.

Dear sir : where did you get the idea that nothing is impossible ?
Doesn't this mean that EVERYTHING is possible ? Have you ever thought
About what you just said ? Everything is possible ? Can I turn into Elvis ?
Yes sir that is exactly what you just said .
Anything is possible ? You mean nothing is impossible ? Can I put the statue of liberty
In my pocket? This is my problem with religious people , they just memorize a bunch of
Half baked meaningless cliche's and just repeat them without even thinking or caring
Whether they make sense . Jesus loves you , how many time have you heard that crap ?
How the hell do they know that Jesus loves me ? May be my name is Adolph Hitler ,
If Jesus loves Adolph Hitler then screw Jesus . Good day to all you good people.

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Originally Posted by bijan666

Dear sir : where did you get the idea that nothing is impossible ?
doesn't this mean that EVERYTHING is possible ? have you ever thought
about what you just said ? everything is possible ? can I turn into Elvis ?
yes sir that is exactly what you just said .
Anything is possible ? you mean nothing is impossible ? can I put the statue of liberty
in my pocket ?

What he meant might be "everything logical is possible."u can't turn into Elvis.But if u try hard u can become a singer like Elvis.all your examples seem illogical.:p

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Originally Posted by bijan666

Jesus loves you , how many time have you heard that crap ?
How the hell do they know that Jesus loves me ? may be my name is Adolph Hitler ,
if Jesus loves Adolph Hitler then screw Jesus .

God loves everybody.Jesus even forgave the disciple who gave him away.
Besides what happened to jews during Hitler's time was punishment from God himself for killing Jesus.It was fate.Hitler was just an instrument in the hands of God.THIS IS MY BELIEF.I AM NOT AGAINST JEWS OR ANYTHING.

God is someone you fully turst.

Frm my side.

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Originally Posted by Cho

what he meant might be "everything logical is possible."u can't turn into Elvis.But if u try hard u can become a singer like Elvis.all your examples seem illogical.:p

Or he might have meant that "the state of nothingness is impossible".

God is an opinion. Some people believe in god and some don't. People believe in different gods but also that there is only one god. Its different depepnding on different religions. Its all opinion

Cho, some scholars now think Jesus never existed. There were no secular writers of his day that mentioned him. He was mentioned about forty years later or more, like some legends, Robin Hood, and a few others. Very strange
If he did the miracles then he should have drawn the attention of hundreds of comtemporary writers but did not, leading many to think no miracles were performed. He also never left any writings in his own hand (maybe they were lost) This indicates that Jesus was illiterate as were the apostles or again he neve existed but was made up.

workerbee

Jesus is mentioned not only in bible but in quran as well.Do u mean to say both these may be incorrect.Man you are questioning christianity as well as islam!!

Hey cho just agreeing with you there is a god and prayer does work if you ever tired it you can't expect things to happen for you straight away nor can you ask for rediculas things like a million dollars god is practical and he loves each and everyone of us here on earth...
Question... can you see the wind.. no but you know it is there.. we can't see god but we know that he is there

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Originally Posted by Capuchin

Or he might have meant that "the state of nothingness is impossible".

I didn't get you.

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Originally Posted by Cho

Jesus is mentioned not only in bible but in quran as well.Do u mean to say both these may be incorrect.Man you are questioning christianity as well as islam!!!

Correct!

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

Touch the air, get a photo of the air, but I feel it when it blows

Have you looked at the sky? Air is completely visible, it's blue when seen from perpendicular to the illumination direction, and red when viewed towards the illumination direction.

Cho, you have to read what I say. I know Jesus is mentioned but NOT during his life ANYWHERE, that's a fact. He is only mentioned 40 years and more after he died. So some scholars say because of this he might not of existed at all. I question not only Christianity, and Islam but every religion everywhere. Basically I give facts and you ignore them to believe what you want. Doesn't matter to me.

Mummy duck, You can think that prayer works, but you ignore the RESEARCH prayer does not work at all. It may help people who believe in God by lessening depression or anxiety but not the problem itself If a person has a damaged spine you can pray till you are blue in the face and nothing will happen.
I never said asking for money I am talking about real healings that's a fact.

Never underestimate the power of denial

workerbee

No one really knows for sure what god is though

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Originally Posted by workerbee

If a person has a damaged spine you can pray till you are blue in the face and nothing will happen.
workerbee

There is a boundary between logic and faith.

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Originally Posted by Cho

There is a boundary between logic and faith.

I don't understand. What logic are you referring to?

I am just refferring to logical thinking like using our brain.

If I saw a man with a damaged spine I would get him medical help and pray to god that he gets well fast.

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Originally Posted by workerbee

Cho, you have to read what i say. I know Jesus is mentioned but NOT during his life ANYWHERE, that's a fact. he is only mentioned 40 years and more after he died. So some scholars say because of this he might not of existed at all. I question not only Christianity, and Islam but every religion everywhere. Basically I give facts and you ignore them to believe what you want. Doesn't matter to me.
workerbee

I do read every answer and I do think before answering.

I only meant to ask whether you think the whole genealogy of Jesus as well was made up?

