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galveston · Nov 9, 2009, 05:12 PM

I know that many or maybe even most Christians think that there will be a one world government under the Anti-Christ.

I am a Christian, but I do NOT think that will happen. I think the ONLY one world government will be under Jesus Christ after His return.

If you think there will be a one world government under Anti-Christ, I would like to see the Scriptures that you base that on.

Maranatha.

ETWolverine · Nov 10, 2009, 08:27 AM

Nope. Never going to happen. Even after the Messiah comes, individuals and groups of individuals will have their own interests, needs and desires. As long as that is true, there can never be a single world government that represents them all.

The only difference will be how these various governments will handle their differences. The fact that there will be different governments will not change.

Elliot

N0help4u · Nov 10, 2009, 06:56 PM

I believe they are going to use the global warming/climate change thing as a means to get some sort of one world order. I don't believe it is going to come to completion or be successful but I believe they are going to have some sort of one world order to some degree.

paraclete · Nov 11, 2009, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by galveston

I know that many or maybe even most Christians think that there will be a one world government under the Anti-Christ.

I am a Christian, but I do NOT think that will happen. I think the ONLY one world government will be under Jesus Christ after His return.

If you think there will be a one world government under Anti-Christ, I would like to see the Scriptures that you base that on.

Maranatha.

I expect there will be attempts to establish it. We are seeing the development of trade blocs now which will effectively reduce the number of governments. You can see in the way the EU has developed how the process works. First lowering barriers to trade, then a common currency this is followed by a central law making body, so next we can expect a United States of North America and the US and CHina are already in lock step on currency, they are now so mutually dependent that they might as well broaden their relationship. The prophesies regarding the anti-christ don't suggest one world government but very powerful blocs. We must avoid reading these prophesies as being all inclusive

450donn · Nov 12, 2009, 04:00 PM

Please go back and read Daniel and Revelation. Therein you will find your answer. The anti-christ will establish a one world rule after the rapture and before the second coming of Christ to earth. Believe it, don't believe it, I really don't care, If it does not happen as I believe I am not worried, because it is in the end Gods plan, and as a follower of Christ we are not suppose to worry about what will happen, only that we are prepared.

paraclete · Nov 12, 2009, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by 450donn

Please go back and read Daniel and Revelation. Therein you will find your answer. The anti-christ will establish a one world rule after the rapture and before the second coming of Christ to earth. Believe it, don't believe it, I really don't care, If it does not happen as I believe I am not worried, because it is in the end Gods plan, and as a follower of Christ we are not suppose to worry about what will happen, only that we are prepared.

Once the Rapture comes I am not very concerned about what is going to happen

galveston · Nov 14, 2009, 05:54 PM

Well, the point is that if we see the formation of that 10 state alliance, then we have a further sign that the rapture is getting really near.

I understand that the rapture COULD take place before then, of course.

But prophecy is given for us to understand the times we live in, and if we properly inform people, then perhaps more will realize that the Bible is relevant after all.

paraclete · Nov 14, 2009, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by galveston

Well, the point is that if we see the formation of that 10 state alliance, then we have a further sign that the rapture is getting really near.

I understand that the rapture COULD take place before then, of course.

But prophecy is given for us to understand the times we live in, and if we properly inform people, then perhaps more will realize that the Bible is relevant after all.

We have gone past the ten state alliance in Europe, someone is busy trying to form one in Asia/Pacific, But we could do Australia/New Zealand and add a few Pacific states, it is all very how you like it

galveston · Nov 15, 2009, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

We have gone past the ten state alliance in Europe, someone is busy trying to form one in Asia/Pacific, But we could do Australia/New Zealand and add a few Pacific states, it is all very how you like it

None of those fit the prophecies.

In the study of prophecy, it is like a picture puzzle. Every detail has to fit. Sometimes we think something fits, but it doesn't quite do so. Then we look for another piece of the puzzle.

All end time prophecies deal with Israel, and the nations that interact with her. The 10 kings have to be out of the old empires that opressed Israel in the past. That is why they are seen on the fourth beast (Rome) in Daniel's vision.

Dan 7:7
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
(KJV)

Rome itself never had the 10 horns, so they apply to the end time, but they are historically connected to Rome.

John saw the beast with 10 horns also.
Rev 12:3
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
(KJV)

Only, John is seeing the complete conspiracy of Satan from the time he deceived 1/3 of the angels to the very end time.

The beast of Rev. has 7 crowns because finally Anti-Christ defeats 3 kings and makes himself #7. Now he rules the alliance which becomes the 8th and final government that will oppress Israel.

katieokell · Nov 22, 2009, 09:43 PM

I feel like there could be a one-world government, but only under extreme circumstances.
For example (not that I believe this) if aliens were to attack and threaten the planet, I feel like the world would unite under a common cause. (even in that case, there could be a few countries that could side with the aliens, or decide to fight them in a different way, etc)
In the world we currently have, citizens of all nations are not united on a common cause. In fact, the exact opposite - we are encouraged to continue to re-enforce boundaries instead of try to diminish them.

