And there is no objective evidence to confirm that afterlife does not exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Credendovidis
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And there is no objective evidence to confirm that afterlife does not exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Credendovidis
Creator is all merciful...
As you sow so shall you reap...
If you are thirsty, you will go all the way out to quench your thirst.
Similarly, if you want to know the truth... Search... Search...
You will get the answer...
He knows the best on whom the divine knowledge can be bestowed upon.
Hi everyone... I would like to submit this for everyone's thoughts:
BIBLE STUDY MANUALS: SHEOL, GEHENNA, HADES AND THE AFTERLIFE - A BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE
BIBLE STUDY MANUALS: IMMORTALITY, EVERLASTING LIFE
That is what you BELIEVE... But is it "true" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by kajatamu
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I never stated that it does not exist. I stated that there is no evidence for it. How can anyone prove a negative claim anyway? But it is clear that you can neither provide objective evidence for the positive claim: that an afterlife exists... And that is much easier to prove than a negative claim...Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna Mae
So you BELIEVE it exists. Fine with me... But is that "true"?
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Crede, until your death you will not know if an afterlife exists or not,but for us we believe and work towards it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Credendovidis
Why does it matter if we are not able to prove to your satisfaction if there is or isn't an afterlife beyond death?
I almost know how you will answer... almost:)
Well than : here is my reply :Quote:
Originally Posted by firmbeliever
Like me, you just as well won't be able to really "know" that just as well. All you can do is BELIEVE that. Only problem with your version is that both of us after our death won't be capable of "knowing" anything, as one is dead by then. For me that does not change anything, but for you it seems to defeat the entire intention of the claim!
You BELIEVE there is an afterlife, and I see no reason what-so-ever to accept that claim. Fine for you if that claim helps you to go through life, but it is a claim. Not even a single iota of objective supporting evidence for that claim exists.
You do not have to prove for me anything, as long as you acknowledge that that is what you BELIEVE. If you claim it as "true", as reality, than I am entitled to ask you for objective supporting proof for whatever you claim, but can not support.
Why can't you just state that "you BELIEVE that there is an afterlife", or that "you BELIEVE that there is a God", etc.
The refusal to state that correctly seems to indicate that there is somewhere in your brain some doubt gnawing away at your own belief, and all you seem to do is trying to sooth that feeling with attacking my correct and on itself respectfull approach in this.
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Crede,Quote:
Originally Posted by Credendovidis
I have never refused to use the word "believe" when I state my beliefs even though I believe them to be true :)
I am not sure what doubt you meant,but I have never doubted my faith.
And no I am not here to prove to you what I believe,I was just asking why you needed people to show proof of their beliefs,
What does it matter even if they do not use the word believe,we believe our beliefs are true and what we follow is right because we believe it to be the truth.
If I did not believe my beliefs to be true I would not be following it,but would be rejecting the very idea of the faith I follow.
I am just stating my thoughts here and not to make you want to debate my claims of belief.
I am not one to debate,as you must have already heard.:D
That may be correct for you personally. The problem on this board is that people do make claims, but can not provide objective supporting evidence for their claims. And if I ask for that support they claim that I have no respect for their religion - which is surely not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by firmbeliever
By making claims that you can not support, and than query my reaction, you provide that perception.Quote:
Originally Posted by firmbeliever
You do not have to prove that what you believe. Nobody has. But you and others should be honest and fair, and state that you believe (what ever you claim), instead of suggesting it is an actual fact. Note that it is a claim. Your and every other religious belief !Quote:
Originally Posted by firmbeliever
You can do that on the christianity board. But here on this board everybody's views have the equal validity. Here you have to be clear and correct in your wording. And religious based statements are claims, not facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by firmbeliever
It does not matter if YOU believe whatever you believe. Here on this board it is relevant that whatever you state can be supported. Otherwise it are claims, not facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by firmbeliever
You can state your thoughts, but as these are related to religious claims, I can ask you to provide objective supporting evidence for your claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by firmbeliever
That is a cowardess attitude. You make claims, but as soon as you are asked to prove what you claim, you shy away and state that you are not here to debate. If you are not here to debate, why don't you stay at the Christianity Board, where you are covered by board restrictions? Here on this board the rules are different. And you know that very well !Quote:
Originally Posted by firmbeliever
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Sorry to say Crede,but if I were to say my thoughts and beliefs on the Christianity board I just might be chased away from there too.. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Credendovidis
I don't belong there either!
No problem firmbeliever... It's hard, but someone has to do it!! LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by firmbeliever
:D :p ;) :rolleyes: :D
If you have gave your life to jesus christ then you go 2 heaven. And you will have an eternal life. And if you don't give it 2 christ then you will burn in hell eternaly.
Let me make this clear : that is of course what you BELIEVE!!Quote:
Originally Posted by andy305mia
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