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Originally Posted by Cho

I am just refferring to logical thinking like using our brain.

If i saw a man with a damaged spine i would get him medical help and pray to god that he gets well fast.

Shouldn't just praying do the trick?

My logic asks me to act first and pray later.God is not a miracle waiting to happen.

Ah, so you rely on the fruits of science first.

From your last replies Cho, I think you are an Atheist waititng to happen.Your thinking and a realist as well. Good. As far as Jesus goes I personally believe that he existed but was just a man, my point is that it does not matter what I believe if the research says he never existed. His geneolgy is off if he never existed obviously but no one can say for sure. I was just giving another veiwpoint on him.

workerbee

I also believe Jesus to be a man not an ordinary one like as though.I mean he never told he is the god.Besides he always used to refer God as his father.So clearly there was someone above him.

I'm not an atheist.I am spiritual but not religious.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Ah, so you rely on the fruits of science first.

And it is my belif that science has progressed this much due to God's grace.

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Originally Posted by Cho

God loves everybody.Jesus even forgave the disciple who gave him away.
Besides what happened to jews during Hitler's time was punishment from God himself for killing Jesus.It was fate.Hitler was just an instrument in the hands of God.THIS IS MY BELIEF.I AM NOT AGAINST JEWS OR ANYTHING.

Cho, I am sorry but I really have to question you on this one. You have contradicted yourself severely in these two lines.

Besides that this is not the God I believe in. Jesus died so that we could have his message of loving others more than ourselves--as he loved us more than himself. (workerbee, whether he was immortal or not he died for a message) As I believe, it is not a Christian God you are describing as vengeful (maybe an OT God) but that God could not have created the entire universe because he would be little better than us and we can't even comprehend the entire universe.

Cmm, if you read some of my posts jesus may not have existed at all. Whether he did or not what you might not know is: When Jesus was killed his brother James became the leader Not peter as most people think . He was so loved that he became known as james the just. The point is that he taught something diiferent than what people BELIEVE jesus taught. So now it is believed that what Jesus supposely taught may not be what you think

Good to hear from you again.

workerbee

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Originally Posted by workerbee

Cmm, if you read some of my posts jesus may not have existed at all. Whether he did or not what you might not know is: When Jesus was killed his brother James became the leader Not peter as most people think . He was so loved that he became known as james the just. the point is that he taught something diiferent than what people BELIEVE jesus taught. So now it is believed that what Jesus supposely taught may not be what you think

Good to hear from you again.

workerbee

Does it really matter? If the message can change the world (if people follow it) do the details of how we got it really affect the message?

(Don't really know I am actually asking--please note I am not asking about the details, i.e. whether Jesus existed)

I was taking a break from arguing--sorry "debating."

Cho--do you still think it is possible that God is a large amount of energy? Have you gleaned any new ideas from all of this about your original question?

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Originally Posted by CMM_Kaleido

As I believe, it is not a Christian God you are describing as vengeful (maybe an OT God) but that God could not have created the entire universe because he would be little better than us and we can't even comprehend the entire universe.

Who is the christian god? Jesus? He never told he was god.Did he? Though I believe Jesus was no ordinary mortal.

I am sorry that I told god was vengeful.my mistake.I must say, that incident was just an aftermath or consequence of what they did to Jesus.

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Originally Posted by workerbee

Cmm, if you read some of my posts jesus may not have existed at all. Whether he did or not what you might not know is: When Jesus was killed his brother James became the leader Not peter as most people think . He was so loved that he became known as james the just. the point is that he taught something diiferent than what people BELIEVE jesus taught. So now it is believed that what Jesus supposely taught may not be what you think

Good to hear from you again.

workerbee

Where did you get this.May I know the source

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Originally Posted by CMM_Kaleido

Cho--do you still think it is possible that God is a large amount of energy? Have you gleaned any new ideas from all of this about your original question?

Now I think this was a silly question.Actually I needed an explanation based on science.and I posted this question under science.But someone probably moderators moved this under religion.Nobody got an exact answer.

The ultamatium of all ultamatiums.

I moved this to religion because it is not science in any way. It's religious speculation. I also don't believe that science and God are mutually exclusive at all. It might be if you are a biblical literalist, but I think that this viewpoint is plainly ridiculous in the light of scientific work.

God and science are compatible, if someone thinks that they are at odds then they need to learn more about science or look more closely at their faith. I have a very dedicated Christian friend who is applying for a PhD in astrophysics, he accepts evolution, the big bang, and other scientific theories based on the evidence for them, but still has room for the Christian God in his worldview.

There are things that science currently has no explanation for, and things that may never be explained by science. God can fit in here. The idea of a God is slightly ugly under scientific principles, because he cannot be observed or measured, but it's still a possibility that science doesn't rule out.

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Originally Posted by Cho

Where did you get this.May I know the source

Cho, This was from years of reading Biblical scholars. You can find lots on his brother James the just, who became the Bishop of Jerusalem, A very powerful position at the time. Today we have the Pauline Christainity James taught something different than what we see today. Example Jesus never wanted non-jews in his church. Remember there was all kind of politics as well. Over the years messages change the way people are inclined to believe.

Wokrerbee