It would be pretty amazing if it were possible, though.

adam7gur · Nov 24, 2009, 06:56 AM

Luke 4:5-6 (New International Version)

5 The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6 And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to.

Jesus never said that the devil lied about this and that the kingdoms of the world are not given to him.
So under one government or under many we know who is behind them. The devil likes power and authority and he manipulates men and women and nations to achieve his goal.
We will see the rising of the last worldly empire , the one that will combine the Babylonian,the MedoPersian,the Greek and the Roman and this will be the antichrist's power.It is said that this empire will be Europe.America's super power is fading and it is passed to Europe.
A Modern Tower of Babel
There is a sign inside the European parliament saying '' we will finish what our father Nimrod (the founder of Babel) started ''.

NeedKarma · Nov 24, 2009, 07:02 AM

According to the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster there is no such thing as as a one world government. It is preached that as long as The Eight "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts" are followed we can all live together with our differences.

RAmen.

galveston · Nov 24, 2009, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by adam7gur

Luke 4:5-6 (New International Version)

5 The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6 And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to.

Jesus never said that the devil lied about this and that the kingdoms of the world are not given to him.
So under one government or under many we know who is behind them. The devil likes power and authority and he manipulates men and women and nations to achieve his goal.
We will see the rising of the last worldly empire , the one that will combine the Babylonian,the MedoPersian,the Greek and the Roman and this will be the antichrist's power.It is said that this empire will be Europe.America's super power is fading and it is passed to Europe.
A Modern Tower of Babel
There is a sign inside the European parliament saying '' we will finish what our father Nimrod (the founder of Babel) started ''.

Remember that to understand true prophecy, every detail must fit.

Dan 2:41-44
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
(KJV)

The final form of worldy governments will be unstable and weak. There will be no unity, only continual squabbling until Jesus returns at that time and sets up the Kingdom of God on Earth in a visible, literal sense.

I believe that there will be a world-wide time of great tribulation, but there will not be a one-world government until Jesus Christ sets one up.

Man's effort at the Tower of Babel was doomed, and man's vision for a one-world government in opposition to God is likewise doomed.

Anthony Hillyer · Feb 2, 2010, 11:57 AM

Revelations was a coded letter to the Christians at the time, referring to Nero (666) and Rome (The great prostitute). Rome would have seen like a one world government. It is heavily symbolic and Christians waste a massive amount of time mucking around with it when they should be helping the poor.

“No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father” (Mark 13:32).

galveston · Feb 6, 2010, 06:26 PM

As far as I know, Revelation is the only book with a promise given for the reading of it.

So we're not exactly "mucking around", but, yes, The Father is the only one who knows the exact time.

Rev 1:3
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
(KJV)

Even without attempting to set any date there are still many things to be learned from the Book of Revelation.

classyT · Feb 12, 2010, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

According to the The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster there is no such thing as as a one world government. It is preached that as long as The Eight "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts" are followed we can all live together with our differences.

RAmen.

NK,

According to the Bible there will be a one world government.. and people can scoff and make fun... cough cough... but it will come to past. The Bible says it will. Where was the Nation of Israel for almost 2000 years after Christ died? I think that Spaghetti Monster was preaching THAT wouldn't happen either... but it did. And you may take it as a "big deal".. but it IS a big deal. In fact it is UNHEARD of. The Bible said in the last days that the Jews would return to their land and... they have. Coincidence? Ha ha ha... yeah right.

NeedKarma · Feb 13, 2010, 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by classyT

The Bible said in the last days that the Jews would return to their land and....they have.

There are more jews in the US than in Israel. Is the US "their" land?

classyT · Feb 13, 2010, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

There are more jews in the US than in Israel. Is the US "their" land?

NK... you have missed the point entirely. Israel IS a nation after not being one for almost 2000 years. The Bible never said every single Jew would be back in the Land. But incidentally... they ARE still returning. THIS was predicted in the Bible... that is my point. Everything is going to happen like the Bible says... so tell your sgetti monster to hang on tight... It isn't a matter of WILL there be a one world government... it is a matter of WHEN is it going to happen. I believe sooner than many think.

paraclete · Feb 13, 2010, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

There are more jews in the US than in Israel. Is the US "their" land?

It seems some think the US is the promised land but it turns out it was merely a land of promise. Like much of history the Jews wound up in the US because they were not wanted in other places, no inference can be drawn from this.

The reestablishment of Israel cleary fulfills Bible prophesy and so we await the rest of the events prophesied which include one world government, war, catastrophies, return of Christ, etc, etc, etc

classyT · Feb 13, 2010, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

It seems some think the US is the promised land but it turns out it was merely a land of promise. Like much of history the Jews wound up in the US because they were not wanted in other places, no inference can be drawn from this.

the reestablishment of Israel cleary fulfills Bible prophesy and so we await the rest of the events prophesied which include one world government, war, catastrophies, return of Christ, etc, etc, etc

Paraclete...

:) exactly... Even the most skeptical should take a second